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Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

Hi David,

Will there be a complete kit of parts with smd chip already soldered?

Also, what is the maximum power for this ATU I ask because I have a Tentec Argosy which is 50W or 5W switchable

I also have a number of QCX qrp rigs 5W or less.

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I am mainly CW op so keydown would be higher than ssb average I recon.

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Cheers Mark G0NMY

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Re: Completed Build, But Odd Behaviour

 

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your reply.? I know what you mean about the switches... the package options I ordered resulted in me receiving two Tune switches.? Which was good, because one failed simply soldering regular wire on.? I barely gave it enough heat to get the solder to flow and it was dead when I tested.? It might have been dead before I soldered - didn't test in advance - but it was surely dead after one solder joint.? Not great quality for sure!

I sorted out my switch problem after sleeping on it.? The photos provided in the package shows the wires to the Tune switch reversed.? While wondering how both switches could have a problem, it occured to me that maybe the common point was wrong.? Checked my work this morning against the photos...nope, all good.? Dug out the schematic to confirm... NOPE!! :-)? The tiny board points are looking for ground, not?+5, so I swapped those connections around and the switches all work.

However, my radio is still reporting high SWR even when the tuner is indicating a match and showing L and C values.? And of course, the power reported by the tuner is still waaaay out of whack.? If this is the fault of the Shottky?diodes, I'll be interested to hear what your swap indicates.

So my original post can be edited to question the following now:
  • Power on the display is crazy-high... suggesting my 10 watts is actually over 100 watts.
  • Radio shows the same high full scale SWR as without the tuner in line... unless I set the TX power up to maybe 20 watts... then it seems that the clicking and snapping results in something the radio likes.? Kit was advertised to work below 5 watts and firmware is 3.20.
  • Transmitting on the same frequency after a match was found will sometimes result in the tuner trying to find a better result.? Sometimes it does, sometimes it ends up failing and the L and C values show as 0.
  • Switching bands from 30 (where the tuner apparently found a match) to 40m then hitting Tune with the Auto dot showing on the screen, results in no clicking but rather, an OVERLOAD message on the display.? When the RF stops flowing, it says TUNE and I can transmit again for a match.? I'm only seeing this on 40m so far.
  • When a match is found, the SWR indicated by the tuner might be 1.15:1, but the radio is reporting 1.75:1.? In some cases, the radio reports 'off the scale' while the tuner is indicating a good match.
  • On 17m, for some reason, putting 20 watts through the tuner results in a SWR of 0.00 with 0.00 watts...??
  • On 30m, I saw a match determined, but the SWR reported by the radio continued to rise if I continued to transmit (20w).? This suggests a thermal issue in an inductor perhaps?? 40m seems to do this too, but not as quickly or significantly.
I'm wondering how much of the above could be the result of using SO-239 connectors with unshielded wires to the board? And whether the wire I used for the single passes through the binocular transformer might be relevant?

The fun and games continue... that's why we do this, right???

73?

Brock VA7AV

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 7:34 AM K9NUD-Steve <k9nud@...> wrote:
I'm guessing you may have damaged the auto and bypass switches while soldering. I did exactly that with my auto switch. I used magnet wire for the ground bus and overheated to burn off the insulation. I was able to rescue it by reheating the sunken terminal and pulling it out of the switch somewhat, though I'm on the lookout for better quality switches. Try disconnecting the wires from the switches and shorting them to ground manually.?

Your SWR and power readings are probably off due to the inferior Shottky RF-sensing diodes. Mine is also off (Ali-Express, Hisonauto). I ordered some 1N5711 diodes from Mouser. I'll have them early this week and I will post an update.

The Ali listing for my tuner claimed that it would tune down to 1 W. It seems to do that just fine using my KX3. I did not do the binocular transformer mod and programming change.


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

Hi Glenn
P- power line for relays, short only after check everything go good soldering.
R - reset processor

The connector looks good.


Re: Completed Build, But Odd Behaviour

 

I'm guessing you may have damaged the auto and bypass switches while soldering. I did exactly that with my auto switch. I used magnet wire for the ground bus and overheated to burn off the insulation. I was able to rescue it by reheating the sunken terminal and pulling it out of the switch somewhat, though I'm on the lookout for better quality switches. Try disconnecting the wires from the switches and shorting them to ground manually.?

Your SWR and power readings are probably off due to the inferior Shottky RF-sensing diodes. Mine is also off (Ali-Express, Hisonauto). I ordered some 1N5711 diodes from Mouser. I'll have them early this week and I will post an update.

The Ali listing for my tuner claimed that it would tune down to 1 W. It seems to do that just fine using my KX3. I did not do the binocular transformer mod and programming change.


Completed Build, But Odd Behaviour

 

New to the group, hoping to get some advice to get my little tuner going.

What I have is the typical Aliexpress kit, preloaded with 3.2.? I ordered the version that supplies SO-239 connectors and the Auto and Bypass switches.

It went together reasonably well.? The only assembly details that might be of note are:

  • the Bypass and Auto connections to the bottom of the board were tough and I may have to revisit them.? Way too small for me to do confidently with a soldering iron. I ended up using two short lengths of the wire left over from the binocular transformer, with the ends cleaned up.
  • I was supplied with 8 electrolytic capacitors.? There's only space for 6, so I assume I got two extra in error.? I've seen nothing to suggest they belong somewhere else, like the bottom of the board.
  • No wires for connecting the SO-239 connectors were included.? I assumed that an inch or so of unshielded wire would be OK to make the connections to the board, rather than try to convince chunks of RG58 to do the contortions.? The connectors have short ground wires to the board as well.? I didn't run a wire between the two connectors, assuming that the board would do that.
  • I didn't put capacitors across the Auto and Bypass switches, something I've seen mentioned while looking for answers (none included - I'm assuming the extra electrolytic caps weren't intended for this purpose?)
  • I didn't use the center out of a piece of coax cable for the binocular transformer.? What I had was solid center conductor and kept breaking when I tried to bend it to the necessary shape.? I ended up using insulated stranded wire that *just* fit through the holes on the board.
It powers up.? The display shows Power, SWR, L and C as zeros.? There's a dot to the right of the power line to signify (I understand), Auto mode.? That all looks promising, but the behavior isn't.? I'm seeing a few things that don't seem right, which may or may not be connected.? In no particular order:

  • Auto and Bypass switches don't seem to do anything.
  • Powering up with the switches depressed doesn't seem to do anything.
  • Tune button works as I believe it should - reset with quick press, Tune with longer push.
  • When I put RF to the tuner, it makes all the snapping sounds one would expect, then shows an acceptable SWR on the display.
  • Power on the display is crazy-high... suggesting my 10 watts is actually over 100 watts.
  • Radio shows the same high SWR as without the tuner in line... unless I set the TX power up to maybe 20 watts... then it seems that the clicking and snapping results in something the radio likes.
  • The Auto dot indicator will switch to the underscore mark instead, after tuning is complete.? I can't get the dot back unless I power cycle the tuner.
  • Transmitting again, on the same frequency will sometimes result in the tuner trying to find a better result.? Sometimes it does, sometimes it ends up failing and the L and C values show as 0.
  • When a match is found, the SWR indicated by the tuner might be 1.15:1, but the radio is reporting 1.75:1.? In some cases, the radio reports 'off the scale' while the tuner is indicating a good match.
  • On 30m, I saw a match determined, but the SWR reported by the radio continued to rise with 20 watts continuing to the antenna.? This suggests a thermal issue in an inductor perhaps?

I'm at a loss as to what to try, where to look.? I suppose it's possible that there are a few issues at play here, so maybe the first place to check is at the Bypass and Auto connections on the bottom of the board.? I can feel the anxiety building though, just thinking about putting the iron to those spots again... ;-)

I spend some time looking for a procedure to follow to troubleshoot this tuner, but found nothing.

All suggestions appreciated!

73

Brock VA7AV


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 
Edited

Thanks David

Can you advise what the solder blob links marked as "P" and "R" are for?

I think I found the correct USB "C" connectors also, on ebay:-?


Glenn


On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 12:32 AM, David Fainitski wrote:
That's correct, BAT54S protecting diodes.


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

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But e aware that many eBay cheap BNC connectors are 75 ohm, not 50 ohm types and many other eBay offers do not have the impedance specified..

Bill, VK7MX

On 10/07/2021 11:43 am, David Fainitski wrote:

Hi people
The link on BNC connectors was added to BOM on Github


I never tried previuous connectors from Digikey, be carefull. The needed connectors should to have the pin pitch 6mm, other similar connectors have a different pitch.
Remember, you can use very cheap panel mounting connectors like this?


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

That's correct, BAT54S protecting diodes.


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 
Edited

All OK David.

My build is progressing, a few more toroids to wind, but waiting for the main PIC and FET drives.

Just wondering about the two SOT-23 devices near the TUNE button??? Is anything fitted there ?? EDIT?? new BOM shows BAT54S diodes.

Glenn


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

David, at one time QRP'ers used RCA connectors.

John
VE7KKQ


On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:43 PM David Fainitski <rolin791@...> wrote:
Hi people
The link on BNC connectors was added to BOM on Github


I never tried previuous connectors from Digikey, be carefull. The needed connectors should to have the pin pitch 6mm, other similar connectors have a different pitch.
Remember, you can use very cheap panel mounting connectors like this?


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

Hi people
The link on BNC connectors was added to BOM on Github


I never tried previuous connectors from Digikey, be carefull. The needed connectors should to have the pin pitch 6mm, other similar connectors have a different pitch.
Remember, you can use very cheap panel mounting connectors like this?


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

Hi, Scott
Thank you. I don't have a time to make a schematic, this tuner is not the main project for me.
If you could do that - please use Easy EDA CAD??
Unfortunatelly this Layout 6 project does not have any numerated components, so I can't to create a list.

Today I have received 16F1454 from Philippines, PIC16F18877 still on the way.


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

Hi, Glenn
Are you about pin 3 on the schematic ? You are right that is 4 pins connector, sorry for this missunderstanding.
Actually pin 3 just goes to short to ground when simple 3-pin jack is using and that is not weigh with work in this mode.
4-pins sockets are compartible with 3 pins Jacks,?
Put both theese Jacks close to each other and you will see how it works.
Sorry, I was sure that pin 3 is a "jack insertion detection pin" and nothing more. Actually it works exactly like this with using 3 pins mini jack.


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

David

If you scroll down the listing a little, you will see that there is a drawing of the pads and also two ''schematics" of the part. Both show thats its a 4 pin device.

Of course perhaps the vendor is actually selling normal stereo (3 pole) parts but taken on his own information, it "appears" at least to be 4 pole parts.

Glenn


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

First let me say that I think this is an awesome? project and thanks to?David Fainitski for creating it.

I understand that this project was done by directly creating a board layout without first creating schematics.
I think that's awesome but I'm old-school and I like reading schematics to help me understand a design.
If there is no objection, I'd be willing to work on entering a schematic for this project into a CAD system and share the result
Is it possible to generate a netlist from Sprint Layout 6.0?? (That would help in schematic verification).

73,
Scott? ?KJ7NLA

PS: I'm also interested in buying an ATU-10 once parts are available again.


Re: Max LC in test mode question

 

Thanks for?the?response and the link.? I suspected it might have something to do with that.??


On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:01 PM va3rr via <va3rr=[email protected]> wrote:
Howard - the tandem match is the reason for DC continuity.? The single turn primaries are in shunt with the 10 turn secondaries, which are connected to ground.

Here's a great link from Owen Duffy









Re: Max LC in test mode question

 

Howard - the tandem match is the reason for DC continuity. The single turn primaries are in shunt with the 10 turn secondaries, which are connected to ground.

Here's a great link from Owen Duffy


Re: Max LC in test mode question

 

I recently completed my ATU-100.? During the pre first power check I noticed that there is continuity?between the center conductor of the input and output pins and ground.? It powered up ok but haven't activated it yet with an antenna/rig.? Just curious why this is so.? It powered up fine but I am a little hesitant?to try it because of this.?

Thanks
73
Howard
VE3HBH

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:24 AM Carlos via <carlos_u=[email protected]> wrote:
I am using the OLED, step thru same as you did on the slow test, does the same adds until it reaches 399uH then halts.? Noticed the relays will get warm.?
Checked to see if the relays for L5 and L6 switched and they did not switch over on the step thru test.

I will check gate voltage for the MOSFET for L5 and L6 and compare to those that are switching over.
Enlarged a picture of the MCU and pins don't look shorted, I will need to "rig" some needles to the probes to check for x continuity of the MCU pins.

I re-flowed all solder joints except the MCU, but nothing changed.
Its a nice kit and prelim test with the TS480 shows good promise.? I will probably order another one as a field day giveaway.
Thanks
Carlos KE5DFK


Re: ATU-10 has been released

 

Glenn, where did you find any info about 4 pin connection by my link ??
I can't find it.


Re: EEPROM Changes for 16x2 Display

 

Hi, Mike
Don't forget to set the contrast up with potentiometer resistor in other way your display will not show a picture.