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Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

Larry, at least it is present
Should to work :)
Try turn USB connector over couple times. Windows should make a sound of connected device at least.


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

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David,?

I see a small chip with traces to the USB-C connector. See photo. Is this the one you asked about?

IMG_8264

73,
Larry

. That explains the typos.?

On Jul 4, 2024, at 15:48, David Fainitski via groups.io <rolin791@...> wrote:

?Larry, open your atu-10 up and watch what inside. Is there small chip close to USB connector?


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

Larry, open your atu-10 up and watch what inside. Is there small chip close to USB connector?


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

David,

I am trying to update my ATU-10 from 1.4 to 1.6.

When I plug the USB into my Windows laptop the ATU does not open up a window as a new drive. ?I have tried every USB-C cable I have including expensive ones with ferrite chokes.

I could not find any mention of necessary drivers to make this work either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

73,
Larry - W7LDT


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

Roger, it's adding an USB disk, mass storage device. When you copy a firmware into that, pic reprogramming happening.
For ATU-10 only, not for ATU 100.


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

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Thanks for your response. I¡¯m looking for a better cable with chokes.?

Larry

. That explains the typos.?

On Jul 1, 2024, at 08:22, RogerW/GW6HRU via groups.io <nospam23@...> wrote:

?Hi David,
Did the ATU-10 add USB hardware?? I thought it was just for power.

Roger.


Re: ATU-10 How to upgrade firmware? #ATU-10

 

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Thanks for the quick responses. Ha ha. I¡¯ve already gone though all my cable choices. I¡¯ll try a Win10 machine next.?
73, Larry

. That explains the typos.?

On Jul 1, 2024, at 08:38, Al Scanandoah via groups.io <k2znqrp@...> wrote:

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Larry

The ATU-10 should mount as a mass storage device (new drive) once you connect it. If it doesn't appear, you'll need to rectify that before you can reprogram the tuner.

As David suggested, try a different USB cable. Other things to try are using a different USB port or a different computer altogether.

Al. K2ZN

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:31 Larry Taylor via <W7ldt.az=[email protected]> wrote:
Dave,
I am trying to do the exact same FW update to my ATU-10.? I am confused by the discussion about connecting a programmer to do the upgrade.? The info I have received says to connect the ATU-10 to a computer with an appropriate USB cable (C to A in my case) and the computer opens a file manager window with the old firmware (1.4) displayed.? You save the file from GitHub to your desktop and simply drag it into the new folder and the update happens.

However, in my case, the computer doesn¡¯t respond to the ATU-10 be connected.? I¡¯m not sure if there is a driver I need to install.
73, Larry


Re: ATU-10 How to upgrade firmware? #ATU-10

 

Larry

The ATU-10 should mount as a mass storage device (new drive) once you connect it. If it doesn't appear, you'll need to rectify that before you can reprogram the tuner.

As David suggested, try a different USB cable. Other things to try are using a different USB port or a different computer altogether.

Al. K2ZN

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:31 Larry Taylor via <W7ldt.az=[email protected]> wrote:
Dave,
I am trying to do the exact same FW update to my ATU-10.? I am confused by the discussion about connecting a programmer to do the upgrade.? The info I have received says to connect the ATU-10 to a computer with an appropriate USB cable (C to A in my case) and the computer opens a file manager window with the old firmware (1.4) displayed.? You save the file from GitHub to your desktop and simply drag it into the new folder and the update happens.

However, in my case, the computer doesn¡¯t respond to the ATU-10 be connected.? I¡¯m not sure if there is a driver I need to install.
73, Larry


Re: #ATU-10 firmware 1.5 has been released #ATU-10

 

Hi, David,

I am new to ATU-10 FW Update procedures. ?I connect it to my Win 11 Surface PC and thing happens. ?Is there a driver I need to install for the PC to recognize the device?

It charges just fine fine.

73, Larry - W7LDT


Re: ATU-10 How to upgrade firmware? #ATU-10

 

Dave,
I am trying to do the exact same FW update to my ATU-10. ?I am confused by the discussion about connecting a programmer to do the upgrade. ?The info I have received says to connect the ATU-10 to a computer with an appropriate USB cable (C to A in my case) and the computer opens a file manager window with the old firmware (1.4) displayed. ?You save the file from GitHub to your desktop and simply drag it into the new folder and the update happens.

However, in my case, the computer doesn¡¯t respond to the ATU-10 be connected. ?I¡¯m not sure if there is a driver I need to install.
73, Larry


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

Hi David,
Did the ATU-10 add USB hardware?? I thought it was just for power.

Roger.


Re: ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

Hi. No driver needed. Try another better quality cable.?


ATU-10 Firmware Update

 

My ATU-10 charges just fine via USB-C.? However connecting the USB-C to my Windows 11 Surface does not open the new file manager window to allow FW updates. I am at FW Ver 1.4 and really want to update to 1.6.? I have the file on my desktop ready to go.

Am I missing a driver?? Do I need a USB cable with chokes on both ends?


Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Hi David? so much easier that you have drawn out the PCB Layout which is obviously correct because the board works.? But the Schematic? really was throwing me altogether.?
Funny you should add the footprint of the relay because I did exactly the same yesterday and I was trying to orientate the footprint to the board and then got even more confused thinking of course that the Schematic was correct but clearly it is NOT.? Thanks again.
Of course the reason for me being so particular is for servicing the unit
If faults occur and then you definitely require a Pucker Perfect known correct schematic? kind Regards David? G4RVH


Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Thanks also go to you Roger for your valuable input as well.? Kind Regards David G4RVH


Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Oh WOW thanks to Dave and Paulo,? a very big thank yous to both of you and very appreciated help.? You have both cleared up my head with the diagrams and your explanations and so thrilled of your valid help believe me.??
What a powerful group to be part of for help.? So kind.
Infact over the last 40 years built my own complete homebrew station here which like yourselves has been a labour of love in electronics.? I am 77 years old but still love playing with electronics and no joking just having fun building the ATU-100.? I've had power onto the board and the display works perfect with the boot up flash screen plus the Inductance and capacitance also got all of the SMD installed and all of the relays and 1uF plus all the back EMF Diodes installed so just the toroids and air coils to wind.? So not far off testing.? Can't be bothered in this heat but pleased the better weather has arrived? Kind Regards David? G4RVH


Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Hi David,


So am I correct in saying as per the manual that if you hold the Bypass and the Auto plus the Tune together it tests all of the relays? ??
- Yes, it wil vhech the DC path

?in other words I could quickly test with a volt meter across all of the coils of the relays that they are switched on proving all of the transistors.
- Yes you could. But it wont show if the relay contacts are really closure or opening



When you press the three buttons, on power up, it enables the Fast Test Mode: it simply test the DC path from transistors to relays coils, positive voltage and ground.


What was trying to say, is: the Fast Test mode doesn't assure you that the relays contacts are properly allowing the increments (or decrements) of inductance and capacitance, and also the L C (L first and C after) or C L ( C first and L later) configuration, that is what the ¡°search for best tuning¡± algorithm, could still fail due to bad closure or opening relay contact.


I had a failure on my unit, three months ago, the Fast Test Mode Went ok, but the unit was runing an infinite loop, never finishing the search algorithm.


The cause: a leaking drain to source current on a 2N7002.


Latter I¡¯ve also found a leaking diode (emf protection diode).


A simple multi-meter didn¡¯t show the failure, I¡¯ve used a 9V battery to check the reverse current on the diode and the drain to source current leak on the MOSFET.


A better way to properly test the unit is to set the unit to the simple Test Mode ( see bellow the text from the manual):



"When power is applied to the device with the Bypass and Auto buttons pressed,

the device enters the simple Test Mode. In this mode, you can manually, step by

step, use the Bypass and Auto buttons to change the value of capacitance or

inductance. A long press on the Tune button allows you to select which elements will

be moved at the moment, and a short press changes the point of connection of the

capacitor. In this mode, it is possible to measure input power and SWR in line. The

whole process is accompanied by a clear indication."


On this mode you can test, not only the coils but, also the relays contacts.

If you connect the output to a 50 ohms load and the input to a nanoVNA, you would be able to measure the capacitor values every step. And similarly, every inductance values.

I¡¯ve found the failure on my ATU100 using the Simple test Mode and the nanoVNA changes of impedance values.


An alternative method would be to manually adjust C values, L values and relay S8 contacts, to get the lowest SWR reading for different bands and different antennas or load values.


Best regards,


Paulo Bastos?? -? PY1JDX



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Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Hi Dave,
That looks about right. ?With power off, the relays short out all of the inductors, and open circuit all of the caps. ?So it's basically in bypass mode.

Roger


Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Hi David,
I understand the confusion. It looks like the PCB tracking for S1 to S7 is different from the schematic (although functionally the same). This may have been done to ease tracking or is PCB version specific.

I have tried to draw a simplified diagram showing the relay contacts, inductors and capacitors based on the schematic and PCB.
Enabling relays S1 to S7, enables inductors L1 to L7.
Enabling relays S9 to S15, enables capacitors C1 to C7.
Enabling relay S8 connects the capacitor bank to the ¡°OUT¡± port.

I have not shown the connections to the Stockton Bridge.
Hopefully, this will help a little.
73, Dave

From Schematic:


From PCB:



The footprint for the relay from the datasheet is shown attached.

Note: This shows the bottom view of the relay.


Re: Smart Lock Switch

 

Hi Dave.? To be honest looking at the Schematic with the populated PCB below does not make any sense at all with the 15 relays.??
The top 7 relays clearly show the contacts Normally CLOSED
The Bottom 7 relays show the contacts normally OPEN and in that position they are connect to nothing as shown with a red cross.
S8 relay is shown in the Normally CLOSED position so totally and utterly confused from that drawing.? Regards? Dave? G4RVH