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ATU Ticking Noise on receive.
HI all,
I'm in need of some advice please, I purchased an ATU 100 from Ali Express, I have had it for about 5 months, on the front, it has 1 green tune/reset button, a red on/off rocker switch and a USB C charger socket, it has an internal battery.? From the first day of use, it has a ticking sound that can be heard through the receiver only, it is present throughout most of the HF range, it is regular and does not change in frequency, the ATU100 unit itself, makes no audible clicking noise (except when tuning and you get the relays clicking), so the noise can only be heard through the receiver, apart from this, the ATU100 works very well. For months, I have thought it was local interference and didn't suspect the ATU100 whatsoever, the only thing I have had to do so far was replace the OLED display which went wrong, I do not use the ATU100 whilst it's charging as this also creates noise, since becoming more active on HF,? the clicking is becoming more of an issue when listening to weak signals, I have used a manual ATU to confirm that the clicking dissapears when not using the ATU100. Has anyone else experienced this problem and if so, how did you cure the problem?. Thank you for taking the time to read my post. 73 Pete |
Changing Torrid mix / size?
Hi,
While testing my frequency monitoring changes, I've been using FM (into a dummy load and a lightbulb, to reduce my noise on the air). On 6m/50MHz, it tunes the lightbulb to about 1:1.3 which is OK, but it's using L4 (the first of the toroid ones), and at about 10W (FM), it gets really hot (100C+). I guess it's one of the following: 1. It's a cheap from Chinese clone, and that toroid is duff. 2. I've cooked that toroid during testing and it's dead now 3. It's not rated to 50MHz, and that's causing a problem. I've got some T68-6 on order (-6 is rated to 55MHz vs 40MHz of the -2), so will replace the two single cored ones. But wondering if going to T80-6 or T130-2 or T130-6 might help if it's saturating. The -6 mix is only ur=8.5 not ur=10, so the windings change slightly (9.4/14 instead of 8.7/13), but shouldn't need any other changes. I'd like to run FM/FT8 at 30...40W so any of the others I should be upgrading? Thanks, Roger. |
Remote control.
Hi,
For remote control of the ATU-1000 I am trying communicates through it's I2C bus to grasp all the measurement data. I want to use an Arduino Uno acts as I2C slave and connect it to the Internet. Could the LCD screen current connection be used or would the firmware code have to be modified? Do you know if anyone has done this and posted the code? 73. |
Re: Computer simulation model for ATU-100 7 x7
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Looking at the schematics for various commercial tuners, the remote tuners (with a C-L-C Pi network) often include impedance and phase measuring hardware.
The first page of the schematics in shows the Fwd/Rev/Frequency/Impedance/Phase measuring circuitry. You mentioned in another post that the L/Rev-L tuners only have a single optimal point. I wonder if the C-L-C tuners have more than one point, and they somehow use the Impedance and Phase measurements, rather than just relying on Fwd/Rev->SWR. If you look at the SG-230 schematic, it has 8 inductor relay channels of 0.25u....20.8uH, 6 input caps of 100p...3200pF, 5 output caps of 12.5p...400pF, so 2^19 combinations ~ 500K, so 8x the ATU-100, so they can't search them all! Interestingly: The final two inductor channels, and output cap channels have 2 relays contacts in series, probably to improve the output circuit voltage handling. |
Re: Computer simulation model for ATU-100 7 x7
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Oops.
On reviewI see the formulas are really quite simple (once you ignore the complex math). Just a series impedance followed by a parallel impedance or a parallel impedance followed by a series. |
Re: Computer simulation model for ATU-100 7 x7
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Tom, I dont remember, but I did very small changes.
I have also different kinds of this for different L and C configuration. Cp-Ls-Cp, Cs-Lp_Cs, Lp-Cs-Lp, Ls-Cp-Ls, T-tuner |
Re: Hardware / software wish list
I'm currently counting the T1CLK pin for 1ms, then doing a div4, to average it out, this gives 16kHz steps. The frequency to memory lookup takes about 500 clks (so 250us).
This is done twice.? If these are the same, then I do a relay set, and an SWR voltage read/SWR calc. I'm planning on using two SWR targets, one is the good target, to store (maybe 1:1.3), the other an? OK target, to use (maybe 1:1.5). I'm using 14-bit program memory, with the top bits initialised to 1's.? When I store anything I clear the top bits, so these can be used to tell if there is a valid store value. In the future, I might use the top bits, to store the SWR.? We have 12-bits, so 8-bits for the SWR, would leave enough for other flags. So read the main memory, if that's got top bits set, then step -1 or +1, then -2 / +2 to find some settings.? If any are found, then the relay are set to the memory, and the SWR is read. If the SWR is Good, then it's used.? If it's OK, then it does a fine_tune() to try to improve things. If this gets it down to Good, then it stores it, if it gets it down to OK, then it's used. If there is no stored or if the SWR is above the OK level then we do a tune(), or Tom's tune2(), if the SWR is below the Good level, then the L/C/CSW get stored. I've put some more pictures, and the full schematic on by website: This includes my horrible soldering where I swapped the pin 11 and pin 23. Pin 11 is the T1CKI, is was the Cap SW relay, but I cut that connection, and used a wire from the 74AC14/74HC393. Pin 23 was the Bypass button, I #ifdef'd the code for the button, and used that pin for the Cap switch |
Re: Computer simulation model for ATU-100 7 x7
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David Fainitski,
Do you happen to remember where you found the original code from Alex?R2AUK. I've been looking all around and so far no luck. I found his github here??but so far no luck at finding his complex impedance formulas. Was this was a private communication perhaps? Trying to validate my test code. Thanks. |
Re: Hardware / software wish list
Very cool! ?Very promising results!
That sounds like it would be mostly just software at that point then! ?(Though I guess there¡¯s more to do there than I thought, you¡¯d probably want to not only load the saved value, but have logic to check that it¡¯s still low enough SWR in case the user changed antennas, and re-tune if needed¡ If we wanted to get real fancy, I guess a way to temporarily turn off the saved values, or clear them for when using another antenna at field day or something. ?But I guess that wouldn¡¯t add a lot and wouldn¡¯t be required. The real question is since it requires a small hardware mod, if we get it working and the improvement is indeed worth it, can we get the Chinese kit sellers to start selling new kits and pcbs with the new layout? ?Probably need to come up with a new name to differentiate it. ? Too bad atu100m is already used for a different mod, m=memory would be perfect! |
Re: Hardware / software wish list
I cross posted some of my results. I have some simple test code that just displays the frequency, it's timing in 16kHz steps. |
Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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I've got the basics working. ?Just doing spice sims to work out some component values. ?Basically the 74AC14 at the front end needs a 1V...4V signal. ?Over the whole frequency range, from 5W...100W.
my first guess worked to about 20MHz. ?This was using 16kHz resolution. |
Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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Oooo, the ATU100 has the capability of measuring frequency???
It sounds like it might take significant development work, but adding stored tuning information to make later tuning instant on the same antenna would definitely be a worthy feature¡ |
Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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Just been looking at the tune2.c, and seen the LRU list.
While looking at the LDG and MFJ relay patterns I see several repeats, given that the code tracks the best found so far, there seems no point in testing something that's already been tried. For the 7x7 + SW it's 15-bits = 32K combinations, but using 1 bit per (instead of a list that needs searching) that's 4K Bytes (so too much for the internal RAM). |
Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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Chris, my tuning algorithm isn¡¯t too different than the article you referenced, but I think you will find that the tuning algorithm in the article results in a lot more switches to find a solution. ?It is certainly thorough, but without a way to re-use tunes by frequency matching, it might not be an ideal trade off.
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Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCould be either.? I used the code in tune2.c to replace the tune() routine in the ATU100 3.2 firmware
On 20/02/2024 21:58, Glenn via
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Re: For ATU-100 *NEW Algorithmes versus* !!Testers needed!! s#atu-100
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIs the Github code pointed to for the ATU-100 or ATU-10? Seems to be? a conflict here, nATU-100
in the post and ATU-10 at Github. glenn |