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Flying Squadron of America speeches sept1914- june 1915 Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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File /Audio/PLBB_Panel_and_AAs_Future_2024.05.06 [TRM1].m4a uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /Audio/PLBB_Panel_and_AAs_Future_2024.05.06 [TRM1].m4a By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...> Description: I know this isn't exactly what we usually cover, but I doubt, since it has been approved, that anyone would think for a moment that the PLBB ("Plain Language Big Book") being approved would not be an historic event (pro or con) and something that is definitely making history (good or bad). I thought I might share this recording. Yesterday, Area 35 (Northern Minnesota) had a panel on the TWO topics of "PLBB" and "AA's Future". I am posting this here and NOT on the Facebook group because I believe that we might be able to have an honest discussion about not only how this may impact AA going forward, but (and here is why I think this qualifies for AAHL so I will put it in ALL CAPS): WHAT MIGHT A PLBB DO TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF AA HISTORY? MIGHT IT CHANGE HOW WE LOOK AT OUR OWN PAST? MIGHT IT CHANGE THE STATUS OF THE BIG BOOK BEING THE "CORE" OF THE AA PROGRAM? Any other questions relating to this impact on how we present, study and share AA history is what I am hoping for here. In short, I think that this academic/classic part of AAHL can have a decent conversation about this and keep it all on point. Of course, the usual moderation rules apply. Contact me if you think I have crossed an AAHL line here. I just might have and maybe I'll take this down later if I did. But I don't think we can ignore it. This is big. Real big. Traditions, Concepts, Warranties, all in play here. I am especially interested in WHAT PARTS OF AA HISTORY MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED (meaning, previous GSC Advisory Actions, etc.) THAT MAY HAVE PREVENTED THIS BOOK FROM BEING MADE IF THE GSB WOULD HAVE TAKEN HEED--OR EVEN MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR IT TO BE PRODUCED WELL BEFORE NOW? As researchers, authors, historians, archivists, history lovers and more, I think we owe it to the fellowship to be ready for this when it hits and have some sort of idea or understanding of its ramifications pertaining to our own history as we know it. Ok, let's see how this goes. I only ask that people who share on this, please listen to the recording first. It definitely heats up after the usual past delegate trying to get in before everyone else (which does happen here too haha). Okay, that's all I've got for now. Best, Thom R Moderator, AA HISTORY LOVERS
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VIDEO LINK: The Creation of Alcoholics Anonymous - True Historical Retelling | Witness To A Miracle (Documentary)
The Creation of Alcoholics Anonymous - True Historical Retelling | Witness To A Miracle (Documentary) (c)2024 Pembroke Productions - Posted to AAHL with permission and after a direct request from the creator. The original link to the video can be found here and you are welcome to share this link with anyone who may be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9DSVmAqVH4 In this Documentary interview, Mary Seiberling Huhn, daughter of Henrietta Seiberling, recalls in vivid detail the life events that lead her mother to introduce Bill Wilson to Dr. Bob Smith in the Stan Hywet’s Gate Lodge on May 12, 1935. As a result of this introduction and their meeting, Bill W. and Dr. Bob formed a lasting relationship and founded Alcoholics Anonymous. [Moderator comment: This is really something special. If you want to know more about Henrietta and Akron AA history, don't miss this! -Thom]
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Article: "What the Alcoholic Owes To Marty Mann"
Presented without comment. Published originally in the January 1963 issue of "Readers Digest". Out of Her Suffering Has Been Born a Network of Hope and Help for Thousands. by Floyd Miller In January 1963, Reader's Digest published a story by Floyd Miller titled "What the Alcoholic Owes to Marty Mann. Out of her suffering has been born a network of hope and help for thousands. The article is available at Silkwood.net, a website that provides historical writings, documents, letters, events, people, places and references through-out the history of Alcoholics Anonymous. An ashen-faced man in search of help made his way into a quiet office on New York's upper Fifth Avenue. He was an alcoholic, and he poured out his despairing story to a handsome woman in her 50's who sat behind a large desk. After a few moments he paused, spread his hands helplessly and said, "its difficult to make you understand how I feel." "Oh, but I know exactly how you feel, " she said. "I, too, am an alcoholic. I wouldn't be here if I hadn't gone through the valley of the shadow." The woman was Mrs. Marty Mann, executive director of the National Council on Alcoholism, a voluntary health organization she founded 18 years ago. A remorseless crusader against ignorance and prejudice concerning alcoholism, she has been largely responsible for the fact that the nation's attitude toward the "drunkard" is changing, that alcoholism is now recognized as a disease and that thousands of our five million alcoholics are today being successfully treated. (Only one drinker out of 15 or 16 develops alcoholism. Like an iceberg, the symptoms are below the surface at first; but the disease progresses relentlessly until the victim, once he takes a drink, stops only when he is too drunk to continue. It usually takes 10 to 15 years of drinking for a potential alcoholic to acquire the disease full-blown. If un-checked, it can end only in insanity or death.) On the lecture platform Marty Mann is electric. Her handsomeness is deepened by marks of suffering, and she summons up a power of purpose that transfixes her audience. Her husky voice speaks of reasoned facts, but with a spirituality that drives them hard into the hearts as well as the minds of those who hear. Once in Jacksonville a man awoke in a hotel room after a week of drinking, turned on the radio and heard Marty Mann speaking from New Orleans. "No alcoholic wants to be the way he is," she was saying. "Alcoholics are not bums. They are sick, and they can recover from this disease just as from others." The words penetrated the man's numbed brain, and for the first time he began to hope. He picked up the phone, called the radio station and asked to speak to the woman who had just broadcast. Marty not only talked with him; she put him in touch with someone in Jacksonville who could give him immediate help. Marty Mann can supply almost immediate help from coast to coast through NCA's network of affiliates operating Alcoholism Information Centers in 74 cities. Without charge and without humiliation, the alcoholic or his family can telephone or come to these centers for consultation and referral. Depending on the individual's condition and need, he is sent to a doctor, a hospital, a clinic or to Alcoholics Anonymous. Science now believes that two basic conditions must be present to make a person prey to alcoholism: an emotional vulnerability, and a body chemistry which makes him sensitive to the alcohol he consumes in an effort to ease his emotional stresses. Marty Mann's own case demonstrates these concepts with classic simplicity. Born to a wealthy Chicago family, she went to the best private schools. As a debutante she entered a world that was all champagne and caviar. In her set it was gay and smart to go to New Orleans for the Mardi Gras. On the spur of the moment she married a young man she met there; she was 22. A year later tuberculosis, with which she had had a bout as a child, flared up, and she went to a Western ranch for both recovery and divorce. Though she did not realize it until much later, her real descent
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First Edition Stories - “successes” and “failures”. Bill Wilson’s notes.
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Hello all, I recall reading a long time ago in the original AAHL group about a copy of the first edition which had Bill Wilson’s notes on successes and failures of the people whose stories were included in the first edition of Alcoholics Anonymous. I believe it noted three groups. Those that stayed sober. Those that drank again but eventually gained sobriety. Those that drank again and did not gain sobriety. I seem to recall reading that the book was kept at Bill and Lois’s home Stepping Stones. My question is has anyone here actually seen this book and does anyone have a photograph of the notes Bill made (and perhaps a transcription)?
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File /Documents - General/Gary Glenn Corporate Poverty - October 29, 1994 [AAHL].pdf uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /Documents - General/Gary Glenn Corporate Poverty - October 29, 1994 [AAHL].pdf By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...> Description: "Corporate Poverty" by Gary Glenn. October 29, 1994 -- I have been recently reminded of this gem. Reading is fundamental and I have a strong feeling that this is resurfacing... and that it has some teeth. Enjoy! -Thom R. AAHL Moderator
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Bill's Sibling(s)
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Hi all, As far as I know, Bill Wilson only had two sisters, Dorothy, and his half sister Helen. Is that correct? There is a line on the first page of Chapter 13 in "The Soul of Sponsorship" that is confusing: "On the topic: health. Bill wrote after the death of his sister that he was just backfrom the west coast and had brought his mother, who had suffered a stroke, home." I'm fairly certain that Dorothy and Helen both outlived Bill. Any help would be appreciated! -Mike Mike Margetis mfmargetis@...
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hindsfoot.org
I have a mirror of it and it's on my to do list to get as much of it back online as possible, as soon as possible. Best, Thom R. AAHL Moderator
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Happy 24th Anniversary AAHL!
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HAPPY 24TH ANNIVERSARY AA HISTORY LOVERS MARCH 16, 2000 - MARCH 16, 2024 'Happy 24th Anniversary to all history enthusiasts! March 16, 2000 - March 16, 2024.' NONE of this would have been possible without the INCREDIBLE community that has come together over all of these years and have contributed so much to help the history of AA (and much more) be as updated and as accurate as possible. NONE of this would have been possible without all of you. So, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY to US! Also, in case anyone was wondering about the moderator history, here it is (so far): -Nancy O. (Founder [2000]-2005) -Arthur S. (2005-2005) -Glenn C. (2005-2018) -Thom R. (2018-present) Thank you for letting me be of service. Thom R. AAHL Moderator --In memory of Bob S.--
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File /Documents - General/Our Southern Friend - Comparision between 1st and 2nd Edition of BB [AAHL].pdf uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /Documents - General/Our Southern Friend - Comparision between 1st and 2nd Edition of BB [AAHL].pdf By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...> Description: Comparison between the 1st and 2nd Edition versions of "Our Southern Friend" (John Henry "Fitz" Mayo's story in the Big Book).
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Slogan
Hello Thom, Thanks for all you do. I have enclosed a prior posting and some info I have found about the person mentioned. My question is does anyone know what issue of the Grapevine the picture or pictures were in? An archivist at GSO went through all the issues from 1954-1958 and didn’t find an article. I don’t know if they checked for photos. The digital access to past issues only has the articles and not pics or covers. Any help would be fantastic! Again, Thanks for all your work! Stay Safe !! Donald H. Virus-free.www.avast.com
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It is with great sadness that I must announce the passing of Bob S.
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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: IT IS WITH GREAT SADNESS that I have been informed of the following: ...that our good friend and contributor to AAHISTORYLOVERS, Bob S., passed this morning. The obituary will be posted on both platforms within a few days. From the e-mail I received: "Bob Stonebraker passed at 6:16 am today. We now need to just carry a simple message of the program of action. RIP Bob." I thank Bruce C. for bringing this to my attention this morning. I cannot say any more of substance at the moment because I am in shock. But I will say that many of Bob's incredible contributions on AA history topics are in the files section here (I tried to collect them all but he is so prolific that I'm not sure if we ever did get them all!). R.I.P. Bob S. More information to follow soon. Thom R. AAHL Moderator END OF ANNOUNCEMENT # # # P.S. NORMAL AAHL COMMENTING GUIDELINES ARE SUSPENDED FOR THIS POST. Personal comments ARE ENCOURAGED.
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First 164 pages
In 1995 at the General Service Conference the Conference Literature Committee recommended that: The first 164 pages of the Big Book Alcoholics Anonymous, the Preface, the Forwards, “ The Doctors Opinion”, “Doctor Bob’s Nightmare” and the Appendices remain as is. This was passed as an Advisory Action Virus-free.www.avast.com
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Question concerning the first section of the Big Book?
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Years ago, the General Service Conference voted that the First Section of the Big Book would never be changed. What year? I'll try and find out. Rick T. Illinois [Moderator edit: JUST removed the original message since this is a subject change (but DID leave the most important part of it). I did it for clarity going forward in this new branch. I also changed the topic to match the subject, so that replies land in the right place. -Thom R. AAHL Moderator] -------- Original message -------- --In memory of Bob S.--
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File /White and Research Papers, News and Magazine Articles and Timelines/Leadership that Is Quietly Changing the World.pdf uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /White and Research Papers, News and Magazine Articles and Timelines/Leadership that Is Quietly Changing the World.pdf By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...> Description: "Leadership that is Quietly Chaning the World" by Linda Chezem. - An excellent paper on servant leadership and AA. Uploaded to the AAHL archives with permission. -Thom
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File /Historical Recordings/The Last Ever Joe and Charlie - July 23-25 2004 NY, NY - AAHL.zip uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /Historical Recordings/The Last Ever Joe and Charlie - July 23-25 2004 NY, NY - AAHL.zip By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...> Description: AAHL Presents: The LAST EVER "Joe and Charlie" - This took place in New York, NY on July 23-25, 2004 and was the last time that (either) Joe + Charlie ever did a Big Book seminar together. Almost 13 hours of audio. 11 .m4a format files (once you unzip the archive) that should play on just about anything. Enjoy! -Thom R.
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Nancy O.
Would anyone know the source of Nancy O.s work on the biographies of the Big Book authors? Is Nancy still living? Nancy Karvonen Galt, CA [Moderator comment: Nancy passed away in 2005. She is the founder of AA History Buffs, name and platform later changed to AA History Lovers (platform changed again since to where we are now), and the only sources that I personally know of that she disclosed are or would be in that document itself or possibly in our archive. You can get a PDF which is searchable of some of our early messages including many from her in our file section. If anyone else has any more information on this obviously they will respond to this as well. I just wanted to give you at least that information. -Thom R. AAHL Moderator]
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Seeking #TheUpperRoom circa 1935-1945
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#TheUpperRoom
Since The Upper Room was so widely read by program pioneers, have searched high and low for period issues without success. Anyone have a link or idea for how to access? #TheUpperRoom
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File /White and Research Papers, News and Magazine Articles and Timelines/The Survival of a Fitting Quotation AAHL.pdf uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /White and Research Papers, News and Magazine Articles and Timelines/The Survival of a Fitting Quotation AAHL.pdf By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...> Description: This is the story of a famous quotation and the environments in which it has adapted and survived. To the 20th and 21st centuries, the story would seem to begin in the year 1939 when the book Alcoholics Anonymous was published. A contributing author of that text used a quotation to head his chapter. He attributed the quotation to a man named Herbert Spencer, presumably the 19th century British philosopher, evolutionist, and sociologist: “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." In this context, the author was trying to challenge “the mental attitudes of many alcoholics when the subject of religion, as a cure, is first brought to their attention.”2 In later editions of Alcoholics Anonymous (1955,1976, 2002(sic)), this author’s chapter was replaced, but the Spencer quotation is preserved in an appendix to encourage people to keep an open mind about the religious or spiritual remedy that Alcoholics Anonymous prescribes for its members. Since 1939, over twenty million copies of Alcoholics Anonymous have been printed, and with each copy, another copy of this quotation attributed to Herbert Spencer. The quotation has since been used by a variety of authors. A variation has even appeared in one dictionary of quotations. On the Internet, new variations multiply and mutate. By now, the quotation is famous, and has made the nearly forgotten Herbert Spencer famous in the 21st century for saying it. But Herbert Spencer never wrote or said anything resembling this quotation. ---- (This white paper is ?2005 Michael St. George (author is not an alcoholic so last name is okay) - Edition 1.0 - 12 March 2005 - ORIGINAL URL (no longer works): http://www.geocities.com/fitquotation/ - ARCHIVE URL (works as of February 2024): https://web.archive.org/web/20090125131318/http://www.geocities.com/fitquotation/ - ORIGINAL DOCUMENT EMAIL: fitquotation@... (We are not sure if the e-mail works anymore) -Thom R. AAHL Moderator
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Conferences
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Greetings, would anyone have the history of the conferences? Thanks in advance. Luis
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