Re: Quote from AA Service Manual Appendix A: ¡°A.A.¡¯S LEGACY OF SERVICE,¡± BILL W. (1951)
I would suggest the article written by Sister Ignatia about the process?? im
This is on page 102 of the current teal colored AA Service Manual regarding the work done at the hospitals by AA members in Akron and New York in the 1940's:
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¡°It was in these two hospitals and by these pioneering people that the best techniques of combined medicine and A.A. were worked out. Since proper hospitalization was, and still is, one of A.A.¡¯s greatest problems, the General Service Office has retailed this early hospital experience, along with the many subsequent developments and ramifications, to groups all over the world ...¡±
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Does anyone have any input on what Bill might mean by ¡°retailed this early hospital experience¡ to groups all over the world.¡± ?Is there an early pamphlet that gave information on the ¡°best techniques¡±? ?
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Re: Quote from AA Service Manual Appendix A: ¡°A.A.¡¯S LEGACY OF SERVICE,¡± BILL W. (1951)
Retailed - second definition from my copy of a 1936 Websters Collegiate - "to tell again or to tell many; relate in detail"
I found an old dictionary like mine to better understand Bill's word usage of his days?
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This is on page 102 of the current teal colored AA Service Manual regarding the work done at the hospitals by AA members in Akron and New York in the 1940's:
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¡°It was in these two hospitals and by these pioneering people that the best techniques of combined medicine and A.A. were worked out. Since proper hospitalization was, and still is, one of A.A.¡¯s greatest problems, the General Service Office has retailed
this early hospital experience, along with the many subsequent developments and ramifications, to groups all over the world ...¡±
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Does anyone have any input on what Bill might mean by ¡°retailed this early hospital experience¡ to groups all over the world.¡± ?Is there an early pamphlet that gave information on the ¡°best techniques¡±? ?
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Re: Quote from AA Service Manual Appendix A: ¡°A.A.¡¯S LEGACY OF SERVICE,¡± BILL W. (1951)
Would this definition of 'Retailing' add any clarity?
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relate or repeat (a story) in detail.
"his inimitable way of retailing a diverting anecdote"
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Bill Did tell stories and experience over and over again!?
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Re: Quote from AA Service Manual Appendix A: ¡°A.A.¡¯S LEGACY OF SERVICE,¡± BILL W. (1951)
Probably the reason Bill W. "retailed" the hospitalization route was because that was the only way to get 'newcomers.'. At that time, he didn't have computers, AA meetings, TV or smart phones...just hospitals. Especially when Sister Ignatia called.? Today is a different time.
-Patrick Murphy Cedar Rapids, Ia.
From: "David Graeff via groups.io" <dgraeff@...> To: [email protected]Sent: Monday, April 21, 2025 10:40:40 PM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Quote from AA Service Manual Appendix A: ¡°A.A.¡¯S LEGACY OF SERVICE,¡± BILL W. (1951) This is on page 102 of the current teal colored AA Service Manual regarding the work done at the hospitals by AA members in Akron and New York in the 1940's:
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¡°It was in these two hospitals and by these pioneering people that the best techniques of combined medicine and A.A. were worked out. Since proper hospitalization was, and still is, one of A.A.¡¯s greatest problems, the General Service Office has retailed this early hospital experience, along with the many subsequent developments and ramifications, to groups all over the world ...¡±
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Does anyone have any input on what Bill might mean by ¡°retailed this early hospital experience¡ to groups all over the world.¡± ?Is there an early pamphlet that gave information on the ¡°best techniques¡±? ?
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Quote from AA Service Manual Appendix A: ¡°A.A.¡¯S LEGACY OF SERVICE,¡± BILL W. (1951)
This is on page 102 of the current teal colored AA Service Manual regarding the work done at the hospitals by AA members in Akron and New York in the 1940's:
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¡°It was in these two hospitals and by these pioneering people that the best techniques of combined medicine and A.A. were worked out. Since proper hospitalization was, and still is, one of A.A.¡¯s greatest problems, the General Service Office has retailed this early hospital experience, along with the many subsequent developments and ramifications, to groups all over the world ...¡±
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Does anyone have any input on what Bill might mean by ¡°retailed this early hospital experience¡ to groups all over the world.¡± ?Is there an early pamphlet that gave information on the ¡°best techniques¡±? ?
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Re: The Empty Jug, July 1946
I saw a copy of it on ebay, but it looks like the auction ended in January. Not sure if it was actually bid on and sold or just removed from auction.? I sent an inquiry to the seller. it was listed for $799.99.
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Re: The Empty Jug, July 1946
Brian,
Just back from Texas. Thank you for your concern. It's been long enough for me not to remember my original request. Duh. Can you refresh my memory?
Gary
On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 09:46:09 PM EDT, Brian via groups.io <gr8ful1986@...> wrote:
Gary, did you ever get any response to your request?
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Re: The Empty Jug, July 1946
Gary, did you ever get any response to your request?
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A quote attributed to Clarence Snyder: "Never say 'No' to A.A."
Where is it?? It's not apocryphal.? I saw it once but didn't make a note of the source.?
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Re: Unspiritual short version of our Traditions
Hello 1)?There is a GREAT LETTER IN THE STEPPING STONES ONLINE ARCHIVES THAT CAN'T BE PUBLISHED HERE BUT YOU CAN FIND IT BY REGISTERING AND SEARCHING THOSE ARCHIVES HERE:? And once registered, SPECIFICALLY AT this link In a handwritten note to Dr. Bob on June 17, 1949, Bill talked about ¡°shortening¡± the
original form of the Traditions... 2) Also--not a letter but a talk "One day he came down to Bedford Hills after the long form of the Traditions were written out at some length, because in the office we were forever having to answer questions about Group troubles, so the original Traditions were longer and covered more possibilities of trouble. Earl looked at me rather quizzically and he said ¡°Bill, don¡¯t you get it through your thick head that these drunks do not like to read. They will listen for a while but they will not read anything. Now, you want to capsule these Traditions as simply as are the Twelve Steps to Recovery.¡± So he and I started the capsulizing process, which lasted a day or two and that put the Traditions into their present (short) form." Read all of the talk here: (Transcribed from tape. Chicago, IL, February 1951)??
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Hello all,
?I seem to remember a letter Bill wrote where he describes when he and Earl came up with the short version of the traditions during a weekend at stepping stones. I may have heard this during a history presentation or, I saw it on here. Any clues would be appreciated.
?Thanks,
?Will
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Re: Looking for source of a Bill W. quote
A big greeting from SJR Queretaro Mexico, as always it is a pleasure to read your and your interesting answers, thank you all.
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Unspiritual short version of our Traditions
Hello all,
?I seem to remember a letter Bill wrote where he describes when he and Earl came up with the short version of the traditions during a weekend at stepping stones. I may have heard this during a history presentation or, I saw it on here. Any clues would be appreciated.
?Thanks,
?Will
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Looking for source of a Bill W. quote
On p. 322 of Pass It On, Bill W. is quoted as saying, "My personal life may not be exemplary, but I have never made a mistake about A.A." No sources are listed in the back of the book for anything on that page.
Does anyone know where and/or when Bill said or wrote this?
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In love & service,
Hugh Hyatt
????+1 267.992.1297? (?voice, text, ?Duo, Signal)
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?¡°The first concern of AA members should be with problem drinkers the movement is still unable to reach.¡± ¨DBill W., 1965 International Convention
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Looking for source of a Bill W. quote
On p. 322 of Pass It On, Bill W. is quoted as saying, "My personal life may not be exemplary, but I have never made a mistake about A.A." No sources are listed in the back of the book for anything on that page.
Does anyone know where and/or when Bill said or wrote this?
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In love & service,
Hugh Hyatt
????+1 267.992.1297? (?voice, text, ?Duo, Signal)
??? mailto:hugh.hyatt+AAHL@...
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?¡°The first concern of AA members should be with problem drinkers the movement is still unable to reach.¡± ¨DBill W., 1965 International Convention
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File /Pre-AA History/TheEightPointsOfTheOxfordGroup.pdf uploaded
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...>
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The Eight Points of the Oxford Group by C. Irving Benson - Oxford University Press, 1938 reprint
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File /Temperance Movements/Temperance Pamphlets Collection.pdf uploaded
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A TEMPERANCE PAMPHLETS collection in PDF. A huge (over 400 page) collection of various historical temperance movement pamphlets.
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I'm seeking information about the origins/practices of the following self-assessment.
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These questions were developed by Dr. Robert V. Seliger (Johns Hopkins Hospital).? How did they get into A.A.?? How have they been used?? Is it commonly used today?
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It is of interest to me that the 20 Questions are on the San Fernando Valley Central Office website because this is where Narcotics Anonymous originated.? And NA's first booklet (1954) includes an adaptation of these questions.
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Thanks,
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Chris
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Re: File /Articles/Confession_of_an_AA_History_Buff.pdf uploaded
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A big greeting from Mexico, thanks for your articles, as always, very interesting.
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Re: File /Articles/Confession_of_an_AA_History_Buff.pdf uploaded
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Yes looks like the wrong date, probably a typo. I'll see what I can do about fixing that and getting a fixed version uploaded as soon as I can.?
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Thom
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Re: File /Articles/Confession_of_an_AA_History_Buff.pdf uploaded
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2006. Here's a link with the citation.
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https://www.chestnut.org/resources/bc978587-ce45-4feb-88ff-aedb528a2bc5/2006-Confessions-of-an-AA-History-Buff.pdf
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