Re: Henry G. Parkhurst Wikipedia entry
I think it's a great idea. Please let me know what I can do to help.
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Re: Richard Peabody's death certificate?
Thank you very much. I assumed if he died in NYC that is where the death certificate would be so that is where I looked.?
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Re: Richard Peabody's death certificate?
Richard Roger Peabody
Obituary, Boston Globe, April 27, 1936
Place of Death: Londonderry, Vermont
Death Record, Vermont
Chronic alcoholism cited as third cause of death. However, this doesn't mean he died drunk.?
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Re: Richard Peabody's death certificate?
I'll give it a shot if we know a few biographical details, approximates are ok.?
Date of death?
Date of birth
Place of death
Spouse?
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Re: Richard Peabody's death certificate?
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Re: History of "Automatic writing"
I recall reading something by the Rev. Sam Shoemaker either in one of his books that are now in the public domain or in
Courage To Change: The Christian Roots of the Twelve-Step Movement by Bill Pittman which gave me the impression that he too practiced a form of automatic writing. At least he did follow the practice of keeping an open pad or notebook at hand to write down what came to him during meditation and I believe that included words that sprang effortlessly to mind.
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Richard Peabody's death certificate?
Anybody know how to get a death certificate from New York State if you aren't a family member? Seems you have to be a family member.?
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They have to delete faces and last names first (anonymize) the video first. Patience brother. Go to Stepping Stones website. Call ‘em. Ask ‘em when it will be up. Make a donation maybe. Barry Best RegardsBarry Murtaugh 773.851.2100 mobile
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On Sep 22, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Chaz C <cccinhk@...> wrote:
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I don’t find the Hank Parkhurst talk from 9/20 linked (yet?) at Stepping Stones.
He is on my list
Bob Hickey
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Henry G. Parkhurst Wikipedia entry
As Bill Schaberg points out Hank does not have a Wikipedia entry. Questions for the Group:
- Have there been attempts to make one by anyone in this group?
- If so, what challenges were encountered?
- Is there interest within the group in collaborating on creating one?
Potential Acceptable References
- It seems that Bill Schaberg's book provides us with plenty of reliably researched material in a published work that can be cited and footnoted.?
- A quick search of the web shows that there are a number of webpages that are likely to be acceptable.
- The Big Book itself could also be referenced for some statements,
The Wikipedia Process
- Is complicated, fair, detailed, sometimes seemingly arbitrary and open to anyone who wishes to engage in it.
- Requires patience, engagement with the Wikipedia community's policy and procedures.
- Is made easier by Wikipedia templates and help pages.
- Is more difficult for new entries than for minor edits.
- Often requires multiple attempts and revisions.
- Like most things it is learned by action rather than by speculation.
Perhaps the group conscience has decided not to engage in such out of group projects. I do believe that adding an entry on the Hank would be of service to "others" [ref Step 12 prior to last minute editing], to sober members of Alcoholics Anonymous and to members of the greater 12 Step community who follow the map laid out in the Big Book to recover.
What do you think? Does it interest you?
9/23/2020 Edit: There seems to be interest in compiling a Wiki entry of some sort on Hank. Thom R has opened up the Google wiki function. I have started an entry in the AAHistoryLovers Wiki..
The History Lover's Wiki could serve as a central place to compile facts about his life.
I believe any member can add to that AAHistoryLovers Wiki article.
I propose we begin adding facts that you think ought to be included in any article along with citations. There's no need to put together a narrative or compose the actual article at this point imo. At this moment I have added his birth and death dates along with the website where I have found
Keep in mind that if the article is submitted to Wikipedia itself, the volunteer gatekeepers who may or may not have any interest in AA will have to be convinced that he is a notable person worthy of inclusion. It would be helpful to think about why he is notable.(and not just within AA or the 12 Step community at large)? and to include citations that back that up. We may have to walk them down the path somewhat ie: Such and such states that the AA Big Book is one of the most influential books of the 20th century. Schaberg states without Hank there would be no AA Big Book. He influenced the content of the book in such and such ways and according to such and such a source these ideas (for example God as I understand him) were critical to the success of the AA program of recovery. About citations:
- The citations do not need to be perfect but they ought to allow someone else to find the source and create a proper reference when the time comes.
- Wikipedia editors accept citations from many but not all websites. I know from experience that they do not like IMDb as a source for example.
- An article having citations only from one source is generally frowned upon. We know that Bill Schaberg's research is reliable but if he documents the source of his information it may be better to cite that source rather than the book though certainly Writing the Big Book should be an acceptable reference.
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He is on my list
Bob Hickey
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Bill Schaberg in "Writing the Big Book" presents?exhaustive Hank Parkhurst primary source document citations, most of them from Stepping Stones. AA archives have little or none. Bill gave an excellent Zoom session Sunday sponsored by Stepping?Stones and available on Stepping Stones website I?understand. Bill badly wants someone?to write the BOOK on Hank, but he is out of gas to do it himself. My suggestion is talk to Bill Schaberg. Best Regards, Barry Murtaugh 773-851-2100
I'm doing a workshop on Hank next year and i'm doing research. If anyone has any information that would help please send it to me. Thanks, Bob Hickey
-- Best Regards,
J.Barry Murtaugh
Court Maroon, Ltd.
773-851-2100
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Re: History of "Automatic writing"
Brian asked: Do you have a PDF for this? ? Yes, it is attached. ? Bob S ? Robert Stonebraker 212 SW 18th Street Richmond, In? 47374 (765) 935-0130 ** ? ? ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:44 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] History of "Automatic writing" ? Bob S Do you have a PDF of this? I love the concept! Cheers Sent while mobile. Please excuse any typos! ? Dear Editor, ? The attached PDF file my not fit into the parameters of this group’s guidelines. If not I have also attached the graphic—only that may be appropriate instead.? Thanks. ?? ? Although the Big Book doesn’t mention spontaneous, or automatic writing, the idea has been around the periphery of the fellowship since the beginning. Many of us have read the popular TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY book. Well, the middle-meditation-section of each page comes from, in a loose manner, an Oxford Group ?writing titled GOD CALLING, by AJ Russell. This was inspired from two ladies from England, who wished to remain anonymous—they prayed to God, then wrote their answers on paper. ? Another example can be found on page 198 of PASS IT ON where it describes how Bill was changing the six steps into twelve: ??“ As he started to write he asked for guidance. And he relaxed. The words began tumbling out at an amazing speed. He completed the first draft in about a half hour.” ? Bob S ?
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[Moderator's note: It's about our History (or about something leading up to it). Why would it not be appropriate? :) THANK YOU for your contributions, always! --Thom]
<Spontaneous Writing on Step Four .pdf> <OG automatic writing.jpg>
-- Bob S
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Thanks! I would appreciate that.? Bob S ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of murphyjb89@... Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:25 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Hank Parkhurst ? Hey Bob. I would love to attend this workshop. Hank Parkhurst definitely needs more research done on him. He is the forgotten hero of AA. If I dig up anything I will surely send it to you.? John Murphy, Saline MI -- Bob S
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Hey Bob. I would love to attend this workshop. Hank Parkhurst definitely needs more research done on him. He is the forgotten hero of AA. If I dig up anything I will surely send it to you.? John Murphy, Saline MI
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Re: File /Historical and Local Pamphlets/p-6 Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.(retired pamphlet).pdf uploaded
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I wasn't aware that it was "retired". Just last year, I gave this pamphlet to my primary care physician, hoping to enlighten her. She always asks about alcoholism during my visits, I think just trying to learn about it.?
As an RN, I see a lot of opportunities to use this pamphlet to help educate people in the medical field.?
I'm sad to learn that it has been retired.? I will definitely hang on to the only other copy I have!
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Re: History of "Automatic writing"
Bob S Do you have a PDF of this? I love the concept! Cheers Brian? 801-403-8789
Sent while mobile. Please excuse any typos!
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On Sep 20, 2020, at 13:50, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:
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Dear Editor,
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The attached PDF file my not fit into the parameters of this group’s guidelines. If not I have also attached the graphic—only that may be appropriate instead.? Thanks.
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Although the Big Book doesn’t mention spontaneous, or automatic writing, the idea has been around the periphery of the fellowship since the beginning. Many of us have read the popular TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY book. Well, the middle-meditation-section of each page comes from, in a loose manner, an Oxford Group ?writing titled GOD CALLING, by AJ Russell. This was inspired from two ladies from England, who wished to remain anonymous—they prayed to God, then wrote their answers on paper.
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Another example can be found on page 198 of PASS IT ON where it describes how Bill was changing the six steps into twelve: ??“ As he started to write he asked for guidance. And he relaxed. The words began tumbling out at an amazing speed. He completed the first draft in about a half hour.”
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Bob S
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-- Bob S [Moderator's note: It's about our History (or about something leading up to it). Why would it not be appropriate? :) THANK YOU for your contributions, always! --Thom]
<Spontaneous Writing on Step Four .pdf> <OG automatic writing.jpg>
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Re: History of "Automatic writing"
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On Sunday, September 20, 2020, 2:50 PM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:
Dear Editor,
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The attached PDF file my not fit into the parameters of this group’s guidelines. If not I have also attached the graphic—only that may be appropriate instead.? Thanks.
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Although the Big Book doesn’t mention spontaneous, or automatic writing, the idea has been around the periphery of the fellowship since the beginning. Many of us have read the popular TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY book. Well, the middle-meditation-section of each page comes from, in a loose manner, an Oxford Group ?writing titled GOD CALLING, by AJ Russell. This was inspired from two ladies from England, who wished to remain anonymous—they prayed to God, then wrote their answers on paper.
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Another example can be found on page 198 of PASS IT ON where it describes how Bill was changing the six steps into twelve: ??“ As he started to write he asked for guidance. And he relaxed. The words began tumbling out at an amazing speed. He completed the first draft in about a half hour.”
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Bob S
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-- Bob S [Moderator's note: It's about our History (or about something leading up to it). Why would it not be appropriate? :) THANK YOU for your contributions, always! --Thom]
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Re: History of "Automatic writing"
Just doing some research on a related subject so that's really interesting. Thank you. JS
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From: "Bob S" <rstonebraker212@...>
To: "AA History Lovers Group" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 20 Sep, 20 At 21:43
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] History of "Automatic writing"
Dear Editor, The attached PDF file my not fit into the parameters of this group’s guidelines. If not I have also attached the graphic—only that may be appropriate instead. Thanks. Although the Big Book doesn’t mention spontaneous, or automatic writing, the idea has been around the periphery of the fellowship since the beginning. Many of us have read the popular TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY book. Well, the middle-meditation-section of each page comes from, in a loose manner, an Oxford Group writing titled GOD CALLING, by AJ Russell. This was inspired from two ladies from England, who wished to remain anonymous—they prayed to God, then wrote their answers on paper. Another example can be found on page 198 of PASS IT ON where it describes how Bill was changing the six steps into twelve: “ As he started to write he asked for guidance. And he relaxed. The words began tumbling out at an amazing speed. He completed the first draft in about a half hour.” Bob S
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Bob S
[Moderator's note: It's about our History (or about something leading up to it). Why would it not be appropriate? :) THANK YOU for your contributions, always! --Thom]
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Re: File /Historical and Local Pamphlets/p-6 Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.(retired pamphlet).pdf uploaded
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On Sunday, September 20, 2020, 3:09 PM, Alcoholicos Anonimos via groups.io <area_queretaro@...> wrote: Good morning everyone, I hope you are very well.
I am a reader of you (although I do not speak English, I use a translator), I greet you from San Juan del Rio, Queretaro, Mexico.
Keep up the good guys.
Thanks for your job. Regards
Luis Tomas
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