Re: AA History from Bob S

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Thank you, this is exciting! My next question would be, would we be able to host the complete (and ongoing) set here? If, for example, you sent me all of them in whatever individual format you have them in, I'm guessing probably PDF but I can deal with anything, I would create a folder in our file section with your name on it and we could just keep them all there for people to browse, download and learn from.

Whenever you publish a new one simply posted to the regular AHL and I'll make sure that the PDF gets added to the files section as well.?

This is truly brilliant work and I would love to do this for everyone.?

Would that work for you or do you have some other idea? Of course I'm open to any suggestions on whatever is convenient and comfortable for you.

Thank you!?

Best,?

Thom R.

Re: AA Manual excerpts

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" 'Shoemaker, stick to thy last'.? Better to do one thing supremely well, than many things poorly."? AA12+12

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I have attached excerpts and commentary from a 1940s pamphlet: “A manual for Alcoholics Anonymous.”
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Re: AA History from Bob S

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Yes Thom, do as you like.

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I have been sending these “Monthly Articles” to Intergroup newsletters around the country for some years now. Often about the Steps, but as you can see, AA history as well.? The more readers the better—in our history lies our hope!

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212 SW 18^th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Thom R.
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 11:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] AA History from Bob S

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This is simply incredible, Bob! If you are ever willing to allow us to host the entire lot of them, I would love to put them in our file base. In fact, I'd be willing to give you your own section.

Best,

Thom R.

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Re: AA History from Bob S

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This is simply incredible, Bob! If you are ever willing to allow us to host the entire lot of them, I would love to put them in our file base. In fact, I'd be willing to give you your own section.

Best,

Thom R.

Re: AA History from Bob S

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Thank you.

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On Sunday, June 7, 2020, 8:18 PM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

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I have attached twenty AA history articles selected from my “monthly articles” composed over these last years.? Of course, one must consider contrasting AA history revelations ?from several recent AA history books—AA history is not written in stone.
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One mistake: ?I wrote was that Ebby ran his Packard into the side of a house. NO! It crashed through the kitchen wall and almost hit the stove inside. Please find other mistakes and let me know. Thanks.
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212 SW 18^th Street
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AA History from Bob S

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I have attached twenty AA history articles selected from my “monthly articles” composed over these last years.? Of course, one must consider contrasting AA history revelations ?from several recent AA history books—AA history is not written in stone.

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Bob S

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One mistake: ?I wrote was that Ebby ran his Packard into the side of a house. NO! It crashed through the kitchen wall and almost hit the stove inside. Please find other mistakes and let me know. Thanks.

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18^th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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20 AA Hist. articles by Bob S.pdf

Henrietta Seiberling

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Hi all,

Is there any evidence that Henrietta Seiberling was ever a patient of Dr. Bob's? Did they know each other before their Oxford Group connection at the Thursday West Hills OG meeting?

Thanks so much,
-Mike

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Bill's Story: major changes

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Eighty-two years ago Bill Wilson had begun writing the pre-manuscript drafts for our Big Book which included “Bill’s Story.”? ?The many changes that followed are illustrated here in the two attachments and the following manuscript link. I think you will find the comparison[s] of interest.? It is notable how timing and placing of certain events has been altered as the changes progressed.? ?

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The attached first and second Pre-Manuscript drafts of “Bill’s Story” were written during the late spring of 1938. Please ignore notification that Joe Worden did edited the second draft—this was only a possibility. These writings took place about six months before the MANUSCRIPT version was written in December of ?that year. ???

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This link includes the December 1938 MANUSCRIPT copy of “Bill’s Story:” ????

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Although many changes were made at this point (December 1938), more changes ware also made during the early months of 1939 when ?Tom Uzzell , Dr. Howard and probably others, including Hank Parkhurst, provided further editing “Bill’s Story,” as it now exists, in the first printing of the Big Book.

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Bob S.

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18^th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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Bill's Story first draft.pdf

Bills Story second draft.pdf

1995 International Convention (San Diego)

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Does anyone out there happen to have any recordings from this particular convention? If so, PLEASE contact me or reply here.

Thank you!

Best,

Thom R.

Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

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Glenn you want me to call Mike and ask him recoveryspeakers.co

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Glenn Krainz <gkrainz@...>

Date: 6/3/20 10:46 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Special Event coming up on #zoom

Thom,

Do you know if Recoveryspeakers.com will be recording these talks for uploading to their website?

Yours in fellowship,

Glenn K

Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

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I do not know but if somebody wants to go over there and email and ask them and gets an answer, please post it here. If I find time I will also try. :)

Best,?

Thom

Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

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Thom,

Do you know if Recoveryspeakers.com will be recording these talks for uploading to their website?

Yours in fellowship,

Glenn K

Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

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Any one have zoom info or did I miss it the ID the Password John S 5-22-92

[Moderator edit: it is on the attached flyer on the original post (OP) -Thom]

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Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Special Event coming uu on #zoom

Thanks Thom
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agreed. I won't miss them either! See you there.?

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:52 AM Thom R. <thombone@...> wrote:

On June 5 and June 12th (both days), William Schaberg, author of the book "Writing the Big Book: will be speaking!?

Personally, I am not going to miss this for the world and maybe some of us can "meet" at this zoom event! I plan to make my name look like this:

Thom R. 02-10-92

As a way to show that I am from here but also to let people know that AAHL exists here. I think it might be fun if anyone else wanted to join me by adding the address to their name as well??

Flyer is attached. I am truly excited about this and have the time blocked out for sure.

Oh and I have created a new hashtag, #zoom, which, if you like, can be used to tag any events posted or talked about here that occur or occurred on the Zoom platform. Makes these messages easier to find later. If we use this hashtag, people can search for it and all of the messages with that tag will pop up. As we grow, I think that features like that will become more and more important. So let's start there? We have a few other hashtags so far as well, feel free to use them if you like and feel free to email me and suggest more.

Thanks for letting me share!

Best,

Thom
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Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

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Thanks for the heads-up, Thom, I plan to attend at least one, and will adopt your naming convention!

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:52 PM Thom R. <thombone@...> wrote:

On June 5 and June 12th (both days), William Schaberg, author of the book "Writing the Big Book: will be speaking!?

Personally, I am not going to miss this for the world and maybe some of us can "meet" at this zoom event! I plan to make my name look like this:

Thom R. 02-10-92

As a way to show that I am from here but also to let people know that AAHL exists here. I think it might be fun if anyone else wanted to join me by adding the address to their name as well??

Flyer is attached. I am truly excited about this and have the time blocked out for sure.

Oh and I have created a new hashtag, #zoom, which, if you like, can be used to tag any events posted or talked about here that occur or occurred on the Zoom platform. Makes these messages easier to find later. If we use this hashtag, people can search for it and all of the messages with that tag will pop up. As we grow, I think that features like that will become more and more important. So let's start there? We have a few other hashtags so far as well, feel free to use them if you like and feel free to email me and suggest more.

Thanks for letting me share!

Best,

Thom

Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

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Thanks! See you there!

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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 6:47 PM, Jim <jimincancun@...> wrote:

Thanks Thom

agreed. I won't miss them either! See you there.?

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:52 AM Thom R. <thombone@...> wrote:
On June 5 and June 12th (both days), William Schaberg, author of the book "Writing the Big Book: will be speaking!?

Personally, I am not going to miss this for the world and maybe some of us can "meet" at this zoom event! I plan to make my name look like this:

Thom R. 02-10-92

As a way to show that I am from here but also to let people know that AAHL exists here. I think it might be fun if anyone else wanted to join me by adding the address to their name as well??

Flyer is attached. I am truly excited about this and have the time blocked out for sure.

Oh and I have created a new hashtag, #zoom, which, if you like, can be used to tag any events posted or talked about here that occur or occurred on the Zoom platform. Makes these messages easier to find later. If we use this hashtag, people can search for it and all of the messages with that tag will pop up. As we grow, I think that features like that will become more and more important. So let's start there? We have a few other hashtags so far as well, feel free to use them if you like and feel free to email me and suggest more.

Thanks for letting me share!

Best,

Thom

Re: Buchman: An attempt for peace

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For a far more comprehensive and nuanced take on Frank Buchman, see "" Here are several quotes:?

Buchman told the New York World-Telegram in 1936, “I thank Heaven for a man like Adolf Hitler, who built a front-line of defence against the anti-Christ of Communism.”
“But think what it would mean to the world if Hitler surrendered to the control of God. Or Mussolini. Or any dictator. Through such a man God could control a nation overnight and solve every last, bewildering problem ... Human problems aren’t economic. They’re moral and they can’t be solved by immoral measures. They could be solved within a God-controlled democracy, or perhaps I should say a theocracy, and they could be solved through a God-controlled Fascist dictatorship.”
On reading the World-Telegram interview, the theologian Reinhard Niebuhr wrote, “The social philosophy of the Oxford group, long implicit in its strategy, is made explicit, and revealed in all its childishness and viciousness.”

It is within this context that Buchman's "quest for world peace, included attending two Nazi rallies and lunching with Himmler wherein they discussed "politics and spirituality." (citation: ,?Philip Boobbyer)?Heinrich Himmler, of course, was Reichsfuhrer-SS, head of the Gestapo and the Waffen-SS, the architect of the mass murder of Jews in the Third Reich.?Keep in mind this meeting was in 1936, less than a year after German Parliament passed the anti-Semitic “Nuremberg Laws,” the “National Citizens Law,” and the “Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor.” These laws were the basis for the exclusion of Jews ... from all public business life and for the reclassification of the political rights of Jewish citizens. The Jews are returned to the legal position they had occupied in Germany before their emancipation in the 19th century. Jews can no longer exist as German citizens or marry non-Jews." (Citation:?).

From the point in time this posted picture quote references, Frank Buchman was perfectly willing to ignore the plight of Jews as he pursued his "quest for world peace."?He joined a large list of organizations, including the Catholic Church which would make accommodations with the Nazi party. ?

There is a reason why Buchman needed to change the name of the Oxford Group to the Moral Rearmament Army. It had become irrevocably tarnished by Buchman's dangerously naive take on Nazism, fascism and the unamerican attraction to a "theocracy-controlled democracy."?

I post this in order to provide a counterpoint to the unqualified assertion Buchman was pursuing world peace. Context is imperative when it comes to history. Like so many others of that era, this quest combined Nazi appeasement with wishful “pie in the sky” thinking. The cost of ignoring the fate of Jews in Germany, in associating with Nazis and ignoring Jewish leaders of that time, contributed to the creation of a holocaust that would take the lives of more than 6 million Jews.

The hubris necessary to consider that an appeal to fascist butchers and invoking the name of god would somehow lead to world peace can hardly be ignored. Am I saying Buchman is to blame for all of this? Of course not. He’s just one of many religious leaders and organizations which put the goal of stopping a yet-to-occur world war and their fortunes ahead of the already-occurring marginalization and oppression of Jews. His “quest for world peace” should be placed firmly within this larger context.

Finally, the original posted picture shows verbatim text from a Wikipedia Page called . Here is what Wikipedia put on that front page as a warning:

Re: Special Event coming up on #zoom

#236

Thanks Thom

agreed. I won't miss them either! See you there.?

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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 12:52 AM Thom R. <thombone@...> wrote:

On June 5 and June 12th (both days), William Schaberg, author of the book "Writing the Big Book: will be speaking!?

Personally, I am not going to miss this for the world and maybe some of us can "meet" at this zoom event! I plan to make my name look like this:

Thom R. 02-10-92

As a way to show that I am from here but also to let people know that AAHL exists here. I think it might be fun if anyone else wanted to join me by adding the address to their name as well??

Flyer is attached. I am truly excited about this and have the time blocked out for sure.

Oh and I have created a new hashtag, #zoom, which, if you like, can be used to tag any events posted or talked about here that occur or occurred on the Zoom platform. Makes these messages easier to find later. If we use this hashtag, people can search for it and all of the messages with that tag will pop up. As we grow, I think that features like that will become more and more important. So let's start there? We have a few other hashtags so far as well, feel free to use them if you like and feel free to email me and suggest more.

Thanks for letting me share!

Best,

Thom

Special Event coming up on #zoom

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On June 5 and June 12th (both days), William Schaberg, author of the book "Writing the Big Book" will be speaking!?

Personally, I am not going to miss this for the world and maybe some of us can "meet" at this zoom event! I plan to make my name look like this:

Thom R. 02-10-92 groups.io/g/AAHistoryLovers

As a way to show that I am from here but also to let people know that AAHL exists here. I think it might be fun if anyone else wanted to join me by adding the address to their name as well??

Flyer is attached. I am truly excited about this and have the time blocked out for sure.

Oh and I have created a new hashtag, #zoom, which, if you like, can be used to tag any events posted or talked about here that occur or occurred on the Zoom platform. Makes these messages easier to find later. If we use this hashtag, people can search for it and all of the messages with that tag will pop up. As we grow, I think that features like that will become more and more important. So let's start there? We have a few other hashtags so far as well, feel free to use them if you like and feel free to email me and suggest more.

Thanks for letting me share!

Best,

Thom

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Buchman: An attempt for peace

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Dear AA history buffs,

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Frank Buchman, leader of the Oxford Group, made the following attempt to prevent WWII.

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This insert is from a? source who chooses? to remain anonymous.

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[Moderator comment: generally considered obscene symbol is allowed because we're studying Alcoholics Anonymous history here and sometimes it isn't pretty. As long as it stays on topic I don't think we should be in the censorship business. I look forward to the discourse going forward, actually. I think we're all going to learn something here as long as we all work together to continue to stay tightly on topic. Thank you. -Thom]

Re: Tradition 5

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Something that doesnt get mentioned much is Eddie Reilly was with bill and bob when they met with Bill Dotson. ?He was there all Summer. ?The 3 of them, then 4 of them spent the summer trying to get more people sober. ?

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On May 30, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Jim <jimincancun@...> wrote:

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Fitz Mayo?...although the story details dont fit exactly...like the details of Ed the atheist details dont match the true story.

Henry Fitzhugh Mayo
Then, in the fall of 1935, Fitz heard that Towns Hospital in New York was having some success in treating alcoholism, and he went there for treatment.
This was just a few months after Bill Wilson's historic meeting with Dr. Bob in Akron. While he was probably Bill's second successful case, judging from his story in the Big Book there must have been others then in the hospital who had tried AA. (See page 502-3 of the Big Book, about the four alcoholics playing bridge in a smoke-filled room.) Nancy O

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On Sat, May 30, 2020, 12:51 louis caprio <louiscaprio62@...> wrote:
Question, in what year did Bill Wilson meet the tough Irishman in Towns Hospital in the Tradition 5 story in the 12 & 12?

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