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Re: Is this still available
I couldnt get that work. ?But I tried again and finally figured out I had to click Go in my keyboard. ?When I clicked ?Proceed to checkout nothing would happen. ?Weird but I got it. ?Thanks Thom you are amazing!?
[Moderator edit: You are welcome! I even ordered one also haha! -Thom] On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Gene <califxr650l@...> wrote:
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What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?
Hello. I am going to try this again. I can't find any historical information as to the genesis of the "principles" commonly studied and used in AA. My reading of the BB and other literature leads me to think that the Steps and the Traditions ARE THE PRINCIPLES. So who "invented" the various versions of the principles. e.g.? ? The Cleveland site says:?The office was recently contacted by a long-timer who pointed out that the following article provides a list of spiritual?virtues?(not principles) that originated from a plaque which was sold years ago and may originally came from a Grapevine article or other AA newsletter. It is known in the rooms of AA that the spiritual principles are the Twelve Steps. To be thorough, the 36 principles are the?,??and?. There are many different spiritual virtue lists that refer to the Twelve Steps which have been printed by other AA¡¯s over the years. Although used by many AA members, they are not Conference Approved and the origin of these lists are unknown. Bill W. considered each step to be a spiritual principle in and of itself.?" TIA Jim?? |
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The Empty Jug, July 1946
I am searching for anyone that has a copy of the July 1946 issue of an AA newspaper that was published out of Chattanooga, Tennessee with the name of The Empty Jug. The editor of the newspaper was Carl Knoedler, who unfortunately passed away a few weeks after this issue of the newspaper was published. Apparently the editor desired to seek controversy and this issue fulfilled that objective with a variety of possible outside issues. If you do have a copy, I will gladly pay any expenses related to providing me a copy. There were supposed to be around 600 subscribers to the newspaper at the time in 44 States, Canada, and Mexico. Thank you in advance. Gary Neidhardt Lilburn, GA? 770-364-4044 |
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The Names of 75 Failures
Bill Wilson addressed the State of New York Neurology and Psychiatry Annual Meeting in May of 1944. In his talk, he mentioned ¡°75 Failures:¡± ¡°The speaker recalls seventy-five failures during the first three years of A.A. ¨C people we utterly gave up. During the past seven years sixty-two of these cases have returned to us, most of them now making good.¡± (p. 36 of Three Talks to Medical Societies). AAHL Message 27 written in 2002 (from either Nancy Olsen or Jim Blair or both) documents Bill Wilson using updated numbers on the 75 Failures in 1950: ¡°About two thousand recoveries now take place each month. Of those alcoholics who wish to get well and are emotionally capable of trying our method, 50 per cent recover immediately, 25 per cent after a few backslides. The remainder are improved if they continue active in A.A. Of the total who approach us, it is probable that only 25 per cent become A.A. members on the first contact. A list of seventy-five of our early failures today discloses that 70 returned to A.A. after one to ten years. We did not bring them back; they came of their own accord. (N.Y. State J. Med., Vol.50, July 1950)¡± Margaret ¡°Bobbie¡± Burger wrote the following in May of 1945: ¡°Take Bill¡¯s experience: he and Lois, his wife, two years ago made a list of their first 75 failures, men they had worked with for months and some for over a year. These 75 all left AA and went on drinking. Bill and Lois were forced to consider them lost. Today 65 of those 75 are now AA members in good standing, some having come in as much as 3 or 4, 5 and even 8 years after their first contact with AA. All this seems to prove that once a man is inoculated he is never the same again and when he finally reaches that day of complete despair he will turn to AA as a last resort. On Bill¡¯s trip to the coast two years ago he met 5 of these 75 ¡°failures¡±, 3 of them had founded new groups.¡± I find Bobbie¡¯s paragraph to be particularly fascinating. One would think that in the first three years of Bill being recovered, almost all his personal failures would have been in New York ¨C and many, if not the majority, of them would have been at Towns Hospital. I find it almost incredible that Bill would have encountered five Californians on his west coast trip that began on October 24, 1943 that ran until roughly January 20, 1944. Has anyone ever seen the list of names of the 75 Failures? I have asked Stepping Stones already, but I thought it might be worthy to ask AA History Lovers also. The period of December 18, 1934 until early May of 1935, when Bill seemed to get nobody sober, may not have been so futile after all. If the records of Towns Hospital could ever be located, and then matched with the names of these 75 failures, we might find that Bill¡¯s efforts during his first five months of his sobriety weren¡¯t so futile after all. Lilburn, GA |
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Re: Stock certificate question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAccording hindsfoot Jim was probably not Roland Furlong. His storey in the book and Jim dont match at all.? On Aug 5, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:
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Stock certificate question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý? ? Matt, ? Question One: ¡°If you enlarge this graphic you will notice it was sold to ¡°Robert E. Furlong.¡± ?Well, there was a ¡°Ralph Furlong¡± who got sober June 6, 1938. I wonder whether ¡°Robert¡± and ¡°Ralph¡± ?were the same person who wrote ¡°Another Prodigal Story,¡± which appears in the first edition of the BB only.? (p. 357)?¡± ? Question Two: What is the significance of ?the written large hand written word: CANCELED? ? Question Three: Does the 1940 date at the lower right hand corner indicate that the stock receipt had been redeemed at that time?? ? Commentary: ? The following is copied from AA Trivia, by Gary N. : ? ¡°According to the web site, barefootsworld.net/aa-bbtrivia.html, they were real people. ¡°Jim the Car Salesman,¡± mentioned on page 35, is attributed to be the story of Ralph Furlong, who got sober through meeting Bill Wilson. Ralph¡¯s story is titled ¡°Another Prodigal Story¡± which appears on page 357 of the First Edition. However, Jim the car salesman puts whiskey into his milk when he stops for a sandwich. Ralph¡¯s story has him practicing ¡°a little controlled drinking¡±: he takes a quick drink at noon ¡°and cover[s] it up with a milk shake. To be doubly sure, [he¡¯d] have ice cream put into the milk shake.¡± (In New England, a milk shake is literally milk shaken in a blender without ice cream). There is no mention in the First Edition story of him being a car salesman or formerly owning the business in which he¡¯s now an employee.¡± ? I also noticed Ruth Hock¡¯s signature at the Bottom. ? Thank you! ? Bob ? ? -- Bob S |
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Re: 68 years sober
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68 years sober
Good morning. Do we know of other living AAs with this much or more sobriety time?? Date of sobriety:?July 11, 1952?, in NYC, at age 31--One of the first black women in AA (the first was Jimmy Miller, from South Bend, Indiana) ¡°If I have reached just one person, then I have not lived in vain.?My life has been so rewarding. ¡±?~ Liz.?B |
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Hey all! We are speaking! (Speaker flyer thread for AAHL members)
#zoom
I'm dedicating this thread for any member of this group who is speaking at an AA meeting, especially on Zoom (or similar) to be able to share their flyer or information so that hopefully other AAHL members (or myself), can come and support you. It can be a history talk or any other kind of talk in this case. The idea is for us to be able to hear each other's stories and shares and to get to know each other better. ?Also, if you know of any really cool events coming up (online or not) that are AA history related then also please post them in this thread
Thank you! This thread will remain sticky, as well. - Thom R. Your AAHL Moderator |
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