Didn't we have a Miami/ So. Florida history located here?
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Evening Has anyone heard of tradition of giving a 1935 Nickel to a Newcomer at their first meeting Thanks John
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From: "Thom R."
Sent: Jun 29, 2020 3:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Special] [AAHistoryLovers] AA San Diego 1995 - 25 years ago TODAY
Today is the 25th anniversary of the beginning of the International Alcoholics Anonymous convention in San Diego, California. It ran from June 29th to July 2nd, 1995.
Watch this space I'm going to be making an announcement later today and I have something very special to share with all of you. ?
If anyone reading this already knows what it is please don't spoil it, I'd like it to be a bit of a surprise.
Meanwhile if anyone has any experiences or anything at all pertaining to this convention that they'd like to share, please use this thread to do just that.
Best,?
Thom
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Searching for History of Miami/ So. Florida AA origins
Hello HistoryLovers,? I seem to recall once, possibly located when this group was hosted by YahooGroups, a history of AA? coming to Miami and So. Florida. I've attempted an initial search and may not be using key words or I suspect that this information may have been downloaded with the bulk of past posts brought over, shortly after we migrated to groups.io.
? ? ?Can someone direct me as how I might search for those posts? I recall Maria Huffman from the Tampa or Ft Myers area was very active with this group prior to her joining the Big Meeting.
Thank you for any assistance you may provide.
Rc B Happy &? grateful in Homestead
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First, I'd like to say hi to everyone. I hope you are all doing well during this Covid-19 Pandemic! I, for One, will be happy when things get back to normal. As some of you know, I have been rebuilding my website. I have been working on it day and night. I took a couple days off my computer only to check my email late last night and was shocked and saddened to read about Glenn's passing. It wasn't that long ago that Glenn and I communicated via email. The following was the last email I received from Glenn:
Glenn Chesnut?<glennccc@...>
?
Dear Jim,
?
I think that your best bet with Stepping Stones, and especially with Dr. Bob¡¯s house, would be to contact them yourself. I don¡¯t have any special clout with either place. You, on the other hand, have put together one of the three or so best AA history sites on the internet. Simply the fact that either of those places was hosting your website would be great advertisement for either site.
?
And who is now running the Bill Wilson House and the Griffith Library in East Dorset, Vermont?
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And the house where Dr. Bob lived as a child in St. Johnsbury, Vermont?
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And how about a state (Area 51) or big city intergroup¡¯s AA archives in North Carolina? One with a permanent building of its own, or at least a secure room or two where they keep their archives stored. In North Carolina, when you approached them, you would have the advantage of being one of their own folks.
?
I¡¯m 80 years old, and both my heart and my lungs are in bad shape. I can¡¯t really help you with any of this? much. Even doing simple things is a great effort.
?
Don¡¯t worry about keeping current on the Hindsfoot site. I¡¯m not going to be adding any major new material to it, and when I die, no one¡¯s going to keep it going for very long. All the other folks who created Hindsfoot are dead now (Ernie Kurtz, Frank Nyikos, John Stark) or, in Bill Correll¡¯s case, his mind is too far gone (he only partly recognizes me now).
?
I¡¯ve got to get the flash drive in the mail to you. I just put all the Hindsfoot files on it. You can just copy those over into your own site.
?
If there is a problem with some photos and graphics not coming up, and some internal links not working, it is because when I originally created the site, my server treated small letters and capital letters as equivalent in file names. I eventually converted over to naming all my files with small letters, but there are still html pages where the file or the graphic are referred to by a file name with one or more capital letters in it. Some web hosting services are confused by this, so I need to rewrite each html page (when necessary) so that all file names are given completely in small letters.
?
I¡¯ll clean all this up on the Hindsfoot site if I have time.
?
But at my present age, the important thing is to get my Indiana University website up and running.
?
And somewhere in the middle of next month, we¡¯re going to be driving back to California for the winter, so I¡¯m up to my neck in packing right now, and doing last minute things around the house here in Indiana (to winterize it etc.) before we get in the car and hit the road.
?
I won¡¯t have time to write you any more emails for the next month or more.
?
Glenn
___________________________________________
One of the things that was important to Glenn, was to be sure his website, Hindsfoot Foundation would continue to be online. He sent me a Flash Drive with the Hindsfoot Foundation site, Unmeasured Distances, Glenn Text and Author Page on the Flash Drive.
I have finished the Hindsfoot Foundation site for now and it is online as it was when Glenn last worked on it. Their seems to be a problem with his original site; broken links and images not showing up. I have fixed all the broken links and image files as well as finding files on some of my backups that were not on the Flash Drive he sent me.
I have to tell ya... I'm pretty spread out here; rebuilding my site which is a very big job and will take me a while to initially complete and also working on another site that I am also going to mirror on my site. I also need to finish up the other 3 folders of Glenn's mentioned above. I really have my work cut out for me but I'm very grateful to be able to do so!
Again... reading the email late last night about Glenn's passing was a shock to me. I know that Glenn is loved by many and I also know that he will never be forgotten.
For those of you who frequent Glenn's website, you can get to Glenn's updated site mirrored on my site here:?
Ever yours, Jim
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Re: #announcements - Glenn F. Chesnut has passed away, Rest In Peace
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Thank you Thom for the information and your continuing service to AAHL, this site, AA and AA history. It is greatly appreciated.
I am deeply saddened but grateful for the enormous contributions that Glenn? made to AA and its history. I met him at the AA History Symposiums and respect not only his intellectual abilities and capacity but for his humanity and love of the Fellowship. He will be missed but his legacy remains for us a challenge to continue to pass it on.
May he rest in peace.
jim?
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It is with great sadness that our previous AAHL/AAHL2 on Yahoo Group moderator, Glenn F. Chesnut, passed away peacefully at approximately 4 AM Eastern time, this morning, July 27, 2020. He went into hospice on July 20th so this happened quite fast. I am told that his mind was as sharp as ever, but that his "body just can't anymore." I do have more information from the family of a much more personal nature but I feel that perhaps it should stay that way. I should give the family.
But what I can do is post the text of his obituary and will do so, below. I also want you all to know that archives of his books and writings are already in our files section in a folder bearing his name. I also want everyone to know that we are working on preserving the old AAHL2 group content on Yahoo (AAHL moved here after Glenn retired and is was passed on to me because Yahoo is phasing out groups anyway-- and the platform, started by ex-Yahoo groups programmers, is a much better one). Due to Glenn's declining health, I took over as the third AAHL moderator in its history, which is not only where we stand., but from where we will move forward, bringing the whole of AAHL with us.
With his amazing contributions and service in mind, we will move forward as Glenn wished for us to do. To that end, I will also post this on AAHL2, which is still "open" technically but now officially defunct. I hope that more will join us over here before the group over there shuts down completely. We are working on bringing those posts over here anyway, where they will be made available in a searchable format. Most of? the early AAHL is already available here (in the files section).?
How I will ever follow in his footsteps I'll never know. I doubt anybody ever could because I don't think I've ever known anyone with his passion for Recovery. As we move forward, I promise you that I will certainly give this my best shot and will do no harm to his memory in the process--because I said I would and Alcoholics Anonymous gave me integrity to try this with.
Please feel free to reply with anything you would like to say or share. I will give more information, like I said, once I am more clear on which details the family wishes to keep private. It's not up to me, of course. Just know, again, that he was comfortable and he did pass peacefully this morning.
Rest in Peace, Glenn. Thank you for everything you have given us and for everything you have tirelessly contributed to Recovery and to Alcoholics Anonymous. The lives you have touched so profoundly are incalculable and impossible to quantify.
God bless us all as we move forward in this more modern and upgraded AAHL platform, moving? forward with full respect to Glenn's contributions.. We must do this, together, for this is how we will keep the older Yahoo archives and his writings relevant, as well.
Here is the obituary:
"The Rev. Dr. Glenn Forrest Chesnut, was born June 28, 1939 in Springfield, Ohio, to Glenn Forrest Chesnut, Sr., and Glynn Hind Chesnut. He moved south at a young age and spent the rest of his childhood and youth in Kentucky (Louisville) and Texas (San Antonio and Dallas). Glenn was married to Miriam Sue Messersmith Chesnut, and had one brother; John Hind Chesnut. Glenn was a loving father to four children: Benjamin Thomas Chesnut, Donald Rogers, Esa Ehmen-Krause and Anna Chesnut Trodglen, and four grandchildren: Eila, Gabriela, Dylan, and Jaimison. A lifelong scholar, Glenn received a B.S. in physical chemistry and atomic physics from the University of Louisville in 1960, graduating second in his class. Studying at Southern Methodist University, he earned a B.D. from Perkins School of Theology in 1964, and finally a D.Phil. from Oxford University in 1971. Professor Chesnut taught at the University of Virginia, at Boston University, and from 1970 on at Indiana University South Bend, where he retired as Professor of History and Religious Studies in 2003. Glenn was the recipient of numerous academic awards, including a Fulbright Fellowship to Oxford, with Dempster and Rockefeller Fellowships there, a Prix de Rome which allowed him to spend a year as a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome, and a Herman Frederic Lieber teaching award at Indiana University. "His book on The First Christian Histories in 1977 became a classic and is still in print today. Beginning in 1996, he also wrote and edited a long series of books on alcoholism, drug addiction, and the history of the Alcoholics Anonymous movement, plus studies on philosophy and spirituality. Glenn Chesnut died peacefully at home on July 27, 2020 in South Bend, Indiana. "Contributions can be made in Glenn¡¯s memory to the Upper Room Recovery Community, 333 N. Main St., South Bend, IN 46601, or ."
And finally, I reserve the right to edit and update this post if and as necessary.
Yours in Service,
Thom R. [email protected]?Moderator. thomr021092@... AAHL is now located at /g/AAHistoryLovers?- please join us!
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Re: #announcements - Glenn F. Chesnut has passed away, Rest In Peace
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A great loss to our fellowship. I will miss his candor and wit.
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:37 PM, Brian <gr8ful1986@...> wrote: So sorry to hear this news. Met Glenn at a couple of AA History Symposiums and loved every moment I was able to spend with him discussing AA history and the characters around it. Also spent quite a few hours on hindsfoot.?
He will become a legend in the AA Meeting in the sky as much as he was a legend here.?
Thanks to you, Thom, for taking over this site. Your contribution does not go unnoticed.?
Please update us with any more details about Glenn.? Cheers Brian? 801-403-8789
Sent while mobile. Please excuse any typos! On Jul 27, 2020, at 17:14, Terry Gorham <YamahaRider@...> wrote:
?
So sorry to hear about this. We will miss you.
On 7/27/2020 6:38 PM, Thom R. wrote:
It is with great sadness that our previous AAHL/AAHL2 on Yahoo
Group moderator, Glenn F. Chesnut, passed away peacefully at
approximately 4 AM Eastern time, this morning, July 27, 2020. He
went into hospice on July 20th so this happened quite fast. I am
told that his mind was as sharp as ever, but that his "body just
can't anymore." I do have more information from the family of a
much more personal nature but I feel that perhaps it should stay
that way. I should give the family.
But what I can do is post the text of his obituary and will do so,
below. I also want you all to know that archives of his books and
writings are already in our files section in a folder bearing his
name. I also want everyone to know that we are working on
preserving the old AAHL2 group content on Yahoo (AAHL moved here
after Glenn retired and is was passed on to me because Yahoo is
phasing out groups anyway-- and the groups.io platform, started by
ex-Yahoo groups programmers, is a much better one). Due to Glenn's
declining health, I took over as the third AAHL moderator in its
history, which is not only where we stand., but from where we will
move forward, bringing the whole of AAHL with us.
With his amazing contributions and service in mind, we will move
forward as Glenn wished for us to do. To that end, I will also
post this on AAHL2, which is still "open" technically but now
officially defunct. I hope that more will join us over here before
the group over there shuts down completely. We are working on
bringing those posts over here anyway, where they will be made
available in a searchable format. Most of? the early AAHL is
already available here (in the files section).?
How I will ever follow in his footsteps I'll never know. I doubt
anybody ever could because I don't think I've ever known anyone
with his passion for Recovery. As we move forward, I promise you
that I will certainly give this my best shot and will do no harm
to his memory in the process--because I said I would and
Alcoholics Anonymous gave me integrity to try this with.
Please feel free to reply with anything you would like to say or
share. I will give more information, like I said, once I am more
clear on which details the family wishes to keep private. It's not
up to me, of course. Just know, again, that he was comfortable and
he did pass peacefully this morning.
Rest in Peace, Glenn. Thank you for everything you have given us
and for everything you have tirelessly contributed to Recovery and
to Alcoholics Anonymous. The lives you have touched so profoundly
are incalculable and impossible to quantify.
God bless us all as we move forward in this more modern and
upgraded AAHL platform, moving? forward with full respect to
Glenn's contributions.. We must do this, together, for this is how
we will keep the older Yahoo archives and his writings relevant,
as well.
Here is the obituary:
"The Rev.
Dr. Glenn Forrest Chesnut, was born June 28, 1939 in
Springfield, Ohio, to Glenn Forrest Chesnut, Sr., and Glynn Hind
Chesnut. He moved south at a young age and spent the rest of his
childhood and youth in Kentucky (Louisville) and Texas (San
Antonio and Dallas). Glenn was married to Miriam Sue Messersmith
Chesnut, and had one brother; John Hind Chesnut. Glenn was a
loving father to four children: Benjamin Thomas Chesnut, Donald
Rogers, Esa Ehmen-Krause and Anna Chesnut Trodglen, and four
grandchildren: Eila, Gabriela, Dylan, and Jaimison. A lifelong
scholar, Glenn received a B.S. in physical chemistry and atomic
physics from the University of Louisville in 1960, graduating
second in his class. Studying at Southern Methodist University,
he earned a B.D. from Perkins School of Theology in 1964, and
finally a D.Phil. from Oxford University in 1971. Professor
Chesnut taught at the University of Virginia, at Boston
University, and from 1970 on at Indiana University South Bend,
where he retired as Professor of History and Religious Studies
in 2003. Glenn was the recipient of numerous academic awards,
including a Fulbright Fellowship to Oxford, with Dempster and
Rockefeller Fellowships there, a Prix de Rome which allowed him
to spend a year as a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome, and
a Herman Frederic Lieber teaching award at Indiana University.
"His book on The First Christian Histories in 1977 became a
classic and is still in print today. Beginning in 1996, he also
wrote and edited a long series of books on alcoholism, drug
addiction, and the history of the Alcoholics Anonymous movement,
plus studies on philosophy and spirituality. Glenn Chesnut died
peacefully at home on July 27, 2020 in South Bend, Indiana.
"Contributions can be made in Glenn¡¯s memory to the Upper Room
Recovery Community, 333 N. Main St., South Bend, IN 46601, or
upperroomrecovery.org."
And finally, I reserve the right to edit and update this post if
and as necessary.
Yours in Service,
Thom R.
[email protected]?Moderator.
thomr021092@...
AAHL is now located at /g/AAHistoryLovers?-
please join us!
--
sent to you by Terry J. Gorham
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I have also been curious as to why the two prayers are written in such different language. No thees and thous in the 7th step prayer.
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Re: #announcements - Glenn F. Chesnut has passed away, Rest In Peace
#announcements
So sorry to hear this news. Met Glenn at a couple of AA History Symposiums and loved every moment I was able to spend with him discussing AA history and the characters around it. Also spent quite a few hours on hindsfoot.?
He will become a legend in the AA Meeting in the sky as much as he was a legend here.?
Thanks to you, Thom, for taking over this site. Your contribution does not go unnoticed.?
Please update us with any more details about Glenn.? Cheers Brian? 801-403-8789
Sent while mobile. Please excuse any typos!
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On Jul 27, 2020, at 17:14, Terry Gorham <YamahaRider@...> wrote:
?
So sorry to hear about this. We will miss you.
On 7/27/2020 6:38 PM, Thom R. wrote:
It is with great sadness that our previous AAHL/AAHL2 on Yahoo
Group moderator, Glenn F. Chesnut, passed away peacefully at
approximately 4 AM Eastern time, this morning, July 27, 2020. He
went into hospice on July 20th so this happened quite fast. I am
told that his mind was as sharp as ever, but that his "body just
can't anymore." I do have more information from the family of a
much more personal nature but I feel that perhaps it should stay
that way. I should give the family.
But what I can do is post the text of his obituary and will do so,
below. I also want you all to know that archives of his books and
writings are already in our files section in a folder bearing his
name. I also want everyone to know that we are working on
preserving the old AAHL2 group content on Yahoo (AAHL moved here
after Glenn retired and is was passed on to me because Yahoo is
phasing out groups anyway-- and the groups.io platform, started by
ex-Yahoo groups programmers, is a much better one). Due to Glenn's
declining health, I took over as the third AAHL moderator in its
history, which is not only where we stand., but from where we will
move forward, bringing the whole of AAHL with us.
With his amazing contributions and service in mind, we will move
forward as Glenn wished for us to do. To that end, I will also
post this on AAHL2, which is still "open" technically but now
officially defunct. I hope that more will join us over here before
the group over there shuts down completely. We are working on
bringing those posts over here anyway, where they will be made
available in a searchable format. Most of? the early AAHL is
already available here (in the files section).?
How I will ever follow in his footsteps I'll never know. I doubt
anybody ever could because I don't think I've ever known anyone
with his passion for Recovery. As we move forward, I promise you
that I will certainly give this my best shot and will do no harm
to his memory in the process--because I said I would and
Alcoholics Anonymous gave me integrity to try this with.
Please feel free to reply with anything you would like to say or
share. I will give more information, like I said, once I am more
clear on which details the family wishes to keep private. It's not
up to me, of course. Just know, again, that he was comfortable and
he did pass peacefully this morning.
Rest in Peace, Glenn. Thank you for everything you have given us
and for everything you have tirelessly contributed to Recovery and
to Alcoholics Anonymous. The lives you have touched so profoundly
are incalculable and impossible to quantify.
God bless us all as we move forward in this more modern and
upgraded AAHL platform, moving? forward with full respect to
Glenn's contributions.. We must do this, together, for this is how
we will keep the older Yahoo archives and his writings relevant,
as well.
Here is the obituary:
"The Rev.
Dr. Glenn Forrest Chesnut, was born June 28, 1939 in
Springfield, Ohio, to Glenn Forrest Chesnut, Sr., and Glynn Hind
Chesnut. He moved south at a young age and spent the rest of his
childhood and youth in Kentucky (Louisville) and Texas (San
Antonio and Dallas). Glenn was married to Miriam Sue Messersmith
Chesnut, and had one brother; John Hind Chesnut. Glenn was a
loving father to four children: Benjamin Thomas Chesnut, Donald
Rogers, Esa Ehmen-Krause and Anna Chesnut Trodglen, and four
grandchildren: Eila, Gabriela, Dylan, and Jaimison. A lifelong
scholar, Glenn received a B.S. in physical chemistry and atomic
physics from the University of Louisville in 1960, graduating
second in his class. Studying at Southern Methodist University,
he earned a B.D. from Perkins School of Theology in 1964, and
finally a D.Phil. from Oxford University in 1971. Professor
Chesnut taught at the University of Virginia, at Boston
University, and from 1970 on at Indiana University South Bend,
where he retired as Professor of History and Religious Studies
in 2003. Glenn was the recipient of numerous academic awards,
including a Fulbright Fellowship to Oxford, with Dempster and
Rockefeller Fellowships there, a Prix de Rome which allowed him
to spend a year as a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome, and
a Herman Frederic Lieber teaching award at Indiana University.
"His book on The First Christian Histories in 1977 became a
classic and is still in print today. Beginning in 1996, he also
wrote and edited a long series of books on alcoholism, drug
addiction, and the history of the Alcoholics Anonymous movement,
plus studies on philosophy and spirituality. Glenn Chesnut died
peacefully at home on July 27, 2020 in South Bend, Indiana.
"Contributions can be made in Glenn¡¯s memory to the Upper Room
Recovery Community, 333 N. Main St., South Bend, IN 46601, or
upperroomrecovery.org."
And finally, I reserve the right to edit and update this post if
and as necessary.
Yours in Service,
Thom R.
[email protected]?Moderator.
thomr021092@...
AAHL is now located at /g/AAHistoryLovers?-
please join us!
--
sent to you by Terry J. Gorham
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Re: #announcements - Glenn F. Chesnut has passed away, Rest In Peace
#announcements
So sorry to hear about this. We will miss you.
On 7/27/2020 6:38 PM, Thom R. wrote:
It is with great sadness that our previous AAHL/AAHL2 on Yahoo
Group moderator, Glenn F. Chesnut, passed away peacefully at
approximately 4 AM Eastern time, this morning, July 27, 2020. He
went into hospice on July 20th so this happened quite fast. I am
told that his mind was as sharp as ever, but that his "body just
can't anymore." I do have more information from the family of a
much more personal nature but I feel that perhaps it should stay
that way. I should give the family.
But what I can do is post the text of his obituary and will do so,
below. I also want you all to know that archives of his books and
writings are already in our files section in a folder bearing his
name. I also want everyone to know that we are working on
preserving the old AAHL2 group content on Yahoo (AAHL moved here
after Glenn retired and is was passed on to me because Yahoo is
phasing out groups anyway-- and the groups.io platform, started by
ex-Yahoo groups programmers, is a much better one). Due to Glenn's
declining health, I took over as the third AAHL moderator in its
history, which is not only where we stand., but from where we will
move forward, bringing the whole of AAHL with us.
With his amazing contributions and service in mind, we will move
forward as Glenn wished for us to do. To that end, I will also
post this on AAHL2, which is still "open" technically but now
officially defunct. I hope that more will join us over here before
the group over there shuts down completely. We are working on
bringing those posts over here anyway, where they will be made
available in a searchable format. Most of? the early AAHL is
already available here (in the files section).?
How I will ever follow in his footsteps I'll never know. I doubt
anybody ever could because I don't think I've ever known anyone
with his passion for Recovery. As we move forward, I promise you
that I will certainly give this my best shot and will do no harm
to his memory in the process--because I said I would and
Alcoholics Anonymous gave me integrity to try this with.
Please feel free to reply with anything you would like to say or
share. I will give more information, like I said, once I am more
clear on which details the family wishes to keep private. It's not
up to me, of course. Just know, again, that he was comfortable and
he did pass peacefully this morning.
Rest in Peace, Glenn. Thank you for everything you have given us
and for everything you have tirelessly contributed to Recovery and
to Alcoholics Anonymous. The lives you have touched so profoundly
are incalculable and impossible to quantify.
God bless us all as we move forward in this more modern and
upgraded AAHL platform, moving? forward with full respect to
Glenn's contributions.. We must do this, together, for this is how
we will keep the older Yahoo archives and his writings relevant,
as well.
Here is the obituary:
"The Rev.
Dr. Glenn Forrest Chesnut, was born June 28, 1939 in
Springfield, Ohio, to Glenn Forrest Chesnut, Sr., and Glynn Hind
Chesnut. He moved south at a young age and spent the rest of his
childhood and youth in Kentucky (Louisville) and Texas (San
Antonio and Dallas). Glenn was married to Miriam Sue Messersmith
Chesnut, and had one brother; John Hind Chesnut. Glenn was a
loving father to four children: Benjamin Thomas Chesnut, Donald
Rogers, Esa Ehmen-Krause and Anna Chesnut Trodglen, and four
grandchildren: Eila, Gabriela, Dylan, and Jaimison. A lifelong
scholar, Glenn received a B.S. in physical chemistry and atomic
physics from the University of Louisville in 1960, graduating
second in his class. Studying at Southern Methodist University,
he earned a B.D. from Perkins School of Theology in 1964, and
finally a D.Phil. from Oxford University in 1971. Professor
Chesnut taught at the University of Virginia, at Boston
University, and from 1970 on at Indiana University South Bend,
where he retired as Professor of History and Religious Studies
in 2003. Glenn was the recipient of numerous academic awards,
including a Fulbright Fellowship to Oxford, with Dempster and
Rockefeller Fellowships there, a Prix de Rome which allowed him
to spend a year as a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome, and
a Herman Frederic Lieber teaching award at Indiana University.
"His book on The First Christian Histories in 1977 became a
classic and is still in print today. Beginning in 1996, he also
wrote and edited a long series of books on alcoholism, drug
addiction, and the history of the Alcoholics Anonymous movement,
plus studies on philosophy and spirituality. Glenn Chesnut died
peacefully at home on July 27, 2020 in South Bend, Indiana.
"Contributions can be made in Glenn¡¯s memory to the Upper Room
Recovery Community, 333 N. Main St., South Bend, IN 46601, or
upperroomrecovery.org."
And finally, I reserve the right to edit and update this post if
and as necessary.
Yours in Service,
Thom R.
[email protected]?Moderator.
thomr021092@...
AAHL is now located at /g/AAHistoryLovers?-
please join us!
--
sent to you by Terry J. Gorham
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#announcements - Glenn F. Chesnut has passed away, Rest In Peace
#announcements
It is with great sadness that our previous AAHL/AAHL2 on Yahoo Group moderator, Glenn F. Chesnut, passed away peacefully at approximately 4 AM Eastern time, this morning, July 27, 2020. He went into hospice on July 20th so this happened quite fast. I am told that his mind was as sharp as ever, but that his "body just can't anymore." I do have more information from the family of a much more personal nature but I feel that perhaps it should stay that way. I wish to give the family their privacy. But what I can do is post the text of his obituary and will do so, below. I also want you all to know that archives of his books and writings are already in our files section in a folder bearing his name. I also want everyone to know that we are working on preserving the old AAHL2 group content on Yahoo (AAHL moved here after Glenn retired and is passed on to me because Yahoo is phasing out groups anyway-- and the groups.io platform, started by ex-Yahoo groups programmers, is a much better one). Due to Glenn's declining health, I took over as the third AAHL moderator in its history, which is not only where we stand., but from where we will move forward, bringing the whole of AAHL with us. With his amazing contributions and service in mind, we will move forward as Glenn wished for us to do. To that end, I will also post this on AAHL2, which is still "open" technically but now officially defunct. I hope that more will join us over here before the group over there shuts down completely. We are working on bringing those posts over here anyway, where they will be made available in a searchable format. Most of? the early AAHL is already available here (in the files section).? How I will ever follow in his footsteps I'll never know. I doubt anybody ever could because I don't think I've ever known anyone with his passion for Recovery. As we move forward, I promise you that I will certainly give this my best shot and will do no harm to his memory in the process--because I said I would and Alcoholics Anonymous gave me integrity to try this with. Please feel free to reply with anything you would like to say or share. I will give more information, like I said, once I am more clear on which details the family wishes to keep private. It's not up to me, of course. Just know, again, that he was comfortable and he did pass peacefully this morning. Rest in Peace, Glenn. Thank you for everything you have given us and for everything you have tirelessly contributed to Recovery and to Alcoholics Anonymous. The lives you have touched so profoundly are incalculable and impossible to quantify. God bless us all as we move forward in this more modern and upgraded AAHL platform, moving? forward with full respect to Glenn's contributions.. We must do this, together, for this is how we will keep the older Yahoo archives and his writings relevant, as well. Here is the obituary: "The Rev. Dr. Glenn Forrest Chesnut, was born June 28, 1939 in Springfield, Ohio, to Glenn Forrest Chesnut, Sr., and Glynn Hind Chesnut. He moved south at a young age and spent the rest of his childhood and youth in Kentucky (Louisville) and Texas (San Antonio and Dallas). Glenn was married to Miriam Sue Messersmith Chesnut, and had one brother; John Hind Chesnut. Glenn was a loving father to four children: Benjamin Thomas Chesnut, Donald Rogers, Esa Ehmen-Krause and Anna Chesnut Trodglen, and four grandchildren: Eila, Gabriela, Dylan, and Jaimison. A lifelong scholar, Glenn received a B.S. in physical chemistry and atomic physics from the University of Louisville in 1960, graduating second in his class. Studying at Southern Methodist University, he earned a B.D. from Perkins School of Theology in 1964, and finally a D.Phil. from Oxford University in 1971. Professor Chesnut taught at the University of Virginia, at Boston University, and from 1970 on at Indiana University South Bend, where he retired as Professor of History and Religious Studies in 2003. Glenn was the recipient of numerous academic awards, including a Fulbright Fellowship to Oxford, with Dempster and Rockefeller Fellowships there, a Prix de Rome which allowed him to spend a year as a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome, and a Herman Frederic Lieber teaching award at Indiana University. "His book on The First Christian Histories in 1977 became a classic and is still in print today. Beginning in 1996, he also wrote and edited a long series of books on alcoholism, drug addiction, and the history of the Alcoholics Anonymous movement, plus studies on philosophy and spirituality. Glenn Chesnut died peacefully at home on July 27, 2020 in South Bend, Indiana. "Contributions can be made in Glenn¡¯s memory to the Upper Room Recovery Community, 333 N. Main St., South Bend, IN 46601, or upperroomrecovery.org."
And finally, I reserve the right to edit and update this post if and as necessary.
Yours in Service, Thom R. [email protected]?Moderator. thomr021092@...AAHL is now located at /g/AAHistoryLovers?- please join us!
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Re: 7th Step Prayer inconsistency?/Third Step
Note on page 210 The AA Way Of Life Line six uses the word "Transcendence" rather then "victory"Don't know where this came from John Schram
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-----Original Message----- From: Tom Hickcox <cometkazie1@...> Sent: Jul 27, 2020 5:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] 7th Step Prayer inconsistency?/Third Step
There is another grammatical error in Step Three, which says, in part, "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over . . ."
"Will" should be "wills" plural.
Tommy H
Danville, Ky
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Thanks. I have heard that too
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 07:42 -Ric in Homestead, Fl < gentlehart@...> wrote: I haven't yet gotten that far in my reading/studying of "Writing of the Big Book", but I've always have understood the 3rd Step prayer places me inside of a prayer, while I look at myself,? and am not released from that prayer until the 7th Step prayer with the Amen.
Happy &Grateful, Ric in Homestead? 5/14/95
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Re: 7th Step Prayer inconsistency?/Third Step
There is another grammatical error in Step Three, which says, in part, "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over . . ."
"Will" should be "wills" plural.
Tommy H
Danville, Ky
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Re: 7th Step Prayer inconsistency?
I haven't yet gotten that far in my reading/studying of "Writing of the Big Book", but I've always have understood the 3rd Step prayer places me inside of a prayer, while I look at myself,? and am not released from that prayer until the 7th Step prayer with the Amen.
Happy &Grateful, Ric in Homestead? 5/14/95
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Don't know about inconsistency and don't have facts.? I am in my eighties, my sobriety date is June 13 1988, and I have some health issues,? but in earlier sobriety, I was working on a General Service presentation on steps 6 and 7 referred to as the lost steps in the flyer We were 3 presenters and each given a specific area to focus on. I would have used AAHL, Silkworth.net, Barefoot Bil and all those wonderful sites.? I also used the book Drop the Rock.
?I don't remember where I came across it in my research but I've never forgotten.? What I found was that we begin a process with step 3 we don't complete til step 7 therefore no amen til 7th step prayer Wish I were spry enough to go digging thru my file drawers for the source because my brain is spinning and I can't turn it off
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Re: 7th Step Prayer inconsistency?
I'm checking Writing The Big Book...
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Hello.
It seems that every reference to the or a diety or divine principle or concept? in the BB is capitalized...both nouns and pronouns.?
Except the words "you" and "your" in the 7th Step prayer. (Instead of the Thees and Thous of the 3rd step prayer.)
Is there a story there?
Then there is the old question about why it ends in Amen and the 3rd step prayer doesn't.?
Not interested in opinions as to why so much as any historical or even anecdotal facts.?
TIA
Jim
-- Best Regards, J.Barry Murtaugh
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7th Step Prayer inconsistency?
Hello.
It seems that every reference to the or a diety or divine principle or concept? in the BB is capitalized...both nouns and pronouns.?
Except the words "you" and "your" in the 7th Step prayer. (Instead of the Thees and Thous of the 3rd step prayer.)
Is there a story there?
Then there is the old question about why it ends in Amen and the 3rd step prayer doesn't.?
Not interested in opinions as to why so much as any historical or even anecdotal facts.?
TIA
Jim
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Re: File /Books/The History of AA by Bob P (GSC unapproved).pdf uploaded
#file-notice
Just in case there is someone under a rock there was already a publication called The Grapevine so it had to be The AA Grapevine
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