Howard,?
You only need a face plate if you want to do turning between centers or for fastening odd shaped work to the lathe.? The 3 and 4 jaw chucks will handle most of your needs.
Are you asking about the motor pulley.?
In the group files section, there is a folder called manuals.? In there is a file called "Operating Instructions and Parts List for Craftsman Lathe " it has an exploded view diagram, parts list, and basic adjustments. That is about the only specific manual for these lathes. For repair and maintenance you'll have to find a general lathe manual. The internet has many.?
Penn?
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First, thank you Penn and Wishbone. Penn stuck with me until I realized the error of my thinking about how the gears and drive worked. It doesn't appear?that my shaft is bent, a good thing, nor do the bushings appear to be worn. My next question is, the info
keeps mentioning a face plate. I don't seem to have one. I have 2 chucks, a 3-jaw and a 4-jaw and both just screw onto the shaft. Do I need a face plate? Then one more question--what is the smallest diameter of the step pulley that came with these? The only
one I have starts out pretty big, compared to the ones I see in photos. Oh, and I'm still looking for a maintenance/repair manual. I've looked through all the files shown and find lots of good information but no real manual for assembly, maintenance and repair.
Was one ever made?
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Re: New old guy with a 109 AA lathe
The set screw in the pulley is actually for oil.?
In addition to moving the bolt in the planetary gearhousing, there is a pin in the headstock that is pushed in to lock the gearhousing from turning so that you get the speed reduction.?
Penn Hess?
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Re: New old guy with a 109 AA lathe
Quoting HOWARD CROSSLEN <hcrosslen@...>: ________________________________
Hi guys, I'll give this a try and see if it goes anywhere. I have a Craftsman 109.2127 I bought several years ago. Don't know much about lathes, just now getting up my nerve to take a whack at this.
I don't have any information about maintenance or repair, if any such exist I'd sure like to know about it.
My immediate question is, as I understand it, you loosen the socket head screw on the back of the "drum" that houses the planetary back gearset, and if you move it outward it disengages the drum from the gears. If you move the screw and its "nut" toward the center, it engages the plate to which the planetary gears are attached and that's high-speed. But then as far as I can tell, the only thing connecting the step pully to the mainsaft, once disconnected as stated in the first case above, is the setscrew in the step pulley--is that true? Since there's no flat on the shaft, that cupped screw will then just have to dig into the shaft, is what I'm seeing--and then that will not go through the bushings should you need to disassemble without damaging them. Help!
There's a thin key in the shaft that locks it to the drive pulley. One thing to be aware of is that the spindle nose on these lathes is usually bent.
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New old guy with a 109 AA lathe
Hi guys, I'll give this a try and see if it goes anywhere. I have a Craftsman 109.2127 I bought several years?ago. Don't know much about lathes, just now getting up my nerve to take a whack at this.
I don't have any information about maintenance or repair, if any such exist I'd sure like to know about it.
My immediate question is, as I understand it, you loosen the socket head screw on the back of the "drum" that houses the planetary back gearset, and if you move it outward it disengages the drum from the gears. If you move the screw and its "nut" toward the
center, it engages the plate to which the planetary gears are attached and that's high-speed. But then as far as I can tell, the only thing connecting the step pully to the mainsaft, once disconnected as stated in the first case above, is the setscrew in the
step pulley--is that true? Since there's no flat on the shaft, that cupped screw will then just have to dig into the shaft, is what I'm seeing--and then that will not go through the bushings should you need to disassemble without damaging them. Help!
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New member looking for info
Hello, I am a woodworker with a fairly complete shop and wood lathe.
I was given this 109 lathe, as is and I found a users manual.
I know I am missing the gear cover from the machine. There is a broken piece as well the seems to be a tool post wedge.
I also can not clamp the tail stock down to the bed so missing a few parts there. I found part numbers for those in the manual.
Would I be right to assume all the different years parts are comparable with this machine, or were there many changes/differences throughout those years?
I am also hoping to narrow down what year it may have been made and if I am missing any other things? maybe a few gears.
I am not overly familiar with working in metals so any info you can share about the machine itself or a better manual. perhaps even some basic operational videos out there as well.
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Re: Advice for buying a 109
While I have no quarrel with the comments being made about the AA109 lathe's limitations, I do think that it should be thought about in context with its original purpose.
This machine was created in response to a perceived price limitation of $30.00 (1940 USD). At that time, this was about a month's rent for many prospective buyers and that initial price meant the difference between having a thread cutting lathe for their DIY projects and having to make do without such a lathe. That price did not include a motor, and many buyers adapted a sewing machine table with the treadle driving the lathe. It could be used in a house or barn that did not have electricity.
Judged in that context, I believe that this is a very successful example of "value engineering." I also suspect that Tom Dunlap had something to do with this concept.
At that time (1940) my father was working in the Merchandise Development Department at Sears, and he designed the drill presses and many of the wrenches that appear in the 1941 catalogue.?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: mike allen
Sent: Mar 19, 2020 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AA-109-Lathe-Group] Advice for buying a 109
??? ??? I have a 109 & I can't really say there are alot of
pros for these guys I know I'll prob get flamed for sayin that .
??? ??? 1. I don't think yer gonna be able to turn down rod ends
with the through hole size on a 109 .25.
??? ??? 2. the spindle bearings are not bearings , their either
brass or bronze bushings
??? ??? 3. I don't think the graduations on the cross feed mean
anything as far as distance of travel & I know mine has no
dial on the compound.
??? ??? I plan to go through mine at some time just to see if I
can make it into anything . I really hate to say it but yer
probably better off with a import or look into a Taig or Shureline
(sp) I know they make them with options
??? ??? for folks that make pool que sticks .
??? ??? I would really consider looking for something that is
more functional, ya can get parts for & will frustrate? you
alot . ya don't want to go down this rabbit hole with any
frustrations to burn ya out on this hobby
??? ??? YMMV
??? ??? animal
Hi all. I make bamboo fly rods, and at some point, you need to get
a metal lathe to do some of the work. I've done a lot of research,
and while the Chinese mini lathes are affordable, I'd really
rather not go down that road. I like the old iron. My favorite
tools were my dad's, some of which he made himself in trade school
in the 40s.?
I know the 101s / 618s were better built, but the ones I could
afford are basket cases (literally, in pieces, in baskets), and
shipping costs are prohibitive.?
I know the 109s have limitations and are primarily hobby lathes,
but that's what I'm looking for anyways. I'll be turning down the
ends of the rod sections to fit the ferrules, turning reel seat
inserts, and turning cork grips, all operations not requiring
machinist precision. And I'm hoping to learn the basics of
machining and repairing and maintaining old iron lathes so I could
eventually get into a larger one down the road.?
I've been looking for a couple months, got outbid on some
auctions, and shied away from some truly abused lathes. I know it
takes a while to find the right lathe and you should be patient,
but is there a reason why there aren't many out there? ?I live in
the Chicago area and while there are some big machines for great
prices out here, there are rarely any 109s or 101s. Given that
Chicago was Sears headquarters, that's surprising to me.?
So here's an idea I have. I'm thinking of buying the pieces on
eBay hoping that the shipping would be more reasonable and then
put it together. Is there a chance that it could end up being a
disaster like that Johnny Cash song where he builds a Cadiilac by
stealing pieces over 20 years?
Anyways, thanks for reading. Looking forward to your thoughts on
this.?
Jim
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Re: Advice for buying a 109
Hey man, I have a 109 I’d like to get rid of, I had it for five years and haven’t touched it, it’s complete with the four jaw Chuck, little motor, some?most gears,?
i’m in denver (lathe also)
let me know if you want pictures
jm
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Re: Advice for buying a 109
??? ??? I have a 109 & I can't really say there are alot of
pros for these guys I know I'll prob get flamed for sayin that .
??? ??? 1. I don't think yer gonna be able to turn down rod ends
with the through hole size on a 109 .25.
??? ??? 2. the spindle bearings are not bearings , their either
brass or bronze bushings
??? ??? 3. I don't think the graduations on the cross feed mean
anything as far as distance of travel & I know mine has no
dial on the compound.
??? ??? I plan to go through mine at some time just to see if I
can make it into anything . I really hate to say it but yer
probably better off with a import or look into a Taig or Shureline
(sp) I know they make them with options
??? ??? for folks that make pool que sticks .
??? ??? I would really consider looking for something that is
more functional, ya can get parts for & will frustrate? you
alot . ya don't want to go down this rabbit hole with any
frustrations to burn ya out on this hobby
??? ??? YMMV
??? ??? animal
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Hi all. I make bamboo fly rods, and at some point, you need to get
a metal lathe to do some of the work. I've done a lot of research,
and while the Chinese mini lathes are affordable, I'd really
rather not go down that road. I like the old iron. My favorite
tools were my dad's, some of which he made himself in trade school
in the 40s.?
I know the 101s / 618s were better built, but the ones I could
afford are basket cases (literally, in pieces, in baskets), and
shipping costs are prohibitive.?
I know the 109s have limitations and are primarily hobby lathes,
but that's what I'm looking for anyways. I'll be turning down the
ends of the rod sections to fit the ferrules, turning reel seat
inserts, and turning cork grips, all operations not requiring
machinist precision. And I'm hoping to learn the basics of
machining and repairing and maintaining old iron lathes so I could
eventually get into a larger one down the road.?
I've been looking for a couple months, got outbid on some
auctions, and shied away from some truly abused lathes. I know it
takes a while to find the right lathe and you should be patient,
but is there a reason why there aren't many out there? ?I live in
the Chicago area and while there are some big machines for great
prices out here, there are rarely any 109s or 101s. Given that
Chicago was Sears headquarters, that's surprising to me.?
So here's an idea I have. I'm thinking of buying the pieces on
eBay hoping that the shipping would be more reasonable and then
put it together. Is there a chance that it could end up being a
disaster like that Johnny Cash song where he builds a Cadiilac by
stealing pieces over 20 years?
Anyways, thanks for reading. Looking forward to your thoughts on
this.?
Jim
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Re: Advice for buying a 109
Jim,
I think you'll spend more money buying a lathe in pieces
(that's why most sellers part them out)
I have successfully begged "local pickup only" sellers on ebay
to pack and ship, so don't discount those listings.
And you'll need a hollow headstock (therefore a 101/608)
to chuck a rod section and turn down for ferrules. (unless you know
?some swell trick ?)
Best of Luck !
John Billingham
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Re: Lathe Drive Pulley -mount to Spindle Shaft- ?
? ? SORRY , My Bad !!! In looking over the Situation with my 'Drive Pulley' question , I Answered it myself !!? Had me mystified?for a bit , until?I got the -Woodruff-? properly engaged?, then I SEE what the Design Is !! Pretty Cool !!!? ? ?KJK? ? ?QUESTION :? What do we like to use for Lubrication for the -Back Gear Set- ??
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:42 PM Kevin Kimble via Groups.Io <kimblekevin= [email protected]> wrote: ? Recently pick-up this 6in AA-109 , and I find that the 'Drive Pulley' is certainly missing SOMETHING !?
The Reduction (Back Gear Unit) connects to Spindle with the 1/16 Woodruff Key. But what about the?
primary Drive Pulley ? I have a 1/4-20 set screw 3/8 long (that does NOT contact the Spindle.)
The HOLE is only threaded for a short portion , and my Spindle Shaft , shows no appreciable?
'Contact Marks' , for anything that would have ever engaged with it !!? HELP PLEASE !!??
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Lathe Drive Pulley -mount to Spindle Shaft- ?
? Recently pick-up this 6in AA-109 , and I find that the 'Drive Pulley' is certainly missing SOMETHING !?
The Reduction (Back Gear Unit) connects to Spindle with the 1/16 Woodruff Key. But what about the?
primary Drive Pulley ? I have a 1/4-20 set screw 3/8 long (that does NOT contact the Spindle.)
The HOLE is only threaded for a short portion , and my Spindle Shaft , shows no appreciable?
'Contact Marks' , for anything that would have ever engaged with it !!? HELP PLEASE !!??
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Re: Advice for buying a 109
What is you budget? I have been considering letting mine go. ? ?You can email me if your interested. ? ? ? Hoss
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:40 PM, jttselepis@... <jttselepis@...> wrote: Hi all. I make bamboo fly rods, and at some point, you need to get a metal lathe to do some of the work. I've done a lot of research, and while the Chinese mini lathes are affordable, I'd really rather not go down that road. I like the old iron. My favorite tools were my dad's, some of which he made himself in trade school in the 40s.?
I know the 101s / 618s were better built, but the ones I could afford are basket cases (literally, in pieces, in baskets), and shipping costs are prohibitive.?
I know the 109s have limitations and are primarily hobby lathes, but that's what I'm looking for anyways. I'll be turning down the ends of the rod sections to fit the ferrules, turning reel seat inserts, and turning cork grips, all operations not requiring machinist precision. And I'm hoping to learn the basics of machining and repairing and maintaining old iron lathes so I could eventually get into a larger one down the road.?
I've been looking for a couple months, got outbid on some auctions, and shied away from some truly abused lathes. I know it takes a while to find the right lathe and you should be patient, but is there a reason why there aren't many out there? ?I live in the Chicago area and while there are some big machines for great prices out here, there are rarely any 109s or 101s. Given that Chicago was Sears headquarters, that's surprising to me.?
So here's an idea I have. I'm thinking of buying the pieces on eBay hoping that the shipping would be more reasonable and then put it together. Is there a chance that it could end up being a disaster like that Johnny Cash song where he builds a Cadiilac by stealing pieces over 20 years?
Anyways, thanks for reading. Looking forward to your thoughts on this.?
Jim
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Hi all. I make bamboo fly rods, and at some point, you need to get a metal lathe to do some of the work. I've done a lot of research, and while the Chinese mini lathes are affordable, I'd really rather not go down that road. I like the old iron. My favorite tools were my dad's, some of which he made himself in trade school in the 40s.?
I know the 101s / 618s were better built, but the ones I could afford are basket cases (literally, in pieces, in baskets), and shipping costs are prohibitive.?
I know the 109s have limitations and are primarily hobby lathes, but that's what I'm looking for anyways. I'll be turning down the ends of the rod sections to fit the ferrules, turning reel seat inserts, and turning cork grips, all operations not requiring machinist precision. And I'm hoping to learn the basics of machining and repairing and maintaining old iron lathes so I could eventually get into a larger one down the road.?
I've been looking for a couple months, got outbid on some auctions, and shied away from some truly abused lathes. I know it takes a while to find the right lathe and you should be patient, but is there a reason why there aren't many out there? ?I live in the Chicago area and while there are some big machines for great prices out here, there are rarely any 109s or 101s. Given that Chicago was Sears headquarters, that's surprising to me.?
So here's an idea I have. I'm thinking of buying the pieces on eBay hoping that the shipping would be more reasonable and then put it together. Is there a chance that it could end up being a disaster like that Johnny Cash song where he builds a Cadiilac by stealing pieces over 20 years?
Anyways, thanks for reading. Looking forward to your thoughts on this.?
Jim
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Hi, I have just joined the group. I have just acquired a 1940s vintage AA109 Craftsman Dunlap lathe in good working order and am about to start setting it up in my workshop.  I would appreciate any pointers members of the group can provide about working around its limitations and upgrading it correct them. Immediate concerns: getting readout capability for the cross slide motions and thread cutting tooling. I don't yet have a tool and cutter grinding capability. BTW my decision to acquire this DIY oriented home workshop lathe despite its limitations was influenced by my father's having worked at Sears Roebuck headquarters in 1940 designing power tools and hand tools. He knew Tom Dunlap well, and described Dunlap as his idol, both as a man and business man. I do not know whether my father worked on the design of this lathe, but he would at least have known something about its design. My father did for certain design the new 1940 Craftsman drill press models with the strong and rigid "I-beam" type head support. My father left Sears in 1941 to accept a commission in the Navy. He served as an engineering officer, ultimately as Chief Engineer on USS Tripoli (CVE-64), before returning to civilian life at the end of 1945. Dave Welsh Classical Coins [www dot classicalcoins dot com]
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Hello, I am wanting to build a set of change gears for my 109. I am needing the specifications for the gears if anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Hoss
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In need of a thread dial assembly
This is my first lathe, recently purchased a 109.20630?
?Now I realized that a thread dial is part of a lathe and it's missing. Any?
?help would be greatly apreciated, Thanks?
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Brian definitely interested. I can not e mail you cant seem to get your e mail address to show. My e mail is up now so you can get a hold of me.
I found something laying around here but not sure it will work. It is a four step off a old china drill press but the biggest size is? 3.5" and goes down to I would guess 1.5". Setting up this lathe is new to me.
Thanks,
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Hi Gary, I have a drive pulley off a 101.21200 Craftsman 6" lathe. I also have the belt and spindle pulley if you are interested. The belt is 1/4" wide.
Here are the manual part numbers:
560-195, Drive Pulley (it has four steps and fits a 1/2" motor shaft with a set screw lock)
051-075, Belt
560-194, Spindle Pulley (four step)
There is also an idler for this lathe.
The drive pulley has a bushing pressed into it to fit the 1/2" motor shaft and is cross drilled for a set screw lock to the flat on the shaft. If you are interested let me know via email and we can work something out.
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