Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
So many negative aspects of these units reported over the last few years.? I'm happy I have a simple window shaker in my 2009 Classic.? At the worst, I have to run it full time to maintain an acceptable temperature.
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Don DeRyke
Sunrise, Florida
2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.?
Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Re: AC cover Susan Orgeron
I have Susan at?
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 3:34?AM wenzel.mich via <wenzel.mich= [email protected]> wrote: Hi all, several members have mentioned that Susan Orgeron makes covers for Aliner air conditioners that stick out on the side. Mine is a 2014 Aliner Ranger 12, but it no longer has the stock AC unit, but a slightly bigger LG 6k btu unit. Can anyone please put me in touch with Susan? Can't figure out a way to search members on here or directly message her. I'd like to get it covered before we leave on a long road trip on July 19th.
Thank you!!
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Cindy Harris
Pittsburgh, PA
2013 Expedition
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Steve, I have closed the dormers on my LXE and extended the air ducts to over the bed and it's working pretty good.
Thank you.
Pat
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Hi David,? You gave me an idea from your description of extending the air ducts.? I bought a coil of aluminum foil air duct and two plastic zip locks.? I attached two coils of air duct to two of my air vents and extended them up over my bed.? It works great!? I can just collapse them to the floor when traveling.
Thank you so much! Pat  
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Re: AC cover Susan Orgeron
Let us know if you get in touch with Susan.? I have emails her a few times and gotten no response.?
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This picture looks like the perfect time to add stronger wheel wells instead of the flimsy tin one the factory installs.? I would go around the lower corners a bit to add strength.
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Re: AC cover Susan Orgeron
Aline is currently using the LG.? You should check with Kevin in parts to see if the have them.? 724-237-5227 x 112
Susan is at 337-442-6244 or kitemaker4@...
-- Don DeRyke Sunrise, Florida 2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.? Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Hi all, several members have mentioned that Susan Orgeron makes covers for Aliner air conditioners that stick out on the side. Mine is a 2014 Aliner Ranger 12, but it no longer has the stock AC unit, but a slightly bigger LG 6k btu unit. Can anyone please put me in touch with Susan? Can't figure out a way to search members on here or directly message her. I'd like to get it covered before we leave on a long road trip on July 19th.
Thank you!!
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
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On 06/24/2024 9:05 PM EDT Don DeRyke via groups.io <deryked@...> wrote:
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What are vacuum panels, and would they be appropriate for a floor?
I'm in Florida so I'm not sure how much insulation I need from below.
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Don DeRyke
Sunrise, Florida
2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.?
Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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I'm mounting the walls now.? I didn't pay as much attention as I should have regarding the position of the box on the floor, and the floor to the frame.? But I think I got it.? Keeping it square and plumb is my prime objective. -- Don DeRyke Sunrise, Florida 2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.? Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
What are vacuum panels, and would they be appropriate for a floor? I'm in Florida so I'm not sure how much insulation I need from below. -- Don DeRyke Sunrise, Florida 2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.? Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Many decades ago I had a window AC in a room mounted in a window that was recessed from the main room. To get the cool air to blow out and then at right angles into a dead air space corner I taped a large plastic bag over the air outlet and put a hole in it near the opposite end, but on one side. This made a self inflating ¡°duct¡± that blew the air exactly where I needed it and auto collapsed out of the way when the air flow stopped. It was a clear plastic so it was much less noticeable when in use. Might be a very simple way to extend air ducts above the folding wall limits as needed.?
It appears that each model of Aliner has a different configuration of air ducts from the heat pump.? Our expedition has 3, several folks have mentioned that they have 2, and the late model LXE also has three - but with differently placed outlets.? What seems to be consistent, however, is the under-performing of the unit for cooling.? Some this can't be helped as nothing can extend above the wall fold-line.? So putting A/C vents up high, permanently, is not possible.
So, to summarize what the issues are, and what we have done to alleviate them:?
¡¤???????? Plug air leaks
o?? Backer rod pressed into seams ¨C roof, dormers
o?? Plug leaks around door
o?? Plug leaks through floor
¡¤???????? Reduce sun heat gain
o?? Park in shade when possible
o?? Use sunscreen on outside of windows (with suction clips)
¡¤???????? Improve air flow of A/C
o?? Fan on floor in front of /C outlets to raise cool air up in the trailer
o?? Fan of opposite end of the trailer to push air back toward the main bed area
o?? Do not pull-out main bed ¨C use it as a twin size along with the conversion of the dining area to another bed
¡¤???????? Decrease cubic footage of air to condition
o?? Lower dormers ¨C less cubic feet to cool; less wall square footage to outside; increased insulation of area above dormers (double thickness)
During the heat of the day, on real hot days, we simply lowered the dormers and clipped them down.? This seemed to help with the A/C.
We decided to use sunscreen material on the outside to reduce heat gain.? The reflectix seems like a great product, but we wanted to be able to see out of the trailer while reducing the heat gain.? We purchased a roll of sunscreen material and cut pieces to fit our windows.? We live south of Houston, and the solar screens on our home work real well.
I found ¡°holes¡± in the floor through which utilities came into the trailer from the outside.? One was around the inlet for the gas line to the furnace.? From the inside I could look through the vent cover for the furnace and see daylight.? So I caulked from below any such leaks I found.? Around the door were also smaller leaks, especially where the wall folds down.? I used pieces of backer rod to stuff in there.?
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Together, these activities allowed much better comfort in the heat.? The last thing I will do is think about how to best re-route the current flexible ducts to improve distribution of cool air.? If I come up with my take on a solution to the routing of ducts, I will certainly post again.
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Products:
Backer rods are available in various diameters to fit different gaps.? These are closed cell and easy to push into the gaps around the seams/roof panel. ???? is a search that provides some options.
Suction clips are used to hold the pieces of sunscreen to the outside of the windows.? is an example of such clips.? They stick pretty well to the flat, smooth outside walls around the windows.? You may need to wipe off the dust from the wall before adhering, and slightly dampen the suction cup.
To Joe S - thanks for the suggestion about the Styrofoam panels.? I had not thought about this.? I will certainly look into doing something like this to my RV!
Thanks for the great discussion of this topic.
Steve S.
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Don, how's your frame repair and floor rebuild coming along?
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Hi Don:
Coosa says 2 to 3 times better R value. Better with water, but not immune.?
The best would be vacuum panels, the vacuum space doesn't matter as long as it is greater than zero.?
Carl.?
On 06/24/2024 9:59 AM EDT Don DeRyke via groups.io <deryked@...> wrote:
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Carl,
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I'm putting my camper back together after replacing the floor with 3/4" Coosa Bluewater 26 board.? Primarily a marine product.? It is?Fiberglass Reinforced Polyurethane Foam.? I would think it might provide more insulating value than plywood, but i'm not sure.? Maybe I'll do a heat transmission test with some scrap I have, and compare the results just for giggles.
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Don DeRyke
Sunrise, Florida
2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.?
Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Carl,
I'm putting my camper back together after replacing the floor with 3/4" Coosa Bluewater 26 board.? Primarily a marine product.? It is?Fiberglass Reinforced Polyurethane Foam.? I would think it might provide more insulating value than plywood, but i'm not sure.? Maybe I'll do a heat transmission test with some scrap I have, and compare the results just for giggles. -- Don DeRyke Sunrise, Florida 2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.? Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
I noticed that there was no insulation between the top of the refrigerator, and the counter top in my 2009 Classic.? The fridge generates a lot of heat. -- Don DeRyke Sunrise, Florida 2009 Classic, 2020 Ford Escape, 2.0 liter EcoBoost, AWD.? Previous TV 2015 Ford Escape 1.6 ltr EcoBoost engine.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Hi? Gang:
We put 3" of exterior roofing Styrofoam under the floor, it helped.
Carl.?
On 06/23/2024 5:31 PM EDT Steve via groups.io <saseve@...> wrote:
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It appears that each model of Aliner has a different configuration of air ducts from the heat pump.? Our expedition has 3, several folks have mentioned that they have 2, and the late model LXE also has three - but with differently placed outlets.? What seems to be consistent, however, is the under-performing of the unit for cooling.? Some this can't be helped as nothing can extend above the wall fold-line.? So putting A/C vents up high, permanently, is not possible.
So, to summarize what the issues are, and what we have done to alleviate them:?
¡¤???????? Plug air leaks
o?? Backer rod pressed into seams ¨C roof, dormers
o?? Plug leaks around door
o?? Plug leaks through floor
¡¤???????? Reduce sun heat gain
o?? Park in shade when possible
o?? Use sunscreen on outside of windows (with suction clips)
¡¤???????? Improve air flow of A/C
o?? Fan on floor in front of /C outlets to raise cool air up in the trailer
o?? Fan of opposite end of the trailer to push air back toward the main bed area
o?? Do not pull-out main bed ¨C use it as a twin size along with the conversion of the dining area to another bed
¡¤???????? Decrease cubic footage of air to condition
o?? Lower dormers ¨C less cubic feet to cool; less wall square footage to outside; increased insulation of area above dormers (double thickness)
During the heat of the day, on real hot days, we simply lowered the dormers and clipped them down.? This seemed to help with the A/C.
We decided to use sunscreen material on the outside to reduce heat gain.? The reflectix seems like a great product, but we wanted to be able to see out of the trailer while reducing the heat gain.? We purchased a roll of sunscreen material and cut pieces to fit our windows.? We live south of Houston, and the solar screens on our home work real well.
I found ¡°holes¡± in the floor through which utilities came into the trailer from the outside.? One was around the inlet for the gas line to the furnace.? From the inside I could look through the vent cover for the furnace and see daylight.? So I caulked from below any such leaks I found.? Around the door were also smaller leaks, especially where the wall folds down.? I used pieces of backer rod to stuff in there.?
?
Together, these activities allowed much better comfort in the heat.? The last thing I will do is think about how to best re-route the current flexible ducts to improve distribution of cool air.? If I come up with my take on a solution to the routing of ducts, I will certainly post again.
?
Products:
Backer rods are available in various diameters to fit different gaps.? These are closed cell and easy to push into the gaps around the seams/roof panel. ???? is a search that provides some options.
Suction clips are used to hold the pieces of sunscreen to the outside of the windows.? is an example of such clips.? They stick pretty well to the flat, smooth outside walls around the windows.? You may need to wipe off the dust from the wall before adhering, and slightly dampen the suction cup.
To Joe S - thanks for the suggestion about the Styrofoam panels.? I had not thought about this.? I will certainly look into doing something like this to my RV!
Thanks for the great discussion of this topic.
Steve S.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
It appears that each model of Aliner has a different configuration of air ducts from the heat pump.? Our expedition has 3, several folks have mentioned that they have 2, and the late model LXE also has three - but with differently placed outlets.? What seems to be consistent, however, is the under-performing of the unit for cooling.? Some this can't be helped as nothing can extend above the wall fold-line.? So putting A/C vents up high, permanently, is not possible. So, to summarize what the issues are, and what we have done to alleviate them:?
¡¤???????? Plug air leaks
o?? Backer rod pressed into seams ¨C roof, dormers
o?? Plug leaks around door
o?? Plug leaks through floor
¡¤???????? Reduce sun heat gain
o?? Park in shade when possible
o?? Use sunscreen on outside of windows (with suction clips)
¡¤???????? Improve air flow of A/C
o?? Fan on floor in front of /C outlets to raise cool air up in the trailer
o?? Fan of opposite end of the trailer to push air back toward the main bed area
o?? Do not pull-out main bed ¨C use it as a twin size along with the conversion of the dining area to another bed
¡¤???????? Decrease cubic footage of air to condition
o?? Lower dormers ¨C less cubic feet to cool; less wall square footage to outside; increased insulation of area above dormers (double thickness)
During the heat of the day, on real hot days, we simply lowered the dormers and clipped them down.? This seemed to help with the A/C.
We decided to use sunscreen material on the outside to reduce heat gain.? The reflectix seems like a great product, but we wanted to be able to see out of the trailer while reducing the heat gain.? We purchased a roll of sunscreen material and cut pieces to fit our windows.? We live south of Houston, and the solar screens on our home work real well.
I found ¡°holes¡± in the floor through which utilities came into the trailer from the outside.? One was around the inlet for the gas line to the furnace.? From the inside I could look through the vent cover for the furnace and see daylight.? So I caulked from below any such leaks I found.? Around the door were also smaller leaks, especially where the wall folds down.? I used pieces of backer rod to stuff in there.?
?
Together, these activities allowed much better comfort in the heat.? The last thing I will do is think about how to best re-route the current flexible ducts to improve distribution of cool air.? If I come up with my take on a solution to the routing of ducts, I will certainly post again.
?
Products:
Backer rods are available in various diameters to fit different gaps.? These are closed cell and easy to push into the gaps around the seams/roof panel. ???? is a search that provides some options.
Suction clips are used to hold the pieces of sunscreen to the outside of the windows.? is an example of such clips.? They stick pretty well to the flat, smooth outside walls around the windows.? You may need to wipe off the dust from the wall before adhering, and slightly dampen the suction cup.
To Joe S - thanks for the suggestion about the Styrofoam panels.? I had not thought about this.? I will certainly look into doing something like this to my RV!
Thanks for the great discussion of this topic.
Steve S.
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Patricia,
I got a package of 3/4¡± styrofoam panels at Lowe¡¯s/Home Depot? I cut them with an old kitchen knife heated up. Most are friction fit between the 3/4¡± thick supports. Some needed to be held in place with a short screw and large plastic washer. ?
Stay cool,
JoeS
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Re: HB9000 Heat Pump Duct Modifications
Thank you Joe, for this suggestion.? I may give it a try.
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