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The good old days are a distant memory.?
I have had them reject coupons in the store so I don't ask anymore. If your store will let you use it, go for it, but mine won't.
On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 3:24?PM Charles Kinzer < ckinzer@...> wrote:
On this group (and/or the group that preceded it) I recall at least once somebody saying a store was willing to honor the 25% coupon even though it was an "excluded" item.
I also recall something like a Harbor Freight physical store will honor an online price that is lower than the store price if you bring a copy of it with you.
It couldn't hurt to ask, I guess.
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I forgot HF does with find print you can not read . Still upto there old treats?
Dave?
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On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 01:20:28 PM PST, BuffaloJohn <johndurbetaki@...> wrote:
The 25% coupon has exclusions:
"Coupon cannot be used with any of the following: <snip> Central Machinery, <snip> compressors, power stations, jacks, miter saws, safes, storage cabinets, carts, chests, or welders."
And that lathe is a "CENTRAL MACHINERY 7 in. x 12 in. Precision Benchtop Mini Lathe"
Always check the fine print, HF doesn't have coupons like they used to...
Why do I know this? I was going to pick up another magnetic pickup tool which is all of $13.99 and it is Central Machinery so no coupon for me...
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On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 1:03?PM davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:
I look at the 7x12 lathe $789.99
Today it is $799.99 a 25% off makes the lathe about $600.00?
Dave?
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Typically with finding lower price at HF or Grizzly I can find it elsewhere with the hassle of a discount at a good price.?
Like I said before Ebay returns could be a problem Next is Amazon or Walmart but I can return if need be. I just had problem with a shipment from Amazon took over to Kohls and getting new on on Wednesday.?
Dave?
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If you do not purchase from them for awhile, you may get the "We? missed you" coupon for 25% off almost everything that is good for a few days. When I got my first one I had wanted an item that was only in store but not at my store so no good. Turns out every month or so I have been getting that same email coupon. Figure they will stop sending it when I am ready to use it. Ron
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Don't know if this helps, but ebay has a 20% off coupon until 1/7 - NEWYEARDEAL.
Up to $500.? I don't know if you can use it to get 20% off the first $500 of a larger purchase...
On Monday, January 1st, 2024 at 8:35 PM, Ron Y <ryulick@...> wrote:
If you do not purchase from them for awhile, you may get the "We missed you" coupon for 25% off almost everything that is good for a few days. When I got my first one I had wanted an item that was only in store but not at my store so no good. Turns out every month or so I have been getting that same email coupon. Figure they will stop sending it when I am ready to use it.Ron
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Possibly nevermind about the ebay coupon.? It only applies on certain items.? Nothing I've tried to use it on has been eligble - YMMV.
On Monday, January 1st, 2024 at 9:27 PM, chrisser via groups.io <chris.kucia@...> wrote:
Don't know if this helps, but ebay has a 20% off coupon until 1/7 - NEWYEARDEAL.
Up to $500.? I don't know if you can use it to get 20% off the first $500 of a larger purchase...
On Monday, January 1st, 2024 at 8:35 PM, Ron Y <ryulick@...> wrote:
If you do not purchase from them for awhile, you may get the "We missed you" coupon for 25% off almost everything that is good for a few days. When I got my first one I had wanted an item that was only in store but not at my store so no good. Turns out every month or so I have been getting that same email coupon. Figure they will stop sending it when I am ready to use it.Ron
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The headstock alignment problem is easily?solved with a Morse-taper test bar.? (?).? I bought one several years ago and got my headstock into good enough alignment for anything I may want to do with my lathe.?
After you put the test bar in place, you check it with an indicator on the carriage in various places and shim the headstock until it's right.? And checking to be sure the test bar itself is correct is easy: roll it on a surface plate to ensure it's not warped, and indicate the end while rotating the spindle to make sure the taper is aligned correctly.
(And, yes, I know about the Rollie's Dad's Method and other schemes to check alignment without a test bar, but that's too complicated to do over and over and be SURE your did it right. Or at least it was for me).
As for dreaming of a better mini-lathe whose alignment you can be sure of, would you rather trust yourself to shim your headstock right or trust some guy in a factory in China who knows that the care he uses on any particular lathe won't add a single yuan to his pay packet? And if that guy could be encouraged to do a more careful job, how much more would you pay for that?? Thirty bucks for a test bar you may only use once seems a lot, but we've all spent that much on sillier things.
Mike Taglieri?
OK, let's be clear.? ?These 7x lathes have a very wide price spread, with no discernible difference in quality except to a lucky few that received a really good one, or alternatively meets their particular accuracy requirements.? ? Even the brushless motor, initially only seen on LMS and MM lathes, is available from lower priced vendors on amazon and ebay.? ?Any price variation is only at the discretion and desired profit of vendors.
There is one specific improvement that would not make for a large price increase and would be easily accomplished at the factory level.? ?And that is headstock alignment which is the most critical parameter for accuracy of many operations.? ?Extra time at this point when the lathe bed and headstock (with spindle installed) are mated would made a big difference in the performance and accuracy of the machine.? ? This is the single point that requires more QC, notwithstanding my experiences with mechanically seizures on run-in or DOA electronics.
All other deficiencies are secondary and much easier to correct or live with.
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HF does very occasionally have an actual no exclusions coupon. They had a 20% off coupon right before Christmas, that was actually 20% off anything. Seems like they do this a couple times a year, with the rest of the coupons either being limited to lower priced items, or excluding so many brands that they are only good for buying fuzzy dice and air fresheners.
On the no small affordable US made machines comment, you are overlooking Taig and Sherline, which are both based in the USA and still being made in the USA. Small, but good quality and still affordable, in fact more so now, since tariffs haven't pushed their prices up.
I am also happy to see Grizzly doing well. Without them and HF it would be a lot harder to find home shop sized industrial tools. Like the auto industry, in the 1980s the US iheavy manufacturing base chose to abandon the smaller size machine segment and focus on large industrial customers? instead of competing with the (then, mostly Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean) imports.
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??? ??? My store in Reno did honor the cheaper online price if ya
brought the online add . Can't say if they still do , the problem
with most HF's is they change managers like most people change
their underwear .
animal
On 1/1/24 3:24 PM, Charles Kinzer
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On this group (and/or the
group that preceded it) I recall at least once somebody saying
a store was willing to honor the 25% coupon even though it was
an "excluded" item.
I also recall something like
a Harbor Freight physical store will honor an online price
that is lower than the store price if you bring a copy of it
with you.
It couldn't hurt to ask, I
guess.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
The current coupons and the exceptions is one
reason I no longer really pay attention to them.
Also the reason my buying from hf has come to a near
stop. Once in awhile but not as before. The most
thing I buy is their cheap tarps. But yea, the
coupons and such are not as they used to be. Sad.
george
The 25% coupon has exclusions:
"Coupon cannot be used with any of
the following: <snip> Central
Machinery, <snip> compressors,
power stations, jacks, miter saws,
safes, storage cabinets, carts,
chests, or welders."
And that lathe is a "CENTRAL
MACHINERY 7 in. x 12 in. Precision
Benchtop Mini Lathe"
Always check the fine print, HF
doesn't have coupons like they used
to...
Why do I know this? I was going to
pick up another magnetic pickup tool
which is all of $13.99 and it is Central
Machinery so no coupon for me...
I look at the
7x12 lathe $789.99
Today it is $799.99 a 25% off makes the
lathe about $600.00?
Dave?
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This is an interesting conversation. I thought the main advantage of buying through a US middle man/retailer rather than directly from China, is the potential for quality control and easier returns. ?From what I am reading, that idea is not working out. ?I certainly think the local retailers would be in a position to demand real quality control before shipping and I do not imagine that some basic testing would be very expensive. ?If it helps the manufacturer's sales and also helps the retailer's sales it is likely to be a net WIN. ?
I have heard that it is difficult to get Chinese companies to do quality control because it is a big cultural issue to blame someone for bad or sloppy work, and ?no-one wants to point a finger.
I belong to the local "Inventor Center" who are planning to buy a Grizzly lathe with milling attachment. So we are about to find out! I thought it better to get a separate small mill, but apparently the decision has been made and locked in.
Evan
Lathe: 1955 Boxford Model A with screw cutting gearbox, power feed with several accessories, hand tools and a pillar drill press.
Try my Free Online Gear train Software:
You enter a thread pitch or TPI and it shows you a range of gear trains and gearbox setting to use and even a scale drawing of the gear train.
It also includes calculations for taper turning by the tailstock offset method, and cutting speeds.
It includes the specifications for many thread types eg metric, UNC, BSW, and BA.
Displays drill sizes for tapping threads at any percent thread depth (with full explanations).
My YouTube Channel and Playlist about using an engineers lathe: ?
Project to build a Greek Hero steam engine and measure its power output:?
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mike allen
Jan 2? ?
? ? ? ? My store in Reno did honor the cheaper online price if ya brought the online add . Can't say if they still do , the problem with most HF's is they change managers like most people change their underwear .
animal
That is one way get new underwear on manager.? It is problem today with upper management They think the store management can drive sale and profit.?? I rarely goto HF today they change from 20 years ago.? Dave?
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I have one of the old Homier/Speedway models back from somewhere around 2000-2002.? I've not found any terrible flaws with it - even back then, there was enough info to sorta know what to expect and I've always thought it was well worth what I paid - when you really need a lathe, there aren't many good alternatives.? Maker spaces or online prototyping weren't a thing back then and machine shops didn't want to deal with the small bits I was machining.
Recently I've been making a few mods and bought some replacement parts from Grizzly.? I've found the Grizzly parts to be as good as and usually better than the original parts.? I've bought a few things from LMS and have been happy with them too, but Grizzly tends to be a lot cheaper and the quality is there in my experience.? Of course, if you order anything painted, it's going to come green, but their green paint is significantly better than the blue paint-approximating substance that colored my old lathe.
I'd hope Grizzly's machines are as good as their parts, but I can't say.? I think if I were going to buy today, I'd either buy the cheapest around, which is probably Harbor Freight, or I'd buy a Grizzly on the other extreme and pester them under warranty until I was satisfied.
On Thursday, January 4th, 2024 at 6:09 PM, Evan <AEDLewis@...> wrote:
This is an interesting conversation. I thought the main advantage of buying through a US middle man/retailer rather than directly from China, is the potential for quality control and easier returns. ?From what I am reading, that idea is not working out. ?I certainly think the local retailers would be in a position to demand real quality control before shipping and I do not imagine that some basic testing would be very expensive. ?If it helps the manufacturer's sales and also helps the retailer's sales it is likely to be a net WIN. ?
I have heard that it is difficult to get Chinese companies to do quality control because it is a big cultural issue to blame someone for bad or sloppy work, and ?no-one wants to point a finger.
I belong to the local "Inventor Center" who are planning to buy a Grizzly lathe with milling attachment. So we are about to find out! I thought it better to get a separate small mill, but apparently the decision has been made and locked in.
Evan
Lathe: 1955 Boxford Model A with screw cutting gearbox, power feed with several accessories, hand tools and a pillar drill press.
Try my Free Online Gear train Software:
You enter a thread pitch or TPI and it shows you a range of gear trains and gearbox setting to use and even a scale drawing of the gear train.
It also includes calculations for taper turning by the tailstock offset method, and cutting speeds.
It includes the specifications for many thread types eg metric, UNC, BSW, and BA.
Displays drill sizes for tapping threads at any percent thread depth (with full explanations).
My YouTube Channel and Playlist about using an engineers lathe: ?
Project to build a Greek Hero steam engine and measure its power output:?
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Here is is simple tuning tool for tail quill.
Under $16.00.
Dave?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/MT2-Morse-Taper-Reamer-H8-Accuracy-Alloy-Tool-Steel-6-Flute-Straight-Shank-Finish-Hand-Reamer-Cutter-Milling-Tool/967532876?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=571&adid=22222222223000000000_3614603750_pla&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=m&wl3=10352200394&wl4=pla-1103028060075&wl5=&wl6=&wl7=&wl10=Walmart&wl11=Online&wl12=967532876_10000000599&wl14=%232%20morse%20tapper%20reamer&veh=sem&msclkid=89dd7357a034124b013f16c0ca26c856&gclid=89dd7357a034124b013f16c0ca26c856&gclsrc=3p.ds
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Harbor Freight is currently having a 30% off No Exclusions sale - 01/12 to 01-15
ralphie
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The only stipulation is that it is for only 1 item.
ralphie
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However - the fine print says it is for items priced at or under $19.99.
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If you either leave a high priced item in your cart at HF or have shopped a lot there and no longer do, they will send you a "WE'VE MISSED YOU - HERE'S YOUR 25% OFF COUPON!"
It is for in-store only and on in stock items. It applies to basically every item, not for things like inside membership fees, etc. How do I know? I have been getting them for the last few months but the item must be in stock at the store. I cannot drive to other stores so...
Good Luck
Ron
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I'll have to try that.? I've wanted one of those 20 ton presses, but every time it's on sale, it's out of stock in my local store...
On Friday, January 12th, 2024 at 10:32 AM, Ron Y <ryulick@...> wrote:
If you either leave a high priced item in your cart at HF or have shopped a lot there and no longer do, they will send you a "WE'VE MISSED YOU - HERE'S YOUR 25% OFF COUPON!"
It is for in-store only and on in stock items. It applies to basically every item, not for things like inside membership fees, etc. How do I know? I have been getting them for the last few months but the item must be in stock at the store. I cannot drive to other stores so...
Good Luck
Ron
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chrisser 7:39am? ?
I'll have to try that. I've wanted one of those 20 ton presses, but every time it's on sale, it's out of stock in my local store
I would built my own cost more but heavy duty and electric powered. There is HF too. Dave?
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