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4x6 Bandsaw

popwri2002
 

I bought my 4x6 from HF about 3 months ago for $99.00 and love it.
It sure beats the hack saw. I don't use it everyday but it sure is
nice to know it's sitting there waiting for me.I haven't had any
problems with it so far.I have done a few mods. to it. Just buy one
and have fun watching it do the work.

Bill


Re: Metal Cutting Bandsaws

Clint D
 

Pete
I bought on eat HF for 99.00 a couple of months ago, so far it has been fine

Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: "peppermark1" <pmark@...>
To: <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Metal Cutting Bandsaws


Dear Friends....Looking to purchase a small 4X6 size metal cutting
bandsaw. Would like to hear any input from other fellow enthusiasts
that have purchased Grizzly/Jet/HF and any other makes. The best
value I've found so far has been the HF. Please feel free to share
your experiences. Any insight, direction, assistance or
recommendations you can offer will be appreciated. You may email me
direct if you choose.Thank you all for taking the time to review this
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Re: Metal Cutting Bandsaws

 

Hi Pete,

I have the 4 x 6 HF model. I am very happy with it's performance. Arrived
mostly assembled. I easily completed the rest of the assembly in less than
an hour. It cut's metal like nobody's business.
I have a Lennox (?) bi-metal blade and band aide fluid arriving Tuesday from
J&L.
I use mine almost on a daily basis. I have a small business that I need it
for. What I would do differently ?? I would save up some more loot and buy
the first size up that comes with a fluid cooling system and a larger/better
motor.

As it is, I will be doing what this fellow has done:


I think I will buy a cart rather than make one. HF has a fluid system as
does Enco and J&L too.
With so much use, I think a fluid system added to it will help.
The next step is to replace the motor with a better one if this one dies at
some point.

FWIW/IMHO
Lenord

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Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Metal Cutting Bandsaws


Dear Friends....Looking to purchase a small 4X6 size metal cutting
bandsaw. Would like to hear any input from other fellow enthusiasts
that have purchased Grizzly/Jet/HF and any other makes. The best
value I've found so far has been the HF. Please feel free to share
your experiences. Any insight, direction, assistance or
recommendations you can offer will be appreciated. You may email me
direct if you choose.Thank you all for taking the time to review this
request. Kindest Regards - Pete pmark@...


Metal Cutting Bandsaws

peppermark1
 

Dear Friends....Looking to purchase a small 4X6 size metal cutting
bandsaw. Would like to hear any input from other fellow enthusiasts
that have purchased Grizzly/Jet/HF and any other makes. The best
value I've found so far has been the HF. Please feel free to share
your experiences. Any insight, direction, assistance or
recommendations you can offer will be appreciated. You may email me
direct if you choose.Thank you all for taking the time to review this
request. Kindest Regards - Pete pmark@...


Re: Material buying warning! [long]

 

OUCH ...the price of progress?
Cheers,
Cletus

dswr@... wrote:
Thanks for the warning, David.

Seems a lot of places build their business on small orders, but if they
get into industrial supply, they don't want to deal with the people that
helped them get started. (orders too small to deal with)

Leo (pearland, tx)



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Re: Material buying warning! [long]

 

Thanks for the warning, David.

Seems a lot of places build their business on small orders, but if they
get into industrial supply, they don't want to deal with the people that
helped them get started. (orders too small to deal with)

Leo (pearland, tx)


Material buying warning! [long]

David
 

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I've just had a bad experience ordering some small pieces of metal, and I want to share it with the groups. I'm sure many of you have ordered from the same source. They have recently had a policy change that discriminates against the home hobbyist.

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I'm talking about the folks at Metal Express. If you look on the Sherline page [http://www.sherline.com/online.htm], you'll see URLs for "Metalmart.com" and "Metal Buyer's Mart." Both URLs will re-direct you to
.

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I've been buying brass, aluminum, and steel pieces from them for nearly three years now. Although their web site has gone through several iterations, they've always had the following pricing procedure: the metal was priced by the inch, you specified the length of the piece in inches, and you entered the quantity. You did the simple arithmetic and filled in the price. [For example, 12L14 rod x .75 @ $.23/inch, length 4 inches, quantity 2,? would result in $1.84.] There was no cutting charge unless you wanted a ridiculous number of cuts. There was a fixed charge of $9.00 for "handling and cutting," no matter the amount of the order or the number of pieces. The shipping charge was extra, by UPS standard, and always seemed to come out at $5.85 on my orders. This was the state of affairs as recently as early April.

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Over this past Memorial Day weekend, I needed to place a small order (4 items, 7 pieces) that I knew would be expensive per piece because of the one-time charge, but I needed the items now and didn't want to buy anything else just for "stock."

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As soon as the software re-directed me to the new site, I knew there was something wrong: the price per inch was no longer displayed. Now you specify the item, the length, and the quantity and put it in the "shopping cart." The software does the calculation and shows you the price. Not really thinking too much about it, I filled out the order, placed it, and printed the details of the order.

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Subconsciously, I guess, I got to worrying that something wasn't right. When I reviewed the order, I found that a piece of brass flat, .5 x 1 x 3 was going to cost me $3.34/inch, and there was a "handling" fee of $5.00 and "shipping" of $5.33 in addition! The total for 5 pieces of steel and 2 pieces of brass came to $49.48! I resolved to call Metal Express' customer service this past Tuesday morning and question the situation.

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Sure enough, there has been a policy change: the goods are no longer sold by the inch, but by the pound. The representative explained the change as the result of large industrial firms' complaints. When I observed that the company was deserting the little guy, he said certainly not, the little guys had made their business. When I asked him how he wasn't deserting us by changing a policy to suit big businesses and to discriminate against individuals, he asked me whether I wanted to talk to the CEO. When I asked him whether the CEO would likely change the policy, he said probably not; then I asked him why I should listen to the same explanation on my long-distance bill. He had no answer.

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He assured me that he would cancel the order.

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I later placed the same order with a firm on the same Sherline page for less than half of Metal Express' price.

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I know that this has gotten long, but I thought it would be worth the bandwidth to warn long-time, habitual buyers from this company to examine the differences in prices between what you ordered two months ago and what you order today.

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Dave Wood


Re: Cutting hardwood

 

Thanks Chris,

most of the time i am cutting wood vertikal. Saw shapes...


Howie


--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., Chris Baugher

<cbaugher_yahoo@b...> wrote:

On Thu, 22 May 2003, howie_meier wrote:

i am just bevore to by a 4x6bandsaw. I cut some steel and sometimes
hardwood (oak, bankirai, teak). Is such a saq also good for cutting
wood. I know that the m/min for the blade at a desired woodsaw is
10 times faster than the one for metall.
I've cut wood with my 4x6 and it works fine. It cuts slower because the
blade is too fine, but that's ok because I can set it up to cut and it
turns itself off automatically. It's not very stable as a vertical saw so
I don't use it that way. If you need a vertical bandsaw it would be best
to get one made only for that.

C|


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Re: Chinese fasteners and miscellaneous

r-evans4
 

The clamp to secure the work to be cut has a movable jaw. This jaw slides in a
slot which is machined into the base. Below it is a flat plate which slides
below the slot. These two pieces are held together with a cap screw.
When my saw arrived, I found that if I tightened down this cap screw, it
made the movable jaw immovable. However, I made a metal spacer which fits
between the movable jaw and the plate which slides below it. The spacer has a
hole through it to accomodate the cap screw.By adjusting the thickness of the
spacer I was able to tighten the cap screw fully, and still move the movable
jaw back and forth.
The bottom of the slot is not machined. You may have to barber some
material off the bottom of the slot to allow the movable jaw+spacer+flat
plate+cap screw to slide back and forth easily. Fortunately, I did not need to
do this.
I hope this expanded explanation helps.
Rupert


Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 02:19:54 -0000
From: "Paul" <proosta@...>
Subject: Re: Chinese fasteners and miscellaneous

You need to make a spacer to fit above the clamp screw so that there
is a minimum amount of slop in the movable vise jaw

Kindly splain.

Paul R



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Re: Chinese fasteners and miscellaneous

Paul
 

You need to make a spacer to fit above the clamp screw so that there
is a minimum amount of slop in the movable vise jaw

Kindly splain.

Paul R


Re: Blade welders/jig

S. Foo
 

This rolled by a few weeks ago...



Might be of interest.

--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., "Barry Nesheim" <wcbarry@h...>
wrote:
It seems to me that HSM and or MW at one time published a project
to make your own jig to braze saw blades.now exactly what issue..that
I don't know,but surely there is someone in this group who has that
info..
Wcbarry


Re: Chinese fasteners and miscellaneous

r-evans4
 

It is not correct that all Chinese machine tools have metric fasteners. My HF
4x6 bandsaw has mostly fractional inch fasteners. The screws which form the
pivot for the motor mount, however, have a bastard thread which is 1/2"
diameter and fewer than 13 threads per inch. One of these screws was missing,
but a 1/2-13 UNC cap screw fitted the sheet metal captive "nut."
There is no stop to maintain the saw in an upright position. I took a
seven-inch-long piece of 1/8 x 1 flat stock, drilled a #19 hole 1.25" from one
end, laid it flat on the table near its end below the motor, pivoted it on an
8-32 screw tapped into the table, and filed a bit off the top of one corner.
Now when the saw is vertical, I rotate this steel bar to fit one corner under
the cast arm which holds the big spring. This locks the saw in a vertical
position, and is out of the way during normal use.
You need to make a spacer to fit above the clamp screw so that there is a
minimum amount of slop in the movable vise jaw. My saw came with no spacer, so
that the moveable vise jaw was immovable or floppy, depending on how tight its
hold-down screw was adjusted.
I braced the legs and put a 6-32 screw on the face of one leg to serve as
a hanger for the saw table when it is not in use. Some people make a new
table, but I find the one that was supplied to be adequate.
After these mocifications, this is a better saw than the U.S. made Wells
that I used in the shop many years ago.
Rupert

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Re: Blade welders/jig

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It seems to me that HSM and or MW at one time published a project to make your own jig to braze saw blades¡­now exactly what issue..that I don't know,but surely there is someone in this group who has that info..
Wcbarry

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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Blade welders/jig

In a message dated 5/23/2003 9:09:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, driggars@... writes:


Any one know good places to look for the saw blade welders and jigs?


I braze my blades and made a jig. The jig is only a block wider than as the blade with a space about 2 X 2 inches cut in the middle. The block is wider than the blade so screws can be drilled and tapped into the top.? Four holes for two clamps to hold the blade in place. I grind the ends of the blade to a bevel with a dremel tool put the blade under the clamps with the bevels touching. I take a short piece of silver solder and put it between the beveled ends (pounding the silver solder to almost foil thickness.) Adding flux and heat there is your blade all in one piece again. Use the Dremel to clean up any solder that got away from the joint.
I think there are several outfits that make the clamps and come in a kit complete with silver solder foil and a gauge to grind the bevels.

John in the high desert of California
12 inch Atlas
Mini Mill
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Re: source for lennox diemaster II blades?

 

I live down in Trinidad, West Indies, so my source would be of little good to to anyone in North America. However, Lenox is a top manufacturer of saw blades so a little research (yellow pages, internet, etc.) would certainly turn up a dealer in your area.
Sorry I can't be of furthet help.
Cheers, Cletus 9Z4CLB

vaysam wrote:
Would anybody like to share their source for lennox diemaster II
blades I keep hearing about?? Either phone/internet order or San
Diego or LA would be helpful.

Thanks,
Vay



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Re: A sanity check

Chris Baugher
 

On Fri, 23 May 2003 sepost@... wrote:

I picked up one of these 4x6 saws from a local store the other day and
I want to make sure they're truly all the same.
What store did it come from? I have the HF 4x6.

Comparing mine with
the manual on the HF site it looks like the castings are the same. The
question I have is about "fit & finish". On mine the screws are of
very poor quality - the recesses on two set screws stripped out under
moderate pressure when putting on the belt pulleys. The screws holding the
capacitor cover to the motor were loose and when I snugged them up the
Philips slots almost stripped - I've never encountered such soft screws.
Yeah, most of the chinese tools are like that. My lathe was the same way.

The blade support bearings aren't shiney, instead having minor scratches
on their surfaces.
Mine are the same.

The motor says 3/4hp on the cover plate.
The motor that comes stock on the 4x6 is kindof a joke. I just looked on
mine and it says 1 HP, which is absurd! They have a tendency to overheat.
A couple weeks ago I bought a 1/3 HP replacement motor also from HF
($29.99), and it works way better; smoother, quieter, and cooler. The 1/3
HP is probably even realistic. Only thing is the new motor has a smaller
shaft so I had to make a sleeve, but no big deal.

It starts
and runs with the belt disconnected but won't start with the belt on. It
just sits and hums.
Someone mentioned the capacitor, sounds like it to me also.

I can turn the driven pulley by hand and it doesn't
seem like a lot of resistance. I adjusted the blade tension, bearing
clearance, and drive belt tension and none make a difference, so at the
very least I need a new motor.
Yeah, definitely something with the motor.

I'm taking the saw back to the store today for a replacement so I'll get
new setscrews, blade bearings, and motor, but I'm wondering if I should
just get a refund and buy one somewhere else. Are these kinds of things
expected on all these saws or would I be better off getting one from HF?
Does HF do better quality control and use better fasteners and motors?
The HF is probably not a whole lot better. But the quality control on
these Asian tools varies widely. Somethimes you get one that's perfect,
other times you don't.

If this is the kind of quality to expect regardless of importer then I'll
just buckle down and have the store replace this one. It's not too big
a deal to replace all the fasteners with decent quality ones and even a
new motor if I have to, but if I'll get all that right out of the box
from HF I'd rather go that route.
Either way if you get one for around $200, it's worth every penny, even if
it needs some tuning. It saves SO much time and energy. Even after
having it for several months I still like to watch it while it's happily
cutting away.
I guess it's the simple things...

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Re: source for lennox diemaster II blades?

Ralph Meiser
 

--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., "vaysam" <vaysam@y...> wrote:
Would anybody like to share their source for lennox diemaster II
blades I keep hearing about? Either phone/internet order or San
Diego or LA would be helpful.

Thanks,
Vay
Here is a partial list of what J&L Industrial has available. You can
find them at www.jlindustrial.com. The rule for blades is a minimum
of 3 teeth in the part, so an 18 tooth will handle down to about 1/8"
a 10/14 variable will handle up to about 3/8". I like the 6/10
variable for heavier stock, especially aluminum to get the chips out.
Even at these prices these blades are a bargain because of theit
longevity
Ralph Meiser

XFR-80157-L
(99 %)

5' 4 X 1/2 X .0250 X 10/14T
DIEMASTER BANDSAW BLADE
MANUFACTURER: LENOX
Price: $21.35/EA

XFR-80159-C
(99 %)

5' 4 X 1/2 X .0250 X 18T
LENOX DIEMASTER BANDSAW BLADE
MANUFACTURER: LENOX
Price: $21.35/EA

XFR-80366-J
(99 %)

5' 4 X 1/2 X .0350 X 10T
LENOX DIEMASTER BANDSAW BLADE
MANUFACTURER: LENOX
Price: $21.35/EA

XFR-81448-C
(99 %)

5' 4 X 1/2 X .0250 X 6/10T
DIEMASTER BANDSAW BLADE
MANUFACTURER: LENOX
Price: $21.35/EA


Re: Blade welders/jig

 

In a message dated 5/23/2003 9:09:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, driggars@... writes:


Any one know good places to look for the saw blade welders and jigs?


I braze my blades and made a jig. The jig is only a block wider than as the blade with a space about 2 X 2 inches cut in the middle. The block is wider than the blade so screws can be drilled and tapped into the top.? Four holes for two clamps to hold the blade in place. I grind the ends of the blade to a bevel with a dremel tool put the blade under the clamps with the bevels touching. I take a short piece of silver solder and put it between the beveled ends (pounding the silver solder to almost foil thickness.) Adding flux and heat there is your blade all in one piece again. Use the Dremel to clean up any solder that got away from the joint.
I think there are several outfits that make the clamps and come in a kit complete with silver solder foil and a gauge to grind the bevels.

John in the high desert of California
12 inch Atlas
Mini Mill
Rusty file


Re: A sanity check

 

In a message dated 5/23/2003 4:32:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, sepost@... writes:


Does HF do better quality control and use better fasteners and motors?



From what I hear and see on the list, HF is not one of the best sources for Asian tools. It seems that buying tools from the normal importers is kind of a crap shoot. You may luck out and get a good one, or your luck can run the other way.


source for lennox diemaster II blades?

 

Would anybody like to share their source for lennox diemaster II
blades I keep hearing about? Either phone/internet order or San
Diego or LA would be helpful.

Thanks,
Vay