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Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

Here is the Groups.io transfer instructions link:

/yahootransfer

*All* transfers require the 1-year Premium account payment of $110. This
was instituted several months ago. If your group has less than 1 GB of
files, attachments & photos you can revert back to a free account. The
safe deadline to initiate a transfer is December 1st.

Also note, there has been some problem at Yahoo with accessing some
groups' photos so it's possible they could take longer or not be
possible to transfer in time.

Drew

On 10/19/19 05:11, 'Robert Downs' wa5cab@... [4x6bandsaw] wrote:

OK.? The three groups that I helped move 20 months ago were either
already over or no-where near the 1GB threshold.? If this group is
close, it¡¯s safer to go ahead with the paid group.? Also, our move was
in early 2018.? Groups.io didn¡¯t charge us anything direct for the move
of the two free groups.? I haven¡¯t checked recently but they didn¡¯t at
that time charge anything for the move.? That may or may not have changed.

Although I could not find the email, I understand that someone posted
the address for the Atlas-Craftsman group¡¯s PayPal account as an EXAMPLE
of how one COULD be set up.? PLEASE don¡¯t anyone else misunderstand that
it is NOT for the 4X6 Group.? So far, 6 people misunderstood and made a
donation and then asked for it back.? And so far, I have given them back
their full $10 or $12 even though due to PayPal recently changing the
rules, we are out 59 or 65 cents in PP fees for each error.? But now
that I have told everyone NOT to do it again, the next time someone pays
$10.00 to the wrong account, they are only going to get back $9.41.? It
is simply not fair to the people in the A-C Group to make them pay for
someone else¡¯s mistake.

Also, I do not have any idea where that ¡°Sabre Sailboats¡± came from.
Last time that I logged into the account, it said something like
¡°Atlas-Craftsman Machine Tools¡±, which is the focus of the Group.
Obviously some PayPal mistake.

Robert Downs

*From:*4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
*Sent:* Saturday, October 19, 2019 02:39
*To:* 4x6bandsaw@...
*Subject:* Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: [4x6bandsaw]
ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.




As far as I can tell, we are a little under the 1GB limit.? And I
suspect that a lot of the photos could be cleaned out to give us more
room.? But, as I understand it, if you go with the the smaller paid
account, groups.io will take care of moving the data and membership over.

I am in a couple of groups that migrated a couple of years ago and it is
totally transparent to the user.? They just have to remember to change
the email address if they originate a new message (replies go to the new
address automatically..)

Ken Meinken
Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

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OK.? The three groups that I helped move 20 months ago were either already over or no-where near the 1GB threshold.? If this group is close, it¡¯s safer to go ahead with the paid group.? Also, our move was in early 2018.? Groups.io didn¡¯t charge us anything direct for the move of the two free groups.? I haven¡¯t checked recently but they didn¡¯t at that time charge anything for the move.? That may or may not have changed.

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Although I could not find the email, I understand that someone posted the address for the Atlas-Craftsman group¡¯s PayPal account as an EXAMPLE of how one COULD be set up.? PLEASE don¡¯t anyone else misunderstand that it is NOT for the 4X6 Group.? So far, 6 people misunderstood and made a donation and then asked for it back.? And so far, I have given them back their full $10 or $12 even though due to PayPal recently changing the rules, we are out 59 or 65 cents in PP fees for each error.? But now that I have told everyone NOT to do it again, the next time someone pays $10.00 to the wrong account, they are only going to get back $9.41.? It is simply not fair to the people in the A-C Group to make them pay for someone else¡¯s mistake.

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Also, I do not have any idea where that ¡°Sabre Sailboats¡± came from.? Last time that I logged into the account, it said something like ¡°Atlas-Craftsman Machine Tools¡±, which is the focus of the Group.? Obviously some PayPal mistake.

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Robert Downs

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 02:39
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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As far as I can tell, we are a little under the 1GB limit.? And I suspect that a lot of the photos could be cleaned out to give us more room.? But, as I understand it, if you go with the the smaller paid account, groups.io will take care of moving the data and membership over.?

I am in a couple of groups that migrated a couple of years ago and it is totally transparent to the user.? They just have to remember to change the email address if they originate a new message (replies go to the new address automatically.)

Ken Meinken
Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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As far as I can tell, we are a little under the 1GB limit.? And I suspect that a lot of the photos could be cleaned out to give us more room.? But, as I understand it, if you go with the the smaller paid account, groups.io will take care of moving the data and membership over.?

I am in a couple of groups that migrated a couple of years ago and it is totally transparent to the user.? They just have to remember to change the email address if they originate a new message (replies go to the new address automatically.)

Ken Meinken


On 10/19/19 2:59 AM, 'Robert Downs' wa5cab@... [4x6bandsaw] wrote:

No.? First find out how much storage space is required.? Groups.io does not count the space taken up for messages/posts/conversations except maybe the space chewed up by all of the attachments and copies of attachments.? I forget about that fine point).? But mostly just the files and photos.? If that still pushes you over the limit, then set up your own paypal account (and please tell your jumping the gun members to quit sending money to the Atlas-Craftsman+owner account on PayPal.? Every time they send $10.00, the A-C list loses 59 cents when I refund it.? And one of them filed an Item Not Received Dispute that I am still trying to straighten out).

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Robert Downs

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 17:20
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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Ryan and group

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There has been interest expressed in migrating the group to groups.io

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Joe and I have already secured a group name there to start the process.? The next step is to upgrade the group to a premium subscription for one year.? This has a cost of $110 not sure if that is USD or CDN.? If the group has less than 1 gb of data used we can drop back to a free plan after the year is up.

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As I have 20 odd groups I am dealing with I can not afford to bear the whole cost of this.

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If members want to contribute towards this it would be appreciated once I have collected the funds I will proceed with the migration process.

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An etransfer will probably work the best, mark it as 4x6bandsaw group.

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Walter Townsend, TTDr

Starlight Tools

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Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

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No.? First find out how much storage space is required.? Groups.io does not count the space taken up for messages/posts/conversations except maybe the space chewed up by all of the attachments and copies of attachments.? I forget about that fine point).? But mostly just the files and photos.? If that still pushes you over the limit, then set up your own paypal account (and please tell your jumping the gun members to quit sending money to the Atlas-Craftsman+owner account on PayPal.? Every time they send $10.00, the A-C list loses 59 cents when I refund it.? And one of them filed an Item Not Received Dispute that I am still trying to straighten out).

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Robert Downs

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 17:20
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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Ryan and group

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There has been interest expressed in migrating the group to groups.io

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Joe and I have already secured a group name there to start the process.? The next step is to upgrade the group to a premium subscription for one year.? This has a cost of $110 not sure if that is USD or CDN.? If the group has less than 1 gb of data used we can drop back to a free plan after the year is up.

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As I have 20 odd groups I am dealing with I can not afford to bear the whole cost of this.

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If members want to contribute towards this it would be appreciated once I have collected the funds I will proceed with the migration process.

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An etransfer will probably work the best, mark it as 4x6bandsaw group.

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Walter Townsend, TTDr

Starlight Tools

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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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I'm going to hand this one off to someone else.? If someone wants to spearhead a migration, I will be happy to cheer that effort.

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Re: funding 4x6bandsaw mailing list on groups.io

 

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Thanks Steve, looking forward to any response.

Joe Melhorn

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Thank you to Joe and Walter for setting up this new group. I've sent a message to support on groups.io to see if there is anyway of implementing a system for group uses to donate directly to the running of the premium service on groups.io for their specific mailing list. I'm assuming collecting the funding is a problematic issue for a lot of public information groups like ours and it would be in groups.io best interest if they could provide a solution to help. I'll let you know if I get any replies.

Thanks again.
Steve
Tauranga
New Zealand.
funding 4x6bandsaw mailing list on groups.io

[email protected]
 

Thank you to Joe and Walter for setting up this new group. I've sent a message to support on groups.io to see if there is anyway of implementing a system for group uses to donate directly to the running of the premium service on groups.io for their specific mailing list. I'm assuming collecting the funding is a problematic issue for a lot of public information groups like ours and it would be in groups.io best interest if they could provide a solution to help. I'll let you know if I get any replies.

Thanks again.
Steve
Tauranga
New Zealand.
Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

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I have been out of town for the past several days and have not yet caught up with the back emails.? Probably someone else has already pointed this out, but there is already a place where the entire Group can be moved, including files, photos and posts all of the way back to the beginning.? The site is groups.io and they have three ¡°tiers¡± of membership, based on how much storage space is needed.? The first tier, which is either 0.5 gb or 1.0 gb (reason that I can¡¯t recall is that one group that I helped move was comfortably below 0.5 and another was above 1.0)? but anyway, the smallest is free.? The next is in round numbers $10/month.? Then there is a third significantly more expensive.? For the larger of the two groups, I ¡°passed the hat¡± and got enough donations to cover the monthly cost for more than five years.? For the smaller, we didn¡¯t need to so didn¡¯t.? Anyway, you basically must be an Owner of the Yahoo group that is to be moved.? They ask you to add a Member (name provided by them) and give ¡°him¡± certain Moderator rights.? The owner applies for membership at groups.io and adds and sets up a group.? When he/she has everything set up, including the tier size details, groups.io is notified and in a few days, they copy everything in the old group to the new one, including all of the members except as I recall any who were in either the Bouncing or the Banned lists.? Then the Owner logs into the old group on Yahoo and locks it down so that no orphan posts, files or photos are later added to the old group.? When we moved the largest group, it took groups.io two tries to get it all, thanks to Yahoo problems.? But we did get it all.

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Robert Downs

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 15:43
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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Hi guys,

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Yahoo's finally kicking us out!??

It's been a nice long run.? Way back when I started this it was just to keep all my notes and maybe see if anyone else had a few more.? Turns out a lot of you do.??As the "owner" of this group, I've requested a download of the data.? At some point when that arrives, I will see what all it actually contains and send an update if that's the whole shebang or whatnot.??

As I'm not as involved in the machining world anymore, I'm pretty open to what happens next.? If there's a place everyone wants to ship things off to, great.? Or I can forward a copy of the relevant data to somewhere or upload to google drive or....?? We have a bit of time to figure it out.??



Anyways, thank you all for stopping by, and feel free to stick around until they actually want to boot us for sure and lock the doors.??



May your cuts all be straight and true,?



Ryan
Re: Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

Ralph Hulslander
 

Walter, PayPal would be easier for most of us!

Ralph

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 6:20 PM 'Walter Townsend' starlight_tools@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:
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Ryan and group
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There has been interest expressed in migrating the group to
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Joe and I have already secured a group name there to start the process.? The next step is to upgrade the group to a premium subscription for one year.? This has a cost of $110 not sure if that is USD or CDN.? If the group has less than 1 gb of data used we can drop back to a free plan after the year is up.
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As I have 20 odd groups I am dealing with I can not afford to bear the whole cost of this.
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If members want to contribute towards this it would be appreciated once I have collected the funds I will proceed with the migration process.
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An etransfer will probably work the best, mark it as 4x6bandsaw group.
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Walter Townsend, TTDr
Starlight Tools
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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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I'm going to hand this one off to someone else.? If someone wants to spearhead a migration, I will be happy to cheer that effort.




Virus-free.

Fundraising to switch to groups.io was Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

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Ryan and group
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There has been interest expressed in migrating the group to groups.io
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Joe and I have already secured a group name there to start the process.? The next step is to upgrade the group to a premium subscription for one year.? This has a cost of $110 not sure if that is USD or CDN.? If the group has less than 1 gb of data used we can drop back to a free plan after the year is up.
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As I have 20 odd groups I am dealing with I can not afford to bear the whole cost of this.
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If members want to contribute towards this it would be appreciated once I have collected the funds I will proceed with the migration process.
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An etransfer will probably work the best, mark it as 4x6bandsaw group.
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Walter Townsend, TTDr
Starlight Tools
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

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I'm going to hand this one off to someone else.? If someone wants to spearhead a migration, I will be happy to cheer that effort.




Virus-free.

Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

since I am really slow at this is there a way to retain everyone's files for later reference?
I have learned a lot here but still so much to pick up.

how do I save all these to file?

thank you
casca
Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

Thank you so much for compiling the info. I wouldn¡¯t feel any obligation to ask permission from Yahoo. They have certainly not asked anyone for permission to get information from us
Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

Chris Hibbert
 

Elizabeth, thanks for making the dropbox folder.


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 6:12 PM Elizabeth Greene elizabeth.a.greene@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:
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I pulled the files and photos this morning and have a .zip here:

It's 86MB.? I should have asked permission first before mirroring it, but in archiving forgiveness is the easier ask.? :)

Do you want me to pull all the messages too?? I don't know if I can, but I can try.

Sidebar: If you want me to pull any other machining related groups, email me directly at elizabeth.a.greene@... and I'll see what I can do.
Re: Thanks!

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If I can piggyback, I¡¯d also like to thank Joe for doing this. I don¡¯t even own the 4x6 saw yet but was heavily researching it on the yahoo group for only a few weeks before the announcement about yahoo eliminating the groups. I¡¯m looking forward to learning more and then getting my saw. Thanks again!
Thanks Joe Melhorn for Creating the Group

 

Thanks for doing this, Joe.? If I can help getting files moved over, I am willing, as long as someone tells me exactly what to do.

"I searched Groups.io for 4x6bandsaw and it was available. I went ahead and created it. I am now the sole moderator. If the moderator for this y4x6bandsaw@... group will contact me off-list at toyman (at) sbcglobal (dot) net, I will try to help facilitate getting the group files moved over. Right now you can go to groupps.io and search for 4x6bandsaw and join. That nmay be the only way to get members over to the new site.
Regards,
Joe Melhorn
Sahuarita, AZ"
Just Joined!

 

Thanks for setting up the group. Looking forward to the transition.
new foundations

 

glad to see the move take place.
Re: ATTENTION: Yahoo discontinuing group files, photos, messages, etc.

 

Thank You!
Thanks!

Jim Frame
 

...for setting this up.

I'm a new owner of a Harbor Freight 4x6, so new that it's still in the box awaiting completion of my garage shop reorganization.? I look forward to modifying it for regular and robust use as a vertical saw, as that's the way I expect to use it most.
new group

 

And this might just be the first post ! Oops , there was an address issue with my first try . Let's see if this one goes thru - BTW , there's a link on the .io homepage for migrating a group ...
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I created a 4x6bandsaw group at .IO

 

I searched Groups.io for 4x6bandsaw and it was available. I went ahead and created it. I am now the sole moderator. If the moderator for this y4x6bandsaw@... group will contact me off-list at toyman (at) sbcglobal (dot) net, I will try to help facilitate getting the group files moved over. Right now you can go to groupps.io and search for 4x6bandsaw and join. That nmay be the only way to get members over to the new site.
Regards,
Joe Melhorn
Sahuarita, AZ
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