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Re: HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

 

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Vay,
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Underwriters Laboratories. If I had the option to get a better motor from the start, I would. this one works, but it gets hot after 15 minutes of use. I kinda am worried about it.
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Mine says it is a 4 1/2" X 6".............
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BTW, those folks that recommend checking the worm gear lube in the gearbox.......Mine came with a visible watertight seal on the gearbox and it was filled with gear oil. Worm gear is still in good shape after a lot of use. Maybe the makers monitored the group :o)
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FWIW
Lenord
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----- Original Message -----
From: Vay Sam
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

Hi all,
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I just joined the group.
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I have question about the Enco 5x6 (Item# BG505-6840) bandsaw.? (on sale for $169.99 - free shippping coupon)?
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1) Does anyone have one??
2) Does it really have a larger capacity then the HF 4x6 (on sale for $169.99 - always free shipping)?
3) Is one a higher quality machine than the other?
4) Would it be worth it to spend the extra $30 to get the enco BG505-6841 which comes with the "UL" motor?
5) What is a "UL" motor?
?
Thanks for all your help!
-Vay
?
?
?
Can you tell me if Item# BG505-6840 comes with a motor? BG505-6841
?
If so, what is the difference between that and the BG505-6841 with "UL" motor?


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Re: HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

 

Wow!? $129?? Would you still happen to have the ad?

Clint D wrote:
Vay
they will be the same machine, just different paint, decals
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HF had theirs on sale for 129.00 and if there is one local to you, just go talk to the manager and tell him you could not make it in time and ask him if he will help you out, I bet they will still sell it for the sale price
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If you can not, then either one but enco's shipping will be quicker than HF
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Clint
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----- Original Message -----
From: Vay Sam
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

Hi all,
?
I just joined the group.
?
I have question about the Enco 5x6 (Item# BG505-6840) bandsaw.? (on sale for $169.99 - free shippping coupon)?
?
1) Does anyone have one??
2) Does it really have a larger capacity then the HF 4x6 (on sale for $169.99 - always free shipping)?
3) Is one a higher quality machine than the other?
4) Would it be worth it to spend the extra $30 to get the enco BG505-6841 which comes with the "UL" motor?
5) What is a "UL" motor?
?
Thanks for all your help!
-Vay
?
?
?
Can you tell me if Item# BG505-6840 comes with a motor? BG505-6841
?
If so, what is the difference between that and the BG505-6841 with "UL" motor?


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Re: HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

Clint D
 

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Vay
they will be the same machine, just different paint, decals
?
HF had theirs on sale for 129.00 and if there is one local to you, just go talk to the manager and tell him you could not make it in time and ask him if he will help you out, I bet they will still sell it for the sale price
?
If you can not, then either one but enco's shipping will be quicker than HF
?
Clint
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----- Original Message -----
From: Vay Sam
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

Hi all,
?
I just joined the group.
?
I have question about the Enco 5x6 (Item# BG505-6840) bandsaw.? (on sale for $169.99 - free shippping coupon)?
?
1) Does anyone have one??
2) Does it really have a larger capacity then the HF 4x6 (on sale for $169.99 - always free shipping)?
3) Is one a higher quality machine than the other?
4) Would it be worth it to spend the extra $30 to get the enco BG505-6841 which comes with the "UL" motor?
5) What is a "UL" motor?
?
Thanks for all your help!
-Vay
?
?
?
Can you tell me if Item# BG505-6840 comes with a motor? BG505-6841
?
If so, what is the difference between that and the BG505-6841 with "UL" motor?


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HF 4x6 vs. Enco 5X6

 

Hi all,
?
I just joined the group.
?
I have question about the Enco 5x6 (Item# BG505-6840) bandsaw.? (on sale for $169.99 - free shippping coupon)?
?
1) Does anyone have one??
2) Does it really have a larger capacity then the HF 4x6 (on sale for $169.99 - always free shipping)?
3) Is one a higher quality machine than the other?
4) Would it be worth it to spend the extra $30 to get the enco BG505-6841 which comes with the "UL" motor?
5) What is a "UL" motor?
?
Thanks for all your help!
-Vay
?
?
?
Can you tell me if Item# BG505-6840 comes with a motor? BG505-6841
?
If so, what is the difference between that and the BG505-6841 with "UL" motor?


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Re: Steal of a deal

Wayne Wagner
 

Cletus,

What is the "Lennox Diemaster 2"?

...and congrats on the find!

Regards,
Wayne / AA9DY
Grayslake, IL

--- "Cletus L. Berkeley" <cberkeley@...> wrote:

Hi All,
I'm new to this group, I also belong to the 9x20
Lathe Group. So heres my $0.02 worth:
Got my hands on a bargain, Northern Industrial
3-year old and never used 4"x 6" Metal-Cutting
Bandsaw at a sale ...bought it in a heartbeat.
Already tore into it and added: 1) Lennox Diemaster
2 10/14 bi-metal Blade, 2) Gooseneck Work-lamp, 3)
Recirculating Coolant System with gooseneck spout.
This is a great little machine, dont know how this
workshop functioned without one all this time. BTW I
left all the dust on so that it would blend into the
environment undetected by the wife (Ha, Ha, Ha).
Cheers, Cletus





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Steal of a deal

 

Hi All,
I'm new to this group, I also belong to the 9x20 Lathe Group. So heres my $0.02 worth:
Got my hands on a bargain, Northern Industrial 3-year old and never used 4"x 6" Metal-Cutting Bandsaw at a sale ...bought it in a heartbeat. Already tore into it and added: 1) Lennox Diemaster 2? 10/14 bi-metal Blade,? 2) Gooseneck Work-lamp, 3) Recirculating Coolant System with gooseneck spout. This is a great little machine, dont know how this workshop functioned without one all this time. BTW I left all the dust on so that it would blend into the environment undetected by the wife (Ha, Ha, Ha).
Cheers, Cletus




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Re: Re - shut off switch

lkasdorf
 

Thanks for putting up the pics.

For other owners of my saw, however, I wonder if it orignally came
with a cutoff mechanism for the switch. There is no evidence of this,
except for the location of the switch. There is no sign of mounting
holes for a suitable actuator for the switch.

Lynn Kasdorf

--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., "BOB WRIGHT" <aametalmaster@y...>
wrote:
Hi, Ijust put some pics under aametalmaster in photos. #2 is the
switch bracket. #1 is a mod i use to quick cut 45 degree angles,
just
tap the bed 3/8" and put in a bolt, put on the edge of the 45 deg
line, works quick for cutting. Bob


Re - shut off switch

BOB WRIGHT
 

Hi, Ijust put some pics under aametalmaster in photos. #2 is the
switch bracket. #1 is a mod i use to quick cut 45 degree angles, just
tap the bed 3/8" and put in a bolt, put on the edge of the 45 deg
line, works quick for cutting. Bob


Re: Craftsman 101.2290 4x6 saw- auto shutoff?

too_many_tools
 

Hi,

It's been awhile but I seem to remember the saw was setup so when it
finished the cut, the saw would hit the switch off. Check the Sears
diagram to see if you are missing a part that would do this.

I do know that the Craftsman power hacksaw came in a number of
versions....one of which did not have the auto shutoff feature.
Perhaps the bandsaw went through a similar upgrade.

Adding a second switch is always a good idea. A failsafe switch is
worth the one time that you will need it whether it is ten minutes or
ten years from now. I know a number of people who have fewer than ten
fingers who would agree.

Too_Many_Tools


--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., "lkasdorf" <lkasdorf@s...> wrote:
I'm starting a new thread on this saw, as my original got pretty
fragmented.

I ordered a starrett 60" blade from MSC and it fits and runs great.
Interestingly, I looked carefully for their weld, just to see how
nicely they do it. I never found it! I guess they finish their
welds
pretty well!

When I can find a good deal on blade stock I plan to braze or weld
my
own blades. But given the low volume of work that I expect this saw
to see, this blade should last a while...

Covel, eh? I know that the Craftsman lathes with model numbers
starting with 101. were made by Atlas, I would have thought this
was
as well.

re lubing the gears- I currently have grease on them, but am
thinking
of cleaning that off and switching to a dry moly or graphite lube
that won't attract chips. Then I could clean the gear with
compressed
air and shoot more dry lube on periodically.

Regarding the power switch- mine has a simple toggle switch, placed
where one could envision it being used for auto shutoff. However,
there is no evidence of this, and the moving part of the saw
doesn't
come close to hitting the switch. I would expect some sort of
bracket
that strikes the switch handle, but none is present, and no holes
for
one.

So, I'm confused about what this saw had originally. The location
of
the power switch is hideously dangerous, and the only reason to
place
it there would be for autoshutoff, but there is no evidence that
this
ever existed on this saw.

I plan to mount a 2nd power switch on the cabinet somewhere, and
rig
up an adjustable arm that will hit the switch at the end of the cut
shut off the saw.


RE- SWITCH SHUTOFF

BOB WRIGHT
 

HI, MINE HAS A LITTLE PIECE OF METAL THAT IS ADJUSTABLE TO HIT THE
SWITCH. I HAVE IT SET SO THE SAW JUST FINISHES THE CUT THEN SHUTS
OFF. I HAVE A BRAND NEW ROLL OF BLADE STOCK IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED,
CAN SEND PICS...BOB


Craftsman 101.2290 4x6 saw- auto shutoff?

lkasdorf
 

I'm starting a new thread on this saw, as my original got pretty
fragmented.

I ordered a starrett 60" blade from MSC and it fits and runs great.
Interestingly, I looked carefully for their weld, just to see how
nicely they do it. I never found it! I guess they finish their welds
pretty well!

When I can find a good deal on blade stock I plan to braze or weld my
own blades. But given the low volume of work that I expect this saw
to see, this blade should last a while...

Covel, eh? I know that the Craftsman lathes with model numbers
starting with 101. were made by Atlas, I would have thought this was
as well.

re lubing the gears- I currently have grease on them, but am thinking
of cleaning that off and switching to a dry moly or graphite lube
that won't attract chips. Then I could clean the gear with compressed
air and shoot more dry lube on periodically.

Regarding the power switch- mine has a simple toggle switch, placed
where one could envision it being used for auto shutoff. However,
there is no evidence of this, and the moving part of the saw doesn't
come close to hitting the switch. I would expect some sort of bracket
that strikes the switch handle, but none is present, and no holes for
one.

So, I'm confused about what this saw had originally. The location of
the power switch is hideously dangerous, and the only reason to place
it there would be for autoshutoff, but there is no evidence that this
ever existed on this saw.

I plan to mount a 2nd power switch on the cabinet somewhere, and rig
up an adjustable arm that will hit the switch at the end of the cut
shut off the saw.


RE-SAW BLADES

BOB WRIGHT
 

ONLINE SAW BLADES www.countrysaw.com BOB


Re: greetings! Craftsman 4x6 for $50...any good?

Jim E.
 

J&L will weld any length of blade. I had to get blades for my version
of the 4x6 custom made. It was pricy ($17/blade, mininum $50 order)
when I did it (this was about 5 years ago), but I still have the 3
blades.

Graciously,
Jim
Lakewood, CA
All Hail Rube Goldberg!

too_many_tools wrote:

Hi,
<snip>
I seem to remember that the saw blade is not a typical length that
you find these days. This means is that you get to learn the fine art
of welding blades.


Re: greetings! Craftsman 4x6 for $50...any good?

too_many_tools
 

Hi,

In reference to your saw, I had researched it earlier.

It was built for Sears by Covel I believe. If you compare the bandsaw
to the Covel power hacksaw that Sears sold, you will see several
common parts between the saws.

Next the good news...

If you input the model number in the Sears parts database, you will
get a diagram and parts breakdown.

Especially nice to have if you are like me and will tear the machine
down to paint, lube and do whatever rebuilding is necessary. Ever
notice how you end up with some extra parts when you put something
back together...yeah, so do I. ;<)

Constructionwise it is as you have noted, well built. Covel did a
nice job of designing their products (they are long gone as a
company).

Now the bad news....

Most of those lovely parts that Sears shows are not available
anymore. The ones that do exist are priced well above what you will
deem sane. This raises the point that you want to treat the saw with
loving care or you will soon have a $50 paperweight.

I seem to remember that the saw blade is not a typical length that
you find these days. This means is that you get to learn the fine art
of welding blades.

As you have noted, the drive system is different from the Asian saws
that we all see. Bearing that no parts are available or are extremely
expensive, it would be prudent to keep those gears well lubed since
that will be the point of highest wear.

Good luck with the saw, I think you will find it an useful addition
to your growing tool collection.

Too_Many_Tools


--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., 1erful@m... wrote:
The "Craftsman Commercial" was a line of tools that Sears marketed
for
awhile. They were supposed to be a heavier duty tool that was
priced down
near the "Home Duty" by leaving out some of the "Glitter" such as
more
polished parts and other "Eye Candy" that didn't contribute to the
longer
life and strength of the tool. I was buying tools during that time
and many
of mine are the "Craftsman Commercial" line. For an example one of
my tools
has the more expensive roller bearings in place of bushings but the
aluminum
castings have a brushed finish as compared to the polished finish
on the
lesser tool.
It sounds to me that tou have a very soundly designed saw and with
a little
work you will be able to identify the weaker points and cure what
needs to
be cured and keep an eye on the others.
As for blades, I would go to a good saw shop had have them make
your blades.
I was thinking of getting a fixture and making my own blades but
when I went
to one of my local saw shops I found that the pay back time was so
far in
the future that it would have been a waste of time and money. I
agree that
the bi-metal blades are the way to go.
WALT WARREN


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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 6:59 AM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Re: greetings! Craftsman 4x6 for $50...any
good?


It is a 101.2290. I think this means it was made by Atlas for
Sears.

The weak link in this design, as I see it, is that the drive
gearing
is exposed, and just begging for chips to lodge in the teeth!

At the moment, it has a problem where at one part of the rotation
of
the drive wheel, the gearing feels rough. When running, you hear a
groan sound once per revolution. I have greased the gears and
oiled
everything I can see. I think it is possible that the drive wheel
is
a little warped. The roughness is what you feel when gears are too
close- the teeth penetrate too far. It is possible that a chip is
lodged in a tooth somewhere also, although i did clean the teeth
pretty well. I'm sure a chip could embed itself in the ding-dang
Zamak metal..

I'm trying to figure out a way to slightly move the small drive
gear
outboard slightly, thus providing a bit more clearance. I've not
found a way to do this yet.

Other than this design peculiarity, it is an extremely well made
saw.
Everything is cast iron. There is a very nice precision hydraulic
lowering control that works great. All the knobs and hardware are
top
notch.

If I can get these gears to run quietly, I think it will be a good
saw, but I'll have to be careful to blow chips out of the gearing
ffrequently. I'm thinking of using a dry gear lube like dry moly
spray, or graphite, rather than chip-attracting grease.

Thanks
Lynn Kasdorf


--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., "walter warren" <1erful@m...>
wrote:
DO you have a model number? This would help in identifing the
machine.
WALT


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To: <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:25 AM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] greetings! Craftsman 4x6 for $50...any
good?


I have an opportunity to pick up a Craftsman startionary
horizontal
band saw for $50. From his description, it sounds like
roughly a
4x6
capacity.

Are these craftsman saws any good? I have to think they will
be at
least as well made as an HF unit...

I just need something for misc steel fabrication- cutting bar
stock,
angle iron, tubing, etc. I find my abrasive chop saw's
efficiency
drops radically on solid stock of 1/2" thick or more. It is
great
for
tubing, though.

I've never used a hor metal cutting band saw, so I'm hoping
that I
can't go too far wrong for $50.



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good online source for bimetal blades, odd size?

lkasdorf
 

Where is a good online source for bimetal blades, made to size? I
have found a few, but maybe somebody has a favorite place. I need
1/2" x 60" blades for my Craftsman 101.2290.

Thanks
Lynn Kasdorf


Re: Stand for 4x6

 

I think Don said, or meant to say, that the Nikota stand, which can
be seen at that website, is on sale at Kragen Auto Parts. Jeff

--- In 4x6bandsaw@..., "Stephen Barmash" <s.barmash@w...>
wrote:
I can't find any $15 Niko Workbench at that site.

Steve Barmash


Re: Flea Market Saw

 

JONNY: WAY TO GO!! WALT

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Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Flea Market Saw




Yesterday, I "bought myself a project", as SWMBO says. A Buffalo
bandsaw for $20 at the flea market. Cast iron body, 3-speed belt
drive, gearing looks good, 3/4 hp single phase Taiwan motor that
actually runs, and less than 30 pounds of accumulated rust. The vise-
screw is a bit tight [surface rust] but a bit of wirebrush and
machine-oil will put it right.

It had a $100 tag on it; as I was looking it over and wondering who
would be fool enough to spend that for it, the lady-in-charge
strolled over and said "Fifty bucks and it's yours!"

"Well," sez I, "Why a half-off before I even say a word?"

"Cuz I'm tired of looking at it and even tireder of the guy it
belongs to."

So, I plugged it in, already turned on, and the motor, gearing and
bull wheel ran very nicely and quietly. I had already spun the idler
and it had no play and it spun and spun......and spun.....and
spun.....so nicely balanced I could hardly believe it.

So, I turned it off and the house-circuitbreaker tripped!! "Wow,"
thinks I aloud, " a $50 bench-fee, plus repairs. I'll offer $20"
[since at worst the cast iron and motor will serve as base-weight in
my mill-drill and the matched pair of 3-step belt pulleys will find a
home somewhere, as well as the worm&spur assy.]

"I'll have to make a call." she replies.

Two minutes later: "It's yours, big fella."

Thought about it a bit on the way home, and realized that if the
motor was the problem, it sould have shorted when it came ON, not
when it was turned OFF. Sure enough, a $2 switch fixed it up. Now, to
find a blade source, locally, I hope, LOL.

Johnny (owner of a perfect pair of rose-colored glasses)



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eBay item 2523524068 (Ends Apr-20-03 180613 PDT ) - BENCHTOP METAL CUTTING BAND

Stephen Barmash
 

Does anybody know anything about this new benchtop bandsaw?

Steve Barmash



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Flea Market Saw

twojays44
 

Yesterday, I "bought myself a project", as SWMBO says. A Buffalo
bandsaw for $20 at the flea market. Cast iron body, 3-speed belt
drive, gearing looks good, 3/4 hp single phase Taiwan motor that
actually runs, and less than 30 pounds of accumulated rust. The vise-
screw is a bit tight [surface rust] but a bit of wirebrush and
machine-oil will put it right.

It had a $100 tag on it; as I was looking it over and wondering who
would be fool enough to spend that for it, the lady-in-charge
strolled over and said "Fifty bucks and it's yours!"

"Well," sez I, "Why a half-off before I even say a word?"

"Cuz I'm tired of looking at it and even tireder of the guy it
belongs to."

So, I plugged it in, already turned on, and the motor, gearing and
bull wheel ran very nicely and quietly. I had already spun the idler
and it had no play and it spun and spun......and spun.....and
spun.....so nicely balanced I could hardly believe it.

So, I turned it off and the house-circuitbreaker tripped!! "Wow,"
thinks I aloud, " a $50 bench-fee, plus repairs. I'll offer $20"
[since at worst the cast iron and motor will serve as base-weight in
my mill-drill and the matched pair of 3-step belt pulleys will find a
home somewhere, as well as the worm&spur assy.]

"I'll have to make a call." she replies.

Two minutes later: "It's yours, big fella."

Thought about it a bit on the way home, and realized that if the
motor was the problem, it sould have shorted when it came ON, not
when it was turned OFF. Sure enough, a $2 switch fixed it up. Now, to
find a blade source, locally, I hope, LOL.

Johnny (owner of a perfect pair of rose-colored glasses)


Stand for 4x6

Stephen Barmash
 

I can't find any $15 Niko Workbench at that site.

Steve Barmash