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Re: Entire head coming down at an angle?


 

Hi Raymond
I think that your experience is pretty much typical of 90% of 4x6 owners.? If it works dont mess with it.
I am not much into maintenance either, but my science background makes me want to understand why things work like they do, and I keep looking deeper and deeper until I understand.?
My bandsaw was a PoS right from the get go in 1987. By that I mean it didn't cut square and I could get it cutting acceptably for the first 20yrs I owned it. Until I got so pissed with it that I analysed it like the science/engineering/geometry problem it is, and now I've pretty much solved all the issues it had and understand the ones I can't fix.?
For instance it's most likely NOT poor setup that caused your saw blades to break while cutting - they snap within 20 - 50 hrs of running around the bandwheels, i. e. not cutting and with no guides twisting it (they break in 8-20hrs with guides in place and not cutting!) .? Contrary to reason, tension in the blade has no effect on life. The broken blades had anywhere from 5-30 cracks in them, as shown by dye penetrant testing. I know this from having run 10 blades to destruction in controlled experiments, after getting what I thought were too many breakages in near-continuous cutting.?
The reason is: the bandwheels are too small in diameter for the thickness of the blade. I found a graph probably from the 50's or 60's from the 'Hack & Bandsaw Mnfr's Association of America' (some industry group that doesn't exist any more) that showed the minimum diameter for 0.025" blades to be 12", and ours are just over7"!?
On the oil issue I recommend that everyone should change to a known 'good' gear oil when they take possession of a saw. New or used.?
Because I've seen with my own eyes a brass gear chewed to destruction (1 out of maybe 10-15 that I have inspected is too high to ignore ), and heard of many more through this group, and read of some of those people finding casting sand in the oil (esp from around 2007). You should definitely change yours since it's from that time, though it's not likely yours is faulty since it would have shown by now.?
Changing to a Group V, 100%? POE synthetic gear oil means (as OKC Bill will know) that you never have to change it again (these are the oils that they seal into jet engines for their service life).? That RedLine 75W-250 is provably just such an oil (unlike the Lucas 75W-140). Mobil 634 SHC (synthetic-hydro-carbon) is a good Group IV synthetic oil but not in the same longevity class as the RedLine oil and seemingly about the same price
Have a happy Christmas everyone - jv

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023, 4:16 am Tom Angell via , <tangell=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for your input.? Your use and maintenance procedures (or lack thereof). mirror mine exactly.? Moreover I pretty much just took mine out of the box and put it to work.? First cuts proved pretty much square and true so I have never felt the need to fine tune them to with in a few thousanths of an inch.? I sort of admire those that do but have never found it part of my psyche to take things that far.

On Dec 23, 2023, at 9:49?AM, mondosmetals <jwrey@...> wrote:

This discussion of gear box oil ha=s gotten me to thinking.....
I have a JET HVBS-56M 5x6 metal cutting bandsaw I purchased new in September 2009. I run it at the slowest speed always. The blade runs cooler and it is less likely for the teeth to loose temper this way. Some aluminum, some tough alloy steels, mostly mild steel like rebar and structural shapes.?
I confess I have not yet changed the gearbox oil. The manual recommends change after 90 days of operation and every six months thereafter. In 14 years I think I used all of 20, maybe 25 blades.? Few wore out, most were take out of service for chipped or broken teeth or the blade just broke while cutting, usually from poor setup. The machine sits for many months without being used then I will have a project that may require a single cut or big projects may require a dozen or more cuts, some small some big, then it sits idle for another 3 to 6 months. The manual calls for MOBIL SHC 634, currently priced at about $25.15/qt on amazon dot com.
Maybe I will change the oil this winter.

Before roasting me for lack of maintenance on my saw, consider this: How often - time wise or mileage wise -? do you change the gear oil in the rear axle of your pickup truck? How many miles has that band run around the wheels?

Raymond

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