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Re: OT: Bainbridge 712 resurrection


 

Nice to know you¡¯re making progress. Sorry my answers are a little long, but if you don¡¯t have enough info to understand why things work, you can¡¯t evaluate any how information meaningfully. To respond to your questions.

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Tension

So far you¡¯ve only been interested in blade tracking, but once it tracks you¡¯ll need to make it cut straight and we get to another can of worms. ?If you read the doc in the files section called ¡®Bandsaw Chip Characteristics v3.pdf¡¯ you¡¯ll get the gist of what¡¯s happening as the blade cuts. The bits about ¡®weight on the tooth¡¯ and ¡®blade tension, stress and buckling¡¯ are important (the concepts, not the numbers which are different for your blade).

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Your blade is a ?¡± deep, 0.035¡± wide beam spanning 10 to 14¡± between the two back support rollers, (depending on how far apart your guides are), with the work pushing up roughly in the middle. In engineering terms it¡¯s a very slender beam; the only thing keeping it straight is its tension.


The most important thing is that the blade cuts in the direction its pointing. When it buckles it no longer points straight down and it doesn¡¯t cut square down through the work. ?You need high enough tension and a low enough bow weight to stop it buckling, but not so high that the blade cracks and fails. ?Beyond that the actual tension doesn¡¯t matter very much.?

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You say you¡¯re still in the 'thunk' area, but be careful.? Your blade is longer and thicker than a 4x6 blade, both of which will make the tone lower. The tone it makes depends only on the span, the weight per unit length of the blade and the tension ¨C if you pluck the back run of the blade between the guide wheels and use a std blade then tension is the only?thing that changes the tone.?

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You¡¯d expect the bandsaw manufacturers to have given you a tensioning mechanism that you can use, without resorting to anything special, to tension it properly. ?Since you have to choose a repeatable tension to set the tracking, wind the tension knob as hard as you can with one hand and leave it at that. Use the scratch and sticky-tape marker method for this blade and record the tone on your cellphone¡¯s audio app to make it repeatable for other blades.

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I¡¯ve looked into all the methods of measuring tension I can think of, and there are no simple, cheap, ones where you know what the actual tension is. ?

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Wheel crown?

Yes, your wheels are crowned.? That normally means the tilt is not so important as the blade will ¡®climb up¡¯ the crown when it runs.? Since it will climb up no matter which side of the wheel it¡¯s on, it should settle in the middle. You adjust the tilt to make the crown on both wheels the same, but the wheels need to vertically in the same plane, like 2 dishes lying on a flat table.? That makes the drive wheel position that much more important. If the rims are both the same thickness, you should be able to get it close with a long straight edge that lies across both wheels, touching at 2 points on both wheels.? A piece of extruded aluminium 1¡±x ? ¡° unequal length angle section, 1/16th¡± thick, cut to length to fit inside the saw frame casting is the best I¡¯ve found. Find it at most hardware stores. Extrusions are normally very straight in short lengths and the angle section stiffens it. ?

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Drive wheel

Once you¡¯ve found the optimum position for the drive wheel it should not need to be moved again, so pinning it again is not a bad option, since you can do it with the minimum of tools.? 3 setscrews at 120deg is NOT a good option, as the whole load is concentrated at 3 points with the maximum amount of wiggle as it wears.? Wheel bosses are normally fixed to shafts with 2 set-screws at 90deg, though I¡¯ve seen an engineering paper where they said you get more friction between shaft and boss if they¡¯re spaced at 45deg! ?Flats for the setscrews to bear on are a must, though I¡¯ve no idea whether just 2 set-screws will be enough.? The boss on that drive wheel looks long enough to put in a double row of setscrews and I¡¯d be pretty confident that would be enough.? Broaching/cutting a keyway with a setscrew on top of the key is the preferred solution, if you can get it done cheaply enough.

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Blade guides

Yes, feeler gauges are the right way. The blade is 0.035¡± so a set at 0.036¡± or 0.042¡± will do. The debate over clearance or no clearance is mainly about whether you cut steel or aluminium and/or use coolant.? Coolant and cutting aluminium both cause swarf to stick to the blade and get rolled through between the blade and the side guide rollers, so clearance is desirable. Steel swarf and in dry cutting the swarf falls away so only minimal clearance required which gives maximum blade direction control.? The best solution is to use minimum clearance and a blade scraper like in doc 'Liquid Coolant Lube on a 4x6 Bandsaw.pdf' in the Files section.

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Yeah, I think bow weight and side roller guide separation are your immediate problem too.? Happy hunting - jv

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