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What mods would you want?
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Hi all.
I'd like everyone to contribute to a list of everything you'd want added to the CS80 (besides the anti-gravity device). I'm trying to come up with what I'd want to add and I'm wondering what other people have added, or thought of adding. Here's a few: MIDI This is a biggie, since it could mean many things: MIDI in MIDI out Notes, pressure, ribbon, program change Others??? Auto tune Something like on later Prophet 5, including microtuning. Digital patch storage Also like P5, and other late '70s polysynths: scan panel controls, digitize (fast & high resolution!), save to flash. We could really go crazy with this and replace the Panel sliders with motorized faders! Oscillator Sync between sounds I & II. Unison modes (like Kent is working on). Split keyboard / Multitimbral. Release velocity. For some of these, especially trying to do several at once, the keyscanning and modulation distribution boards would basically get replaced. Lots of work! Please comment/add your own! David |
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Synth80s
Hey David!
You've got big plans already, I see.. ;) I'd love the ability to route the audio input through the filters -- yummy! Why not make it stereo while you're at it?!? -Bradley :: Hi all. :: :: I'd like everyone to contribute to a list of everything you'd want :: added to the CS80 (besides the anti-gravity device). I'm trying to :: come up with what I'd want to add and I'm wondering what :: other people :: have added, or thought of adding. |
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Rory Mc Donald
Hi all.
I'd like everyone to contribute to a list of everything you'd want added to the CS80 (besides the anti-gravity device).? I'm trying to come up with what I'd want to add and I'm wondering what other people have added, or thought of adding. Here's a few: MIDI This is a biggie, since it could mean many things: ? MIDI in ? MIDI out ? Notes, pressure, ribbon, program change ? Others??? Auto tune ? Something like on later Prophet 5, including microtuning. Digital patch storage ? Also like P5, and other late '70s polysynths: scan panel controls, digitize (fast & high resolution!), save to flash.? We could really go crazy with this and replace the Panel sliders with motorized faders! Oscillator Sync between sounds I & II. Unison modes (like Kent is working on). Split keyboard / Multitimbral. Release velocity. For some of these, especially trying to do several at once, the keyscanning and modulation distribution boards would basically get replaced.? Lots of work! Please comment/add your own! David |
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Here comes my wish list:
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Auto Tune, most definitely. Indicator LEDs on each voice board that show you which is active (if theres no auto tune possible and you have to tweak them in tune yourselves). External stabilized and regulated power supply, built to military standards (which might solve some temperature-based problems. If not, it makes the instrument 20 kg lighter... which is a good thing if youve moved house as often as I did in the past). Less noisy built-in Chorus/Tremolo with an input level / output balance pot rather than just on/off. Ventilators (heavy duty computer fans, temperature-controlled). Lighter enclosure 8)... I wouldnt want anything that potentially puts the playability of the CS at risk (like MIDI which I deeply mistrust anyway, but MIDI and CS80 go together as well as Chocolate Sauce and Smoked Eel). No, seriously, folks, I am not one of these snobbish purists whod say all innovation is bad right from the start but I think its just hard to find anything as immediately satisfying as far as musicality is concerned as the CS-80. I wouldnt want to control it from somewhere else, and I wouldnt want to use it as a master keyboard controller, either, as most other synthesizers are not designed to respond the way a CS80 does. Using it within a setup should always bring out your musical wit and your musical skills, rather than having its track perfectly synced to your other stuff. Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, youre a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Rogoff" <david@...> To: <yamahacs80@...> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: [yamahacs80] What mods would you want? Hi all. |
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Good point, this. Whats the point of having all these beautiful mods when
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the instrument becomes unplayable due to some dead custom ICs? Making the spare parts situation sort of safe is an important factor in the enjoyment of a CS80... Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, youre a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----
From: "The Old Crow" <oldcrow@...> To: <yamahacs80@...> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] What mods would you want?
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My biggest mod plans are to replace all the custom chips with equivalent
discrete circuits. For a voice board, it will be mostly surface-mount parts in order to keep the board the same size as the originals. Same goes for the KAS board (key assigner), though that one won't have to be surface-mount parts. Auto-tune won't happen unless a key assigner with higher resolution DACs is made such that micro-tonal tuning of the pitch CVs can be done. That, and a feedback circuit to listen to each channel's oscs, along with a "silencer" VCA placed in the audio output circuit so the horrendous squawking the machine would make while running a tune algorithm is avoided. I'm going to try and avoid the issue with new VCO circuits that don't have tracking issues. ;) Crow /**/ |
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--- In yamahacs80@..., "David Rogoff" <david@t...> wrote:
Hi all.to come up with what I'd want to add and I'm wondering what otherpeople have added, or thought of adding.Did anyone say channel audio outs? I own a Marion Systems MSR-2 which has 16 audio inputs into dual board 16 voice synth's filters. I build the cables for the inputs and tested. My dream is to somehow control the Marion and the CS80 together but that sure would take alot of work - the Marion is not programmed for this (Tom Oberheim told me once that it would be tricky getting an external synth with channel outs to trigger the correct voices). Anyways, I was going to do this with some TG55's but never got around to it. I think routing the CS80 into the Marion would be ridiculously cool but I'd find it way beyond my electronics skill to put all the electronics together for some kind of triggering. But multi-channel outs of the CS80 would be cool anyway especially with my digital desk. Amibabbling, seemslikeImbabblingtoomuchcoffeegottastopdrinkinsomcuhsfcovffere. |
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In a message dated 8/28/04 1:11:42 AM, oldcrow@... writes: My biggest mod plans are to replace all the custom chips with equivalent Crow- Once you have replaced all the custom chips with equivalent discrete circuits, how much further do you have to go to essentially recreate a Yamaha CS-80? Imagine I have a MIDI keyboard capable of generating polyaftertouch, and perhaps have a Kurzweil Expressionmate handy. I am thinking of a box similar to the Oberheim Expander, hopefully weighing significantly less and with better tuning stability. -Marshall btw- Introduction: I owned a CS-80 for about a year after wanting one for decades. Loved the sound, didn't love the maintenance issues. And yes, I do own a Kurzweil MIDIBoard and an ExpressionMate.... |
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It is not that simple: the CS machines are much more than the sound of
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their chips. The only way to re-create a CS-80 is to make sure there is the correct type of weighted keyboard with poly pressure and initial touch, and all of the performance controls are arranged in the same fashion around it. Now, this can be built, but I am not a carpenter. :) I do want to make a sort of 5U rackmount CS-80, that I oddly call the CSR-80, but without a suitable keyboard/control system to connect to it, it won't be the same. I might try operating such a rack from the DX-1, provided I can get it to send poly-pressure data over MIDI. It is a player<->keyboard communion issue, and it has to be done right in order to have the same allure as the original CS-80. Crow /**/ On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 marzzz@... wrote:
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