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Re: quieter keys

 

BRILLIANT!!!!

M

----- Original Message -----
From: Heath Finnie
To: yamahacs80@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:29 AM
Subject: [yamahacs80] quieter keys


One last issue. On mine keys 20-25 (G-C) are playing at a quieter volume, but only on certain presets (but both channels). Clav and organ are the most noticeable.

I just cleaned all the sensors, but it shouldn't even be related to those since those are mainly for aftertouch.


Re: RIP Toby

 

Hi Rob,



Sorry to hear of your loss. I know how your feeling.

I too lost my Misty and Moog last November ten days apart.



best regards



Kent

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RIP Toby

 

Dont know why im posting this..
But my beautiful cat, my best buddy had to be put to sleep today.
23 years old and a beautiful friend to me since i was 7 years old.
RIP toby. x


Re: Free CS-80 album - Bartesho

 

Heath Finnie wrote:
This is an album called `Bartesho'. I'm currently offering it for free here on my site for a limited time. It was improvised using nothing but a Yamaha CS-80 synthesizer and some reverb to add some "space" to the recording. I hope you enjoy it. The mp3's are encoded at 360kbs for better quality. It's fairly ambient but does have more experimental sections as well.
Excellent stuff - thanks!


Re: Free CS-80 album - Bartesho

David
 

Thanks Heath

On 8/04/2009, at 7:13 AM, Heath Finnie wrote:



This is an album called `Bartesho'. I'm currently offering it for
free here on my site for a limited time. It was improvised using
nothing but a Yamaha CS-80 synthesizer and some reverb to add some
"space" to the recording. I hope you enjoy it. The mp3's are encoded
at 360kbs for better quality. It's fairly ambient but does have more
experimental sections as well.





Free CS-80 album - Bartesho

Heath Finnie
 

This is an album called `Bartesho'. I'm currently offering it for free here on my site for a limited time. It was improvised using nothing but a Yamaha CS-80 synthesizer and some reverb to add some "space" to the recording. I hope you enjoy it. The mp3's are encoded at 360kbs for better quality. It's fairly ambient but does have more experimental sections as well.


quieter keys

Heath Finnie
 

One last issue. On mine keys 20-25 (G-C) are playing at a quieter volume, but only on certain presets (but both channels). Clav and organ are the most noticeable.

I just cleaned all the sensors, but it shouldn't even be related to those since those are mainly for aftertouch.


cs-80 Parts Needed

zenithaudio2003
 

Hi every one , MR microsine have a parts request .

4 (IG00157) from the tone selector pcb on panel 2 .

5 complete pushknobs with preset name ,,,,
harpsicord 2
panel 1
panel 2
string 3
string 4

and finaly the mix fader ( big dual gang ) , the one next to the tone selector .

when it come to circuit design i am truly retarded .If someone can help me or just lead me .... with what can we replace the IG00157 , the circuit is on page 65 of the old crow cs-80 service manual.
thanks .


Re: CS-80 almost working again! (no aftertouch and missing a voice)

zenithaudio2003
 

Hi , heath .
About the aftertouch problem , It will may sound easy. but have you checked the 8.5v rail supply on the keyboard ? It may have broken from lifting up and down the keyboard --- yamahacs80@..., "Heath Finnie" <heathfinnie@...> wrote:


Thought I would update the list on my CS-80 work thats been going on. I had help in fixing some of these problems which is great since some of them to me were stumpers.

Here is what has been done:

Power supply rebuilt
Ring Modulator envelope fixed (bad IG00159)
Output hi/low switch rebuilt
constant pitch/loss of pitch controls (bad trace on the BA board)
Funky 3 would not sound (bad transistor on the BA board)

Some things that are left to do and a bit of a mystery:

No aftertouch. (The aftertouch worked when I got the synth but now I have none on any key on either channel which makes me think its something global. The voltages seem to be fine on the TKS board....)

No voice 3 on channel 2, but ONLY in panel mode???? This seems like a weird issue...

And last will be a full calibration.


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

honestly, i MUCH prefer just leaving the entire assembly down and tuning that way. i also seem to get a bit more accuracy with it down. using a static wristguard and a plastic tuning piece, i just gently push the wiring above up a little. works fine for me. good luck.

--- On Sun, 4/5/09, omegacode80 <omegacode80@...> wrote:

From: omegacode80 <omegacode80@...>
Subject: [yamahacs80] Raising circuit board rack for tuning
To: yamahacs80@...
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:50 AM












Hi Everyone,



After mastering the M-board tuning procedure on my CS-50 I am now

ready to tackle the tuning procedure for my CS-80.



Can anyone provide pointers on how to safely raise the circuit board

rack in to the "tuning" position? I don't see a procedure for doing

this in the service manual.



Cheers,



Kent

New York, NY


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Just dont use a metal screwdriver....and cover the metal Key bed with
a thick towel...I usually hang a scrim over and down the back of the
cards to keep temp in....

-----Original message-----
From: omegacode80 omegacode80@...
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 10:22:41 -0600
To: yamahacs80@...
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

Thanks again David and Tom for the advice!

I was wondering about getting my trim pot adjuster in there with the
rack down. It might be a little tough in some areas where there are
loops of wires, but I think I may be able to do it.

Cheers,

Kent



On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:10 PM, David Rogoff wrote:

omegacode80 wrote:
Thanks Tom! Is it really heavy when you're pulling it up? Is there
a
spring mechanism that lifts it once you unscrew the bolts? I
haven't
studied theanatomy of the side rails too carefully yet. Just
opened
up the case and started looking around.

I'm sure I'm gonna have to carefully make sure no cables get
caught up
on anything.
You might need to undo a couple of the heavy wires they use to hold
the
big cable bundles in place.

HOWEVER..................

As I finally realized after tuning CS80s for many years, if you're
just
doing the usual tuning procedure, you don't have to, and shouldn't
raise
the card frame! All the trimmers are accessible with it down. You
just
need a flashlight and to push the cable bundles up and out of the
way.
Leaving the cards down should make the temperature change less, so
the
tuning should hold better when you close up the lid.

David


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Hmmm.. could be done - but I'd prefer to make it pneumatic David..!

--- In yamahacs80@..., David Rogoff <david@...> wrote:

Quazimodo wrote:
No springs Kent,
You don't have the version with the motorized lift mechanism :^)


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Quazimodo wrote:
No springs Kent,
You don't have the version with the motorized lift mechanism :^)


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Thanks again David and Tom for the advice!

I was wondering about getting my trim pot adjuster in there with the
rack down. It might be a little tough in some areas where there are
loops of wires, but I think I may be able to do it.

Cheers,

Kent

On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:10 PM, David Rogoff wrote:

omegacode80 wrote:
Thanks Tom! Is it really heavy when you're pulling it up? Is there a
spring mechanism that lifts it once you unscrew the bolts? I haven't
studied the anatomy of the side rails too carefully yet. Just opened
up the case and started looking around.

I'm sure I'm gonna have to carefully make sure no cables get
caught up
on anything.
You might need to undo a couple of the heavy wires they use to hold
the
big cable bundles in place.

HOWEVER..................

As I finally realized after tuning CS80s for many years, if you're
just
doing the usual tuning procedure, you don't have to, and shouldn't
raise
the card frame! All the trimmers are accessible with it down. You just
need a flashlight and to push the cable bundles up and out of the way.
Leaving the cards down should make the temperature change less, so the
tuning should hold better when you close up the lid.

David


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

No springs Kent, just make sure you pull it up level, that is at the same rate both ends. It is kinda heavy I suppose (because you're leaning over to do it) but I'm used to it. The cables (looms) are designed to 'give' as it rises so there shouldn't be a problem if you go slowly.

--- In yamahacs80@..., omegacode80 <omegacode80@...> wrote:

Thanks Tom! Is it really heavy when you're pulling it up? Is there a
spring mechanism that lifts it once you unscrew the bolts? I haven't
studied the anatomy of the side rails too carefully yet. Just opened
up the case and started looking around.

I'm sure I'm gonna have to carefully make sure no cables get caught up
on anything.

Cheers,

Kent


On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Quazimodo wrote:

Hi Kent,
Two bolts will need to be undone (one either side) and then the
whole rack just slides up and locks by itself. To lower, you just
raise it slightly (so it un-locks) and then gently lower it back down.

Cheers
TOM

--- In yamahacs80@..., omegacode80 <omegacode80@>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,

After mastering the M-board tuning procedure on my CS-50 I am now
ready to tackle the tuning procedure for my CS-80.

Can anyone provide pointers on how to safely raise the circuit board
rack in to the "tuning" position? I don't see a procedure for doing
this in the service manual.

Cheers,

Kent
New York, NY



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Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

omegacode80 wrote:
Thanks Tom! Is it really heavy when you're pulling it up? Is there a spring mechanism that lifts it once you unscrew the bolts? I haven't studied the anatomy of the side rails too carefully yet. Just opened up the case and started looking around.
I'm sure I'm gonna have to carefully make sure no cables get caught up on anything.
You might need to undo a couple of the heavy wires they use to hold the big cable bundles in place.

HOWEVER..................

As I finally realized after tuning CS80s for many years, if you're just doing the usual tuning procedure, you don't have to, and shouldn't raise the card frame! All the trimmers are accessible with it down. You just need a flashlight and to push the cable bundles up and out of the way. Leaving the cards down should make the temperature change less, so the tuning should hold better when you close up the lid.

David


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Thanks Tom! Is it really heavy when you're pulling it up? Is there a
spring mechanism that lifts it once you unscrew the bolts? I haven't
studied the anatomy of the side rails too carefully yet. Just opened
up the case and started looking around.

I'm sure I'm gonna have to carefully make sure no cables get caught up
on anything.

Cheers,

Kent

On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Quazimodo wrote:

Hi Kent,
Two bolts will need to be undone (one either side) and then the
whole rack just slides up and locks by itself. To lower, you just
raise it slightly (so it un-locks) and then gently lower it back down.

Cheers
TOM

--- In yamahacs80@..., omegacode80 <omegacode80@...>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,

After mastering the M-board tuning procedure on my CS-50 I am now
ready to tackle the tuning procedure for my CS-80.

Can anyone provide pointers on how to safely raise the circuit board
rack in to the "tuning" position? I don't see a procedure for doing
this in the service manual.

Cheers,

Kent
New York, NY


Re: Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Hi Kent,
Two bolts will need to be undone (one either side) and then the whole rack just slides up and locks by itself. To lower, you just raise it slightly (so it un-locks) and then gently lower it back down.

Cheers
TOM

--- In yamahacs80@..., omegacode80 <omegacode80@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

After mastering the M-board tuning procedure on my CS-50 I am now
ready to tackle the tuning procedure for my CS-80.

Can anyone provide pointers on how to safely raise the circuit board
rack in to the "tuning" position? I don't see a procedure for doing
this in the service manual.

Cheers,

Kent
New York, NY


Raising circuit board rack for tuning

 

Hi Everyone,

After mastering the M-board tuning procedure on my CS-50 I am now ready to tackle the tuning procedure for my CS-80.

Can anyone provide pointers on how to safely raise the circuit board rack in to the "tuning" position? I don't see a procedure for doing this in the service manual.

Cheers,

Kent
New York, NY


Re: no pitch change . microsine nightmare

zenithaudio2003
 

Ho, yes for the records! Sorry !

Well the problem cannot be applied to a normal cs-80 . but here was the problem .

A jumper was removed between ground and ic14 to ic20 ground rail , so all K output were floting . Probably removed by the devil or simply to make the microsine system work ,,, Good thing i have keen eyes because I am new to this polyphonic system and i could have been searching the problem till the end of time,,. since... all parts were testing ok .

Now the pitch is changing but i got many other problems , i think i got some wiring wrong on the preset matrix , it work but in a very wierd way . also the keyboard controls is giving me problems . Is the center tap position really to ground ? and a complete calibration needs to be done. One output is dead . etc etc ,,,,, It sure make strange music ,,, all vco are giving different octave , out of this world music ,, ahahah

As i am here , i need some more parts .. All the knobs ( rotary )tune speed depth volume etc. The mix fader it is a dual gang , balance ( was replaced by a normal fader , microsine again ) 4 ig00157 ( they are on the tone selector assembly pcb ) or if someone know with what i could replace them , it is probably a simple transistor array . sting 3 string 4 panel 1 panel 2 harpsicord 2 , pushknobs . after that it will be complete .... And one more CS-80 on the road .. . . next time ! i will start the hunt for wrong wirering ....

. --- In yamahacs80@..., "Heath Finnie" <heathfinnie@...> wrote:


--- In yamahacs80@..., "zenithaudio2003" <zenithaudio2003@> wrote:

problem resolved !!!!!!!
--- In yamahacs80@..., "zenithaudio2003" <zenithaudio2003@> wrote:

hi , i have finished the rewirering ! .

everything is working , aftertouch etc etc , the only problem is that i have no pitch changes . It always play the same note ,,,,, i have checked the logic of ym26600 , show good c+ gives 1111 and so on ,,, so as i have rewired tons of cables it could be a simple mistake .
So ,,, other then ym26700 what can create the ( no pitch changes ) problem .
What ended up being the problem?