Re: A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4948

yeah, given the post-scarcity market situation, even 5k is asking a
lot for this, given the massive amount of work every unit needs.

back when it was the only really good synth with poly AT, and the only
way to get a cs80 sound, it was worth a bunch more. but not anymore.
first, a lot of amazing analogs came out, which are objectively just
better than cs80. then, a bunch of very good cs80 VSTs came out, so
now the cs80 is the only way to get a cs80 sound *in analog*. then,
good clones came out, so the cs80 isn't the only way to get the cs80
sound... in any way. meantime, a bunch of very good polyphonic
aftertouch controllers and surfaces came out that went way, way beyond
what the cs80 can do on its... what, 3-bit? aftertouch. and finally,
synths with great performance controls that make the cs80 blush have
been around for a long time. meanwhile, the cs80s themselves have been
becoming more broken, more decrepit, and more difficult to find
replacements for. and the buyer's market *in general* for vanity
purchases has dried up. things that would fetch 100k-150k now go for
less than 10k (that's how I got my insane quad-amped PMC MB2 XBD
setup). people just don't have money at all anymore due to politicians
and billionaires stealing it all. the days of high synth (and, in
general, collectors' items) prices being possible to rationalize have
long gone, sailed away, and they aren't coming back for at least 20
years.

there's no scarcity. there's no value proposition. there are no
buyers. and there is no money.

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:40?AM Teo Halm <blacklagoon1881@...> wrote:

woah. thanks Florian!

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:36?PM Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

June 2022: 5200,- Euros, unserviced quite out of tune, scratchy trimmers, very unreliable switch contacts, but basically everything working. Not a single chip failure! I know both, the seller and the buyer (none of them is me). The synth still is before finishing.
"Investment" until now: 120 hours (done by the buyer). If you'd bill the usual hourly rate of a synth technician here in Germany that additional investment would sum up to around  10k - 12k Euros.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:53 schrieb Teo Halm:

whats the lowest price you guys have seen a working cs-80 go for in the last couple years?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 1:36?PM Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

If there would be documentation for all those addons it might be interesting for lets say 15k. (10k for a only half working CS80, 5k for the super rare addons).
But guess why there were "a couple reputable shops[...]who said they didn’t want to work on it". If there is no documentation, then the only chance will be to remove all the addons and restore it into a working normal CS80.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:16 schrieb Teo Halm:

wow

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:58?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Very rare!!!

Re: How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

#4947

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Idk, I have tuned a few CS80:s, including my own, and they've all been very stable. I moved mine 6 floors (carry, no elevator) and it was perfectly in tune afterwards. I think it's just a story that has stuck for some reason.?

Fred

Analog Sweden

24.01.2024 18:51 skrev Michael Fuchs:

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Hi All,

since there seems to come back some life into the group, I was always wondering about one thing: Before I had a CS80 I was always reading about what a headache the machine is regarding staying in tune over time. Some technician even told me once that just by moving it around in the room detuned some oscillators.

I haven't made that experience. Actually I calibrated mine from ground up, which was quite a ride that will cost me a few years of my lifespan, but I learned a lot. I documented it, mainly for myself if I have to ever do it again :) , in case of interest : Anyway, I calibrated mine in 2016, meanwhile I also moved to another apartment. I recently checked how good it is in tune and it is slightly detuned here and there, but it is not bad and I cannot really hear it when playing.
I wonder about my fellow CS80 owners what experience they make or made regarding this.?

Michael

Re: How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

Stan Valiulis

#4946

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Hi All,

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I am going to unsubscribe because I sold my CS80 a couple of years ago.? I am not a tech and it was very needy and hard to move.? FYI, I sold it for $47,000.00 to some film person out West.

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Best of luck to all of you.? These are amazing instruments.

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Stan

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Scott Rodriguez <synthrodriguez@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:24?PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [yamahaCS80fans] How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

If otherwise in well-calibrated and good operating?condition, and in a stable environment, about once-a-year tuning is pretty typical. Much like a piano.

Re: How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

#4945

If otherwise in well-calibrated and good operating?condition, and in a stable environment, about once-a-year tuning is pretty typical. Much like a piano.

Re: How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

#4944

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Always been curious to install these multiturn pots in my CS80 too.

Could you possibly share the pots reference of the ones you installed in yours, Csaba?

Thank you,

Greg

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Le 24 janv. 2024 à 18:53, Csaba Zvekan <czvekan@...> a écrit?:

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I have installed all mutiturn Pots and it was stable even when you move things around.

Csaba

On 24 Jan 2024, at 18:51, Michael Fuchs <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

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Hi All,

since there seems to come back some life into the group, I was always wondering about one thing: Before I had a CS80 I was always reading about what a headache the machine is regarding staying in tune over time. Some technician even told me once that just by moving it around in the room detuned some oscillators.

I haven't made that experience. Actually I calibrated mine from ground up, which was quite a ride that will cost me a few years of my lifespan, but I learned a lot. I documented it, mainly for myself if I have to ever do it again :) , in case of interest : Anyway, I calibrated mine in 2016, meanwhile I also moved to another apartment. I recently checked how good it is in tune and it is slightly detuned here and there, but it is not bad and I cannot really hear it when playing.
I wonder about my fellow CS80 owners what experience they make or made regarding this.?

Michael

Re: How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

#4943

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I have installed all mutiturn Pots and it was stable even when you move things around.

Csaba

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On 24 Jan 2024, at 18:51, Michael Fuchs <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

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Hi All,

since there seems to come back some life into the group, I was always wondering about one thing: Before I had a CS80 I was always reading about what a headache the machine is regarding staying in tune over time. Some technician even told me once that just by moving it around in the room detuned some oscillators.

I haven't made that experience. Actually I calibrated mine from ground up, which was quite a ride that will cost me a few years of my lifespan, but I learned a lot. I documented it, mainly for myself if I have to ever do it again :) , in case of interest : Anyway, I calibrated mine in 2016, meanwhile I also moved to another apartment. I recently checked how good it is in tune and it is slightly detuned here and there, but it is not bad and I cannot really hear it when playing.
I wonder about my fellow CS80 owners what experience they make or made regarding this.?

Michael

Re: How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

#4942

I have a cs80 that mostly works.

It needs some

Service.

It’s in New Jersey.

Is someone interested in buying it.

Email me here?

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:51?PM Michael Fuchs <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Hi All,

since there seems to come back some life into the group, I was always wondering about one thing: Before I had a CS80 I was always reading about what a headache the machine is regarding staying in tune over time. Some technician even told me once that just by moving it around in the room detuned some oscillators.

I haven't made that experience. Actually I calibrated mine from ground up, which was quite a ride that will cost me a few years of my lifespan, but I learned a lot. I documented it, mainly for myself if I have to ever do it again :) , in case of interest : Anyway, I calibrated mine in 2016, meanwhile I also moved to another apartment. I recently checked how good it is in tune and it is slightly detuned here and there, but it is not bad and I cannot really hear it when playing.
I wonder about my fellow CS80 owners what experience they make or made regarding this.?

Michael

How long can your CS80 go until the need of recalibrating the oscillators?

#4941

Hi All,

since there seems to come back some life into the group, I was always wondering about one thing: Before I had a CS80 I was always reading about what a headache the machine is regarding staying in tune over time. Some technician even told me once that just by moving it around in the room detuned some oscillators.

I haven't made that experience. Actually I calibrated mine from ground up, which was quite a ride that will cost me a few years of my lifespan, but I learned a lot. I documented it, mainly for myself if I have to ever do it again :) , in case of interest : Anyway, I calibrated mine in 2016, meanwhile I also moved to another apartment. I recently checked how good it is in tune and it is slightly detuned here and there, but it is not bad and I cannot really hear it when playing.
I wonder about my fellow CS80 owners what experience they make or made regarding this.?

Michael

Re: A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4940

woah. thanks Florian!

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On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:36?PM Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

June 2022: 5200,- Euros, unserviced quite out of tune, scratchy trimmers, very unreliable switch contacts, but basically everything working. Not a single chip failure! I know both, the seller and the buyer (none of them is me). The synth still is before finishing.
"Investment" until now: 120 hours (done by the buyer). If you'd bill the usual hourly rate of a synth technician here in Germany that additional investment would sum up to around? 10k - 12k Euros.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:53 schrieb Teo Halm:

whats the lowest price you guys have seen a working cs-80 go for in the last couple years?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 1:36?PM Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

If there would be documentation for all those addons it might be interesting for lets say 15k. (10k for a only half working CS80, 5k for the super rare addons).
But guess why there were "a?couple reputable shops[...]who said they didn’t want to work on it". If there is no documentation, then the only chance will be to remove all the addons and restore it into a working normal CS80.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:16 schrieb Teo Halm:

wow

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:58?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Very rare!!! ?

Re: A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4939

开云体育

June 2022: 5200,- Euros, unserviced quite out of tune, scratchy trimmers, very unreliable switch contacts, but basically everything working. Not a single chip failure! I know both, the seller and the buyer (none of them is me). The synth still is before finishing.
"Investment" until now: 120 hours (done by the buyer). If you'd bill the usual hourly rate of a synth technician here in Germany that additional investment would sum up to around? 10k - 12k Euros.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:53 schrieb Teo Halm:

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whats the lowest price you guys have seen a working cs-80 go for in the last couple years?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 1:36?PM Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

If there would be documentation for all those addons it might be interesting for lets say 15k. (10k for a only half working CS80, 5k for the super rare addons).
But guess why there were "a?couple reputable shops[...]who said they didn’t want to work on it". If there is no documentation, then the only chance will be to remove all the addons and restore it into a working normal CS80.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:16 schrieb Teo Halm:

wow

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:58?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Very rare!!! ?

Re: A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4938

whats the lowest price you guys have seen a working cs-80 go for in the last couple years?

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On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 1:36?PM Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

If there would be documentation for all those addons it might be interesting for lets say 15k. (10k for a only half working CS80, 5k for the super rare addons).
But guess why there were "a?couple reputable shops[...]who said they didn’t want to work on it". If there is no documentation, then the only chance will be to remove all the addons and restore it into a working normal CS80.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:16 schrieb Teo Halm:

wow

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:58?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Very rare!!! ?

Re: A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4937

开云体育

If there would be documentation for all those addons it might be interesting for lets say 15k. (10k for a only half working CS80, 5k for the super rare addons).
But guess why there were "a?couple reputable shops[...]who said they didn’t want to work on it". If there is no documentation, then the only chance will be to remove all the addons and restore it into a working normal CS80.

Am 23.01.24 um 22:16 schrieb Teo Halm:

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wow

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:58?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Very rare!!! ?

Re: A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4936

wow

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On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:58?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Very rare!!! ?

A 1981 Cs80 on ebay, with great mods made by Yamaha Usa.

#4935

Very rare!!! ?

Re: I want to stay in this group

#4934

Love the site.

SI

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 09:23:54 a.m. AST, Csaba Zvekan <czvekan@...> wrote:

Hi There,

I would like to stay in the group as although I recently sold my fully restored CS-80 but could be helpful in selling parts as I have many of the Yamaha Custom IC’s and parts for sale.

Best regards?

Csaba

On 21 Jan 2024, at 13:11, WT via groups.io <waveterm@...> wrote:

Yeah I?m still here !

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WT

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Fr?n: [email protected] <[email protected]> F?r Tommy's Keys
Skickat: den 16 januari 2024 09:02
Till: [email protected]
?mne: [yamahaCS80fans] I want to stay in this group

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Have a nice CS80 day!!!

Re: I want to stay in this group

#4933

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Hi There,

I would like to stay in the group as although I recently sold my fully restored CS-80 but could be helpful in selling parts as I have many of the Yamaha Custom IC’s and parts for sale.

Best regards?

Csaba

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On 21 Jan 2024, at 13:11, WT via groups.io <waveterm@...> wrote:

Yeah I?m still here !
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WT
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Fr?n: [email protected] <[email protected]> F?r Tommy's Keys
Skickat: den 16 januari 2024 09:02
Till: [email protected]
?mne: [yamahaCS80fans] I want to stay in this group
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Have a nice CS80 day!!!

Re: I want to stay in this group

#4932

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Yeah I?m still here !

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WT

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Fr?n: [email protected] <[email protected]> F?r Tommy's Keys
Skickat: den 16 januari 2024 09:02
Till: [email protected]
?mne: [yamahaCS80fans] I want to stay in this group

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Have a nice CS80 day!!!

Re: I want to stay in this group

#4931

Sorry, didn't mean to start a new thread.? I'd like to stay in the group also.? CS80 owner since the mid 90's nobody wanted them.

Repair service now open near Boston

#4930

This seems like a good time to poke my head in and let everyone know that SynthCube can do CS 80, 60 and 50 repairs and tuning in the Boston, Massachusetts, USA area, as well as other vintage analog synths. You can contact us at info@... for more information. I have repaired many of these units over the years. Thanks for the bandwidth!

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Kyle

Re: I want to stay in this group

#4929

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I cqn do the measurements at least.

18.01.2024 05:08 skrev Scott Metzger:

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Anyone have a CS-80 top cover or know anyone who can make one? ?My Cs-80 is still running but I never was able to find a cover. ?

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Hope everyone is doing well!!?

On Jan 17, 2024, at 4:38?PM, Teo Halm <blacklagoon1881@...> wrote:

I only have a cs-60 but I plan on getting an 80 one day...hopefully that's enough for me to pickup knowledge in here lol. The chain been a big help to me.
Cheers!
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024, Teo Halm <blacklagoon1881@...> wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 12:01?AM Tommy's Keys <tommykeyboard@...> wrote:

Have a nice CS80 day!!!