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Re: Identifying correct resistor value for CS80 power transistor

 
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Hello Scott,
Thank you for sharing this mouser reference, I will get these ones! So this resistor replacement choice answers to my previous question at same time, they are definitely 5W/1ohm resistors as described in the manual, and as Joan also concluded before (then K stand for 10% tolerance).
Knowing the role of these resistors is valuable indeed, and now I better understand the heating cause of these, as there must have been some short on the 15V rails in the circuit in first place.
Since they're supposed to protect Tr701 and Tr702 transistors by limiting current draw under 15 amps, should I conclude the outputs transistors themselves are 100% kept safe and operating?
thx!


Re: Identifying correct resistor value for CS80 power transistor

 

The big ceramic resistors are current-limiters for the outputs.

The ±15 rails on the CS-80 each pull about 2.5 amps in normal operation. If you had an accidental direct short to ground, this resistor limits the current draw on the output transistors to 15 amps as opposed to a runaway condition if they weren't there. So, they're a safety device for the power supply.?

I recently replaced a couple in a customer's power supply?and used the Yageo?SQP500JB-1R part from Mouser. It's a J tolerance which is 5%. Maintain a little air gap between the resistor and big heat sink to help keep things cool.

Scott

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 3:23 AM <nightmusic01@...> wrote:
Thank you Joan, interesting! Yes it would be great if you could double check that, in case nobody else confirms this.Thanks!


Re: Identifying correct resistor value for CS80 power transistor

 

Thank you Joan, interesting! Yes it would be great if you could double check that, in case nobody else confirms this.Thanks!


Re: Identifying correct resistor value for CS80 power transistor

 

That is probably the tolerance code "K" which means +/- 10%. So, anything between 0.9 and 1.1 ohms is within tolerance ;)

I can check on my CS-80 Sunday if no one else is able to do by then.


Identifying correct resistor value for CS80 power transistor

 

Hello everyone,

As I ran into recent issues with my CS80 power supply, I decided to go thru the recapping/4558's swap, that's when i realized that the white resistors connected behind the power transistors (Tr701+Tr702) suffered/leaked in some ways. Before powering things up again, I decided to replace these for future proof reliabilty.
Trying to find proper replacement for these, I realized there is some confusion between the reference described in the Part List Manual?and what's physically labelled on the resistor itself: in the Yamaha manual, I think the correct one is mentioned as 'cement molded resistor 5P 1Ω' , whereas it's printed ?' 5W 1ΩK' on the resistors themselves, which shows to my understanding, a big difference in resistance value (1ohm to 1 kohms).
I know the Yamaha manuals can be erroneous sometimes, but in the same time since I'm not the original owner of the CS80 I am not 100% sure the actual resistors are that legitimate in there.
So before going any further, any advices/experience feedbacks would be very helpful at this step, thank you!


Expression Pedal compatability question: SY-1 pedal for controlling a CS50?

 

Hi all,
?
I happened to find an original Yamaha SY-1 expression pedal which looks virtually identical to the one used for the CS50 and CS80, and when peeking inside it seems as if it is also based around the same sort of circuitry as the CS80's swell pedal. According to the SY-1 product leaflet, its applications (i. e. controlling volume and filter) are the same.
?
Simple question: Can the SY-1 pedal be used with the CS50, or am I risking to damage the 50 when using the wrong type of pedal?
?
Thanks for any info more competent than what I already have.
?
Stephen


Re: Troubleshooting the Sub Oscillator Section

 

did you ever get this sorted out joao?


Re: Sub Oscillator Problem

 

hi there

I'm having a similar problem with my cs-60, the 'speed' on the Sub-Oscillator section does nothing at all, essentially rendering the Sub-Osc useless for modulation. Aftertouch is working great.

does this sound like the same issue you were having?
thank u!!

- teo


beautiful new CS-60, sub oscillator and noise issue : (

 

hi all! I'm new here, so please forgive me if this could be worded better.
It's great to know there's a community for this.
I just bought this CS-60 from a shop called Perfect Circuit, reputable place. Listed in excellent condition, to be honest it's cosmetically by far the nicest CS-60 i've ever seen!! it looks brand new. I was told it was working perfectly as it came from the owner's collection.

Essentially, the Sub-Oscillator section isn't working correctly. specifically the 'speed' slider changes nothing at all, no matter what function it's set to. If i bring the VCO, VCF, or VCA down, i notice a slight change in that parameter, but the speed and waveform/function parameters change nothing. The 'noise' function affects it, but the speed changes nothing.
Within the main oscillator section, the noise slider also changes nothing.

really hoping i'm overlooking something, any help or insight would be so appreciated.

attached is a video showing the issue:?

thank you so much!!
-teo


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 

You might be forgetting that "the resistor in series" also includes
the capacitor itself. Add an ohm or so for electrolytics due to ESR.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:11 PM Scott Rodriguez
<synthrodriguez@...> wrote:

Very good, thanks for the thought and reply.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 7:06 AM Joachim Milson <joachim.milson@...> wrote:

Scott: The discharging speed of a capacitor is determined by its value and by that of the resistor in series with it (T=RC). So I don't think the type of the capacitor really matters.


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 

Very good, thanks for the thought and reply.


On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 7:06 AM Joachim Milson <joachim.milson@...> wrote:
Scott: The discharging speed of a capacitor is determined by its value and by that of the resistor in series with it (T=RC). So I don't think the type of the capacitor really matters.


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 

Scott: The discharging speed of a capacitor is determined by its value and by that of the resistor in series with it (T=RC). So I don't think the type of the capacitor really matters.


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 

Joachim: I read your TSB board website page with interest, thank you for the excellent explanation!

I have a customer synth here where a previous tech decided to replace all the 0.33 uF tantalum capacitors with electrolytics. It is my understanding that tantalums charge and discharge more quickly than their electrolytic counterparts.

Could you please elaborate on what you would expect to happen in the circuit with velocity timing when these tantalums get replaced with electrolytics?

Thank you!

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:40 AM Joachim Milson <joachim.milson@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi,
It's a ten levels analog signal. It is smoothed by a filter later in the signal path.
You'll find a detailed explanation of how it works here:


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 

Great info!

Here's a snapshot of a spreadsheet I created and put under Files many years ago:

aftertouch_response.jpg

And here's how I did it:

cs80_pressure.jpg


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 

Thank you!

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 1:39 PM Joachim Milson <joachim.milson@...> wrote:

Hi,
It's a ten levels analog signal. It is smoothed by a filter later in the signal path.
You'll find a detailed explanation of how it works here:


Re: Aftertouch resolution?

 
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Hi,
It's a ten levels analog signal. It is smoothed by a filter later in the signal path.
You'll find a detailed explanation of how it works here:


Aftertouch resolution?

 

Hi all,
I've recently been watching a video about the internals of the CS80
and it briefly showed the aftertouch board. It looks like it has
multiple exposed vertical lines on the pcb, and then an inverted V
shaped piece of conductive rubber that connects more lines the harder
you press down on it.

Is this system essentially digital? How many different levels can it
achieve - what sort of "bit depth" is there?

Thanks


CS80 and CS60 for sale!

 

Hello,

I've got a CS80 and CS60 for sale here.? Both have Kenton MIDI and unison mods.? Both have been gone over by a professional musician and are working perfectly and in tune.? The CS80 has had all CMOS changed out as well as other upgrades.? Both have lids.??

Located in Chicago, IL USA

You can contact me at mike@... for more info.??


Re: Contacts for Yamaha CS80

 

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I would be interested in keeping a set as a backup.?

I’ll keep my eye on your progress and see how this project turns out.

Regards,
Nigel

On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:36 am, tony k <tonyk@...> wrote:

?
I was wondering who is interested in new contact sets for Yamaha CS80. Together with a friend who has a high quality Markforged 3d printer I will produce a one to one copy.
As soon as it is finished and at least as good as the original I will place some pictures.
Please let me know if you also need new contacts for the yamaha cs80 because I can reduce the price by larger numbers
thanks


Re: Contacts for Yamaha CS80

 

Hi Tony,

I would likely be interested in a set of new contacts, please keep me informed on the development.

Thank you


Martin