I assure you, my CS80 has been portable and used live since 1979...
last road trip was 2013 and has been moved to 3 locations since that...

I also know lighter and more portable applies to every other piano type keyboard besides a real piano :)

can't wait..


---- On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 03:47:22 -0500 Tommy Priakos tpriakos@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote ----


Also there seems to be some portability aspect to reface...
"Get ready to create your sound any place, any time."
The keyboard made by "someone who plays the piano" seems contradictory to the portable aspect, however.


Yamaha filed the application to trademark the name, "reface" last year (June 5, 2014).


All will soon be revealed.


Tommy



On Jun 21, 2015, at 11:11 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:



just that 3 more vids are coming out, the 24th 29th and July 3rd

16 days and counting down



---- On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:03:32 -0500 David Rogoff david@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote ----


Anyone have more info on this? First I’ve heard of it.


David



On Jun 21, 2015, at 2:14 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:



anyone see this yet?





---- On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:44:46 -0500 david@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote ----



Hello everyone!


Good to see a bit of traffic here lately after a long lull. I know why I've been so distracted and I assume most folks have lots of stuff going on in their lives.


I'm finally getting back to a long-term CS80 renovation / mod project after moving and job changes and other fun stuff. I have a question for any of the techie types here. For review, all the digital logic in the beasts use standard (and mostly still available) CMOS chips. These are old DIP packages that only fit a hand full of gates in each chip. They are all run off of +8.5v and -6.5v. This weird arrangement fits in the 15-volt supply that the chips can handle and being offset allows analog switch chips (e.g. 4051, 4016) to process the analog control voltages and audio signals that are bi-polar around zero volts.




So, I want to add a bunch of new logic including an FPGA (tons of re-programmable gates) and a processor (maybe Arduino).




Mojo V3 - FPGA Development Board









Mojo V3 - FPGA Development BoardThe Mojo is an FPGA development board with an Arduino compatible microcontroller on board. It is designed to be easy to use and a great introduction...





View on embeddedmicro.com
Preview by Yahoo







Again, the catch is that this board has 3.3volt digital I/O - which is actually pretty high compared to the latest chips! So, I need to translate a lot of signals. The old standbys were the 1488 and 1489 chips that were design to translate from 5volt TTL to +/- 12v (or lower) for RS-232 serial ports. I might be able to use these but they would take up a ton of room and I'm not sure if they'll work with 3.3volt instead of 5volt. I looked around a bit yesterday but found tons and tons of possible chips and was hoping someone here might know a good chip to use. I'd like something that's 3.3volt on one side and up to the +8.5v/-6.5v Yamaha levels on the other side. DIP or SOIC package would be fine and I'd like 8 or more channels in each chip with versions for one-way and bi-directional.


Any ideas on this idea in general? On the Mojo board? On the level-shifters?


Thanks and hope everyone is having a happy, music-filled summer!


David

?

Also there seems to be some portability aspect to reface...

"Get ready to create your sound any place, any time."?

The keyboard made by "someone who plays the piano" seems contradictory to the portable aspect, however.

Yamaha filed the application to trademark the name, "reface" last year (June 5, 2014).

All will soon be revealed.

Tommy

On Jun 21, 2015, at 11:11 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

?

just that 3 more vids are coming out, the 24th? 29th and July 3rd?

16 days and counting down

---- On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:03:32 -0500 David Rogoff david@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote ----

?

Anyone have more info on this? ?First I’ve heard of it.

?David

On Jun 21, 2015, at 2:14 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

anyone see this yet?

---- On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:44:46 -0500?david@...?[yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...>?wrote ----?

Hello everyone!

Good to see a bit of traffic here lately after a long lull. ?I know why I've been so distracted and I assume most folks have lots of stuff going on in their lives. ?

I'm finally getting back to a long-term CS80 renovation / mod project after moving and job changes and other fun stuff. ?I have a question for any of the techie types here. ? For review, all the digital logic in the beasts use standard (and mostly still available) CMOS chips. ?These are old DIP packages that only fit a hand full of gates in each chip. ?They are all run off of +8.5v and -6.5v. ?This weird arrangement fits in the 15-volt supply that the chips can handle and being offset allows analog switch chips (e.g. 4051, 4016) to process the analog control voltages and audio signals that are bi-polar around zero volts.

So, I want to add a bunch of new logic including an FPGA (tons of re-programmable gates) and a processor (maybe Arduino).

			The Mojo is an FPGA development board with an Arduino compatible microcontroller on board. It is designed to be easy to use and a great introduction...
				Preview by Yahoo?

Again, the catch is that this board has 3.3volt digital I/O - which is actually pretty high compared to the latest chips! ? So, I need to translate a lot of signals. ?The old standbys were the 1488 and 1489 chips that were design to translate from 5volt TTL to +/- 12v (or lower) for RS-232 serial ports. ?I might be able to use these but they would take up a ton of room and I'm not sure if they'll work with 3.3volt instead of 5volt. ?I looked around a bit yesterday but found tons and tons of possible chips and was hoping someone here might know a good chip to use. ?I'd like something that's 3.3volt on one side and up to the +8.5v/-6.5v Yamaha levels on the other side. ?DIP or SOIC package would be fine and I'd like 8 or more channels in each chip with versions for one-way and bi-directional.

Any ideas on this idea in general? ?On the Mojo board? ?On the level-shifters?

Thanks and hope everyone is having a happy, music-filled summer!

?David

?

just that 3 more vids are coming out, the 24th? 29th and July 3rd?

16 days and counting down

---- On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:03:32 -0500 David Rogoff david@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote ----

?

Anyone have more info on this? ?First I’ve heard of it.

?David

On Jun 21, 2015, at 2:14 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

anyone see this yet?

---- On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:44:46 -0500?david@...?[yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...>?wrote ----?

Hello everyone!

Good to see a bit of traffic here lately after a long lull. ?I know why I've been so distracted and I assume most folks have lots of stuff going on in their lives. ?

I'm finally getting back to a long-term CS80 renovation / mod project after moving and job changes and other fun stuff. ?I have a question for any of the techie types here. ? For review, all the digital logic in the beasts use standard (and mostly still available) CMOS chips. ?These are old DIP packages that only fit a hand full of gates in each chip. ?They are all run off of +8.5v and -6.5v. ?This weird arrangement fits in the 15-volt supply that the chips can handle and being offset allows analog switch chips (e.g. 4051, 4016) to process the analog control voltages and audio signals that are bi-polar around zero volts.

So, I want to add a bunch of new logic including an FPGA (tons of re-programmable gates) and a processor (maybe Arduino).

			The Mojo is an FPGA development board with an Arduino compatible microcontroller on board. It is designed to be easy to use and a great introduction...
				Preview by Yahoo?

Again, the catch is that this board has 3.3volt digital I/O - which is actually pretty high compared to the latest chips! ? So, I need to translate a lot of signals. ?The old standbys were the 1488 and 1489 chips that were design to translate from 5volt TTL to +/- 12v (or lower) for RS-232 serial ports. ?I might be able to use these but they would take up a ton of room and I'm not sure if they'll work with 3.3volt instead of 5volt. ?I looked around a bit yesterday but found tons and tons of possible chips and was hoping someone here might know a good chip to use. ?I'd like something that's 3.3volt on one side and up to the +8.5v/-6.5v Yamaha levels on the other side. ?DIP or SOIC package would be fine and I'd like 8 or more channels in each chip with versions for one-way and bi-directional.

Any ideas on this idea in general? ?On the Mojo board? ?On the level-shifters?

Thanks and hope everyone is having a happy, music-filled summer!

?David

?

Anyone have more info on this? ?First I’ve heard of it.

?David

On Jun 21, 2015, at 2:14 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

anyone see this yet?

---- On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:44:46 -0500?david@...?[yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...>?wrote ----?

Hello everyone!

Good to see a bit of traffic here lately after a long lull. ?I know why I've been so distracted and I assume most folks have lots of stuff going on in their lives. ?

I'm finally getting back to a long-term CS80 renovation / mod project after moving and job changes and other fun stuff. ?I have a question for any of the techie types here. ? For review, all the digital logic in the beasts use standard (and mostly still available) CMOS chips. ?These are old DIP packages that only fit a hand full of gates in each chip. ?They are all run off of +8.5v and -6.5v. ?This weird arrangement fits in the 15-volt supply that the chips can handle and being offset allows analog switch chips (e.g. 4051, 4016) to process the analog control voltages and audio signals that are bi-polar around zero volts.

So, I want to add a bunch of new logic including an FPGA (tons of re-programmable gates) and a processor (maybe Arduino).

			The Mojo is an FPGA development board with an Arduino compatible microcontroller on board. It is designed to be easy to use and a great introduction...
				Preview by Yahoo?

Again, the catch is that this board has 3.3volt digital I/O - which is actually pretty high compared to the latest chips! ? So, I need to translate a lot of signals. ?The old standbys were the 1488 and 1489 chips that were design to translate from 5volt TTL to +/- 12v (or lower) for RS-232 serial ports. ?I might be able to use these but they would take up a ton of room and I'm not sure if they'll work with 3.3volt instead of 5volt. ?I looked around a bit yesterday but found tons and tons of possible chips and was hoping someone here might know a good chip to use. ?I'd like something that's 3.3volt on one side and up to the +8.5v/-6.5v Yamaha levels on the other side. ?DIP or SOIC package would be fine and I'd like 8 or more channels in each chip with versions for one-way and bi-directional.

Any ideas on this idea in general? ?On the Mojo board? ?On the level-shifters?

Thanks and hope everyone is having a happy, music-filled summer!

?David

On Jun 21, 2015, at 2:14 PM, laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

anyone see this yet?

---- On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:44:46 -0500?david@...?[yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...>?wrote ----?

Hello everyone!

Good to see a bit of traffic here lately after a long lull. ?I know why I've been so distracted and I assume most folks have lots of stuff going on in their lives. ?

I'm finally getting back to a long-term CS80 renovation / mod project after moving and job changes and other fun stuff. ?I have a question for any of the techie types here. ? For review, all the digital logic in the beasts use standard (and mostly still available) CMOS chips. ?These are old DIP packages that only fit a hand full of gates in each chip. ?They are all run off of +8.5v and -6.5v. ?This weird arrangement fits in the 15-volt supply that the chips can handle and being offset allows analog switch chips (e.g. 4051, 4016) to process the analog control voltages and audio signals that are bi-polar around zero volts.

So, I want to add a bunch of new logic including an FPGA (tons of re-programmable gates) and a processor (maybe Arduino).

			The Mojo is an FPGA development board with an Arduino compatible microcontroller on board. It is designed to be easy to use and a great introduction...
				Preview by Yahoo?

Again, the catch is that this board has 3.3volt digital I/O - which is actually pretty high compared to the latest chips! ? So, I need to translate a lot of signals. ?The old standbys were the 1488 and 1489 chips that were design to translate from 5volt TTL to +/- 12v (or lower) for RS-232 serial ports. ?I might be able to use these but they would take up a ton of room and I'm not sure if they'll work with 3.3volt instead of 5volt. ?I looked around a bit yesterday but found tons and tons of possible chips and was hoping someone here might know a good chip to use. ?I'd like something that's 3.3volt on one side and up to the +8.5v/-6.5v Yamaha levels on the other side. ?DIP or SOIC package would be fine and I'd like 8 or more channels in each chip with versions for one-way and bi-directional.

Any ideas on this idea in general? ?On the Mojo board? ?On the level-shifters?

Thanks and hope everyone is having a happy, music-filled summer!

?David

?

Hello everyone!

Good to see a bit of traffic here lately after a long lull. ?I know why I've been so distracted and I assume most folks have lots of stuff going on in their lives. ?

I'm finally getting back to a long-term CS80 renovation / mod project after moving and job changes and other fun stuff. ?I have a question for any of the techie types here. ? For review, all the digital logic in the beasts use standard (and mostly still available) CMOS chips. ?These are old DIP packages that only fit a hand full of gates in each chip. ?They are all run off of +8.5v and -6.5v. ?This weird arrangement fits in the 15-volt supply that the chips can handle and being offset allows analog switch chips (e.g. 4051, 4016) to process the analog control voltages and audio signals that are bi-polar around zero volts.

So, I want to add a bunch of new logic including an FPGA (tons of re-programmable gates) and a processor (maybe Arduino).

			The Mojo is an FPGA development board with an Arduino compatible microcontroller on board. It is designed to be easy to use and a great introduction...
				Preview by Yahoo

Again, the catch is that this board has 3.3volt digital I/O - which is actually pretty high compared to the latest chips! ? So, I need to translate a lot of signals. ?The old standbys were the 1488 and 1489 chips that were design to translate from 5volt TTL to +/- 12v (or lower) for RS-232 serial ports. ?I might be able to use these but they would take up a ton of room and I'm not sure if they'll work with 3.3volt instead of 5volt. ?I looked around a bit yesterday but found tons and tons of possible chips and was hoping someone here might know a good chip to use. ?I'd like something that's 3.3volt on one side and up to the +8.5v/-6.5v Yamaha levels on the other side. ?DIP or SOIC package would be fine and I'd like 8 or more channels in each chip with versions for one-way and bi-directional.

Any ideas on this idea in general? ?On the Mojo board? ?On the level-shifters?

Thanks and hope everyone is having a happy, music-filled summer!

?David

?

I recently read about a modification that was done by Kent Spong which involved re-routing the cable loom because it would produce some kind of high-pitched whine. Maybe Kent could elaborate on his?

?

Mine does that as well but it's only audible when playing lower notes.

?

Stephen

?

Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2015 um 17:06 Uhr
Von:?"bob@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...>
An:?yamahacs80@...
Betreff:?[yamahacs80] HIgh Pitched Whine

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Hi


Still having issues with this CS50 PSU.

I've got a horrible high pitched whine all over everything. If I turn the amps off, I can actually hear this noise emanating from the PSU.

If I put a probe on the lines, I've got oscillation on both the + and -15V lines. Much worse on the -15V line.

I've recapped it, changed all the transistors, and diodes (Apart from the rectifiers)
Changed the 4458, but no change.

What's really odd is that if I touch the anode of the -15V zener (Opamp supply) with a scope probe, it collapses the Opamp supply.

Also... If I remove voice cards 3 and 4 from the rack and the problem goes away... even though they're still connected to the power.

Any incite, or suggestions? most welcome... I've got to get this thing sorted in a couple of weeks, so a client can use it on a session. :-s

?

Hi Bob

?You bought a part from me a while back....

80% chance there's nothing wrong with the supply at all.?

I assume you've thoroughly investigated visual possibilities on the 2 offending voice cards, but

it's highly likely everything funky resides there.

?You MIGHT want to swap the location of a working card with one of the 2 bad ones, and see if the problem moves, because it could also be something external but related to that voice(s) giving this

?headache.??Probably 45 minutes of soldering/desoldering to verify. God knows the wiring can create nightmares on these....but at least you'd know more than you do now about the prob.

good luck

Tim

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:58 AM, "bob@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

?

OK... so I'm going to build a power soak to try and pin this down. ie. whether it is actually the PSU or if it's something elsewhere causing the issue.

Measuring about 0.6A on the +15V, and 0.65A on the -15V... Does that sound about right?

Hello CS80 users,

Probably as most CS80 owners, i am aware that the most critical parts in the beast are the 2 main LSI's (YM26600&Ym26700), as their failure could quickly become problematic, since they are Yamaha proprietary and for this reason, hard to find/replace.And because they are the brain of the system, i guess it's important to rely on them in first place, before doing any other work/check further in the synth.