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Newbie to group and YAAC-1.0-beta202


 

i am using? direwolf and? YAAC on HF aprs.
the? goal is to get? ?aprs? and? be? able to send messages.
?
I really? like? ?YAAC.. it? was? easy to get? started, but now? i know it can do a lot more.
?
I have? ICOM? HF? rig and? i see? a? lot of? activity on 14.102.3? and? 10.147.6
only on the? map., radio view and? ?RAW packet? sniffer.
the I have? ?GPS? ?IP GPS GPS? RF and? ?green light? all lite.? but i don't? see messages.
?
how? do i know if? Igate? is? running?? on direwolf? ?AGW and KISS TCP are? both open on port.
?
What am i missing?
?
thanx so? much
?


 

Greetings, and welcome to the APRS party.

Let's clarify some terminology here.

"messages" in APRS are a specific type of packet, equivalent to cellphone SMS text messaging. So you will not see anything on YAAC's "Messages" displays unless someone sends an APRS text message addressed to you (or you have the box checked to display all received text messages regardless of addressee), or you send one to them and they acknowledge the message. Position reports (beacons) only show up on the Raw Packets table (or the History for a single station).

To send a text message in YAAC, you either fill in the fields at the bottom of the map window and click SEND, or right-click on a station and select Send Message (which brings up a similar form with the addressee field already filled in with the selected station). On HF, you do _not_ want to specify a digipeat path, as HF APRS packets can travel hundreds of miles in all directions.

Regarding knowing if your I-gate connection is up:

Those little colored buttons above the map labeled "GPS", "IP", and "RF" correspond to the different ports you have configured in YAAC. "GPS" is GPS input, "IP" is an I-gate connection to an APRS-IS backbone server, and "RF" is a port to a hardware or software (like Direwolf) TNC. Black backgrounds on the button indicate the port is open, but no traffic is currently going through it. Green buttons are actively receiving something (inbound to YAAC) at that moment, and red buttons are actively transmitting (outbound from YAAC). Orange buttons have a problem; gray buttons have failed for some reason (you will usually get a popup dialog window reporting the reason if the failure isn't because you deliberately chose to disable [close] the port).

Note you will not be able to transmit to the APRS-IS through an I-gate port unless you have provided your correct APRS-IS server passcode corresponding to the callsign you are specifying on the port. Also, you won't be able to transmit through _any_ port if you have disabled transmitting on that port; that is the default for all ports, to protect unlicensed beginners from getting in trouble, by requiring the user to explicitly turn on transmit capability (and also specify a callsign-SSID for the port).

Also, note that you cannot use the aprs.fi website to confirm your I-gate port is sending to the backbone, as the APRS-IS backbone automatically suppresses duplicate packets, and YAAC is a comparatively slow I-gate, so it is unlikely to get there first _unless_ it is the _only_ I-gate to hear a particular RF station transmission.

Furthermore, just because Direwolf is running and receiving packets does not mean that YAAC is connected to it. You will need to open an AGWPE or KISS-over-TCP port to Direwolf to take advantage of it from YAAC. I assume you have done this, since you report seeing packets in the Raw Packets view, though those packets could be coming from the I-gate (APRS-IS) port.

Now, it's very strange that you would have 3 open GPS ports (unless you were using a remote GPS as some amateur rocketry people do with their mobile recovery stations); one GPS port is normally sufficient, and then only if you actually _have_ a GPS connected to the YAAC computer. You should see a green GPS button, as the GPS receiver generally sends as many NMEA-0183 sentences as it can fit into its configured serial port baud rate.

Similarly, you don't need to connect to Direwolf using both an AGWPE port and a KISS-over-TCP port; you'll get the same information both ways. Pick one and use that.

Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Niece KA1ULN via groups.io <ka1uln1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2025 4:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Newbie to group and YAAC-1.0-beta202

i am using direwolf and YAAC on HF aprs.
the goal is to get aprs and be able to send messages.

I really like YAAC.. it was easy to get started, but now i know it can do a lot more.

I have ICOM HF rig and i see a lot of activity on 14.102.3 and 10.147.6
only on the map., radio view and RAW packet sniffer.
the I have GPS IP GPS GPS RF and green light all lite. but i don't see messages.

how do i know if Igate is running? on direwolf AGW and KISS TCP are both open on port.

What am i missing?

thanx so much


 

Andrew i truly appreciate all this info. it helped. but i was. chatting with Pete. ae5pl. and. i need. an aprs-is. account username and password for yaac. ? ?can you help me with that?


 

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On 1/25/25 05:39, Niece KA1ULN via groups.io wrote:
Andrew i truly appreciate all this info. it helped. but i was. chatting with Pete. ae5pl. and. i need. an aprs-is. account username and password for yaac. ? ?can you help me with that?

is just one of many places


 

rusty that site is offline!
?
so on my YAAC screen. at the top of the screen i see. all in green except. IP and RF
IP flashes. green and. RF flashes green sometimes
?
but there. are. ?G I G G G R G
?
all the gps icons are all green
?
on direwolf i see the TX’ed beacon
?
but i dont see my icom 7610 transmitting
?
what do i need?


 

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Niece,

How many GPS receivers do you have attached to your computer? If you only have one GPS, there should only be one GPS button appearing on the YAAC map window toolbar.?

Also, how is your Beacon configured? The Beacon must be checked as enabled, or it will not be transmitted. The ability to disable a beacon is to support receive-only stations that don't yet have a callsign for transmitting. Also, if the beacon is configured to use GPS for its position, you must have a valid GPS fix (i.e., the GPS receiver has sky-view to see several satellites) for YAAC to transmit a beacon. YAAC will not transmit a beacon with invalid GPS data.

That last reason is why you shouldn't have too many GPS ports configured. If even one of those ports reports a bad position fix, YAAC won't beacon.

Also, on your RF port (Serial_TNC, AGWPE, KISS-over-TCP), is transmit enabled on the port? If the port is not configured to transmit, it won't send any beacon records.

Additionally, what are you using for a TNC? You mentioned using DireWolf. Did you tell DireWolf how to push the PTT on your radio? If DireWolf is just generating audio but not keying the transceiver, the radio won't transmit. Check your PTT directive in your direwolf.conf file to ensure it is correct for the Icom 7610 you say you are using.

Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Niece? KA1ULN via groups.io <ka1uln1@...>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 9:18:58 AM

rusty that site is offline!
?
so on my YAAC screen. at the top of the screen i see. all in green except. IP and RF
IP flashes. green and. RF flashes green sometimes
?
but there. are. ?G I G G G R G
?
all the gps icons are all green
?
on direwolf i see the TX’ed beacon
?
but i dont see my icom 7610 transmitting
?
what do i need?


 

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On 1/27/25 06:18, Niece KA1ULN via groups.io wrote:
rusty that site is offline!

You can generate your own:


 

got it tnx Rusty
?
why am i seeing. 440 aprs? i am on HF. ?14.102.3. and 10.147.60
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on the radio view of yaac. ?how do i limit it to only HF?
?
tnx everyone for helping


 

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How do you know these particular stations are on 440?

You haven't included any of the exact text of the packets that are bothering you, but (just looking at the technical possibilities):

1. Do you have an APRS-IS (Internet) connection that is bringing in those packets? Similarly, do you have a VHF TNC connection that is bringing in your local VHF traffic? YAAC displays everything coming in from all open ports unless you use filters to restrict your view.

2. Are they Object or Item packets identifying 440MHz voice repeaters that were digipeated from VHF? This shouldn't occur, but that doesn't mean someone doesn't have a misconfigured station pushing the info for a local repeater around the world.

3. Is the 440 just part of the text of the packets (such as someone at 44 degrees and 00 minutes latitude), or did someone include their local listening frequency in their packet? Again, that is useless on HF APRS, but it doesn't mean someone didn't do it.

I sincerely hope you didn't set up your station as a cross-band digipeater between VHF and HF with the normal VHF-only digipeat aliases allowed on the HF port. Similarly, you shouldn't be a transmit-capable I-gate to HF (especially one forcing extra packets from the Internet). The low baud rate of HF packet and the huge coverage area (with corresponding high chance of hidden-transmitter collisions) doesn't leave room for extra packets on the HF APRS frequencies.

Just a few words of advice....

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Niece? KA1ULN via groups.io <ka1uln1@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2025 11:53:43 AM

got it tnx Rusty
?
why am i seeing. 440 aprs? i am on HF. ?14.102.3. and 10.147.60
?
on the radio view of yaac. ?how do i limit it to only HF?
?
tnx everyone for helping