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About your keys problem, you may try to swap U63 and U75 on the processor board. The problem may be on the input line of one 4512 chip which may be destroyed. After the swap, check if the problem moved to another group of keys. If not, try to replace U62 then U74. Since I don't know the layout of the keyboard matrix layout, I cannot target the right chip to check.

Kris

Le 9 juil. 2012 à 15:54, Terje Winther a écrit :

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Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
Good idea to compare with the Xpander service manual, as it is all
there. I have been though all the procedures now.
> You probably already checked these things but just to be sure:
> Do the 2.2uF caps that were replaced have a 50VDC rating? If not
> they will not
> pass the audio signal correctly.
>
Yes, 2.2uF caps with 50VDC rating.
> I would start at the DAC circuit ( page 19 xpander service) There
> is a trimmer
>
Checked all the voltages according to the service manual, and they are
all well within the specs. Some of them almost perfect, but then I
have done service on the power supply (lots of new parts in the power
supply). The DAC offset was quite good, but now it is perfect. I did
the reset again, and those automated test, and they all came out good.
Still the same error.
> If not :
> There is also a procedure for checking the board reference voltage
> ( page 34) If
> this voltage is off spec it could cause errors.
>
There is no trimmer to adjust this, but it is 3.98 and 3.99 on the
boards, well within the 4V spec.
> Try swaping DAC's between the "known good board" and your failed
> one. Or any
> other parts in the DAC circuit.
>
I have systematically swapped one chip at a time, rebooting and
checking to see if it made any change. DAC, opamps, logic chips ...
still the same.
> There is a circuit on page 31 (Lower right hand corner in Xpander
> service)
> Which is used in the auto tuning routine. It is built around an
> LM311 voltage
> comparator
>
Tried swapping it, but still the same.

I suspect there is something wrong in the processor board, now,
because I found another error as well:
- The top 8 keys do not work.
I originally wrote that off as dirty keys, and planned to do that as
part of the final cleaning of the synth. But when I did clean the
keyboard today, the error is still there. I checked the keyboard
contact board, the lines between keyboard and processor board (the
parallell cable) and all seems to work properly.

Terje Winther
terje.winther@...

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Hi Terje,

Wow Two M12's :-)

The version of the M12 service manual I have " Bought from Factory long ago"?is
pretty thin on details.

It's just schematics and a few engineering change orders.
If you have not done so check out the Xpander Service manual. It's in the files
section of this group.
The calibration procedures?for the trimmers you speak of? are in there, as well
as a detailed

description of what really goes on?during?the auto tuning routine.

You probably already checked these things but just to be sure:
Do the?2.2uF caps that?were replaced have a 50VDC rating? If not they will not
pass the audio signal correctly.?

Actually "the entire board failing tune "points to a more systemic failure.
Both the VCO and VCF are tuned?the same way with the exception that the VCF's
resonance
?is set to oscillate. ?A specific voltage is applied to the individual VCO or
VCF
and the output ?frequency is monitored by the CPU to allow tuning.

I would start at the DAC circuit ( page 19 xpander service)??There is a trimmer
in that circuit for

DAC offset calibration.?( The procedure is at the end of the Xpander service
manual page 34.
Maybe thats all that is wrong :-)?

If not :
There is also a procedure for checking the board reference voltage ( page 34)?If
this voltage is off spec?it could?
cause errors.?
Try swaping ?DAC's between the "known good board" and your failed one. Or any
other parts in the DAC circuit.

There is a circuit on page 31 (Lower right hand corner in?Xpander service)?
Which is?used in the auto tuning routine.?It is built around an LM311 voltage
comparator

which ties to the?output of??each voice.
Something may be amiss here.

Report back after these checks and I will think about it some more.

Best Luck

Karl
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From: Terje Winther <terje.winther@...>
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Fri, July 6, 2012 12:30:38 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] only one board active

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Hi all,
Thanks a lot for all the help I have been given on this list. I have
changed parts in the power supply, some CEM chips, all those el.caps
who blocked tuning and sound, swapped some 74 series logic chips (so
now all encoders works), and got new switches and rubber feet, and
even a new key. And of course cleaned it up since all boards were out
anyway.
The Matrix-12 is almost all right now - it is just one peculiar error
left:
It seems that only one of the voice cards gets the proper commands.
Voice 7 - 12 fails tuning of VCOs and VCFs, but all other tuning
passes and there is sound from all 12 voices (if I turn them on) and
the voices are almost in tune, and VCFs seems to work like they should.
I also have another Matrix-12 in for service (yes, two M-12s in front
of me - pretty sight!), and it too reportedly have an issue with only
one of the voice cards working properly.
I have double-checked the connectors (the paralell connector and the
two 3-4 pin connectors) and they all seems to be fine.
Any tips on what to do if one of the voice cards don?t responds?

On another question: While having all the boards out, I noticed that
there are very few manual trimmers on the M-12, but there are some,
and I can?t seem to find any info on how to calibrate them. I have the
service manual, and I find the trimmers there, so I can pretty much
guess what to do, but it would be nice to know for sure.

Terje Winther
terje.winther@...

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Hi Terje,

Great trouble shooting!?
Yes,? do reseat the chips and connectors on the Main processor board.
This has been a mojor problem with these synths, but the sockets?sure make
repairs easy.

BTW
I took photos of the M12 schematics and sent them to Chris this weekend. They
are large files but very fine resolution.

I have to go back to work?right now.
Chris, could you?please forward/send Terje?copies if he needs them?

If anyone else needs them, Please drop me a email and I will?send them to you.?
They are too big to put on the group files section.
Best Luck

Karl

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From: Terje Winther <terje.winther@...>
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Mon, July 9, 2012 11:19:24 AM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] only one board active

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Very interesting update:
The Matrix-12 is just two Xpander voice board on top of each other, right? So it

should be OK to shift which one of the cards who is on top?
Since I was always getting tuning errors on voice 7-12 while voice 1-6 was
always right, I thought I could swap position of the voice cards to see what
happens.
And guess what: it is still voice 7-12 that gets the error - AFTER the swap. The

card that was getting all the errors now works perfectly in tune.

So my conclusion is this:
- Both the voice cards now work as they should.
- There is something wrong on the processor board (or in the connection between
the cards: I can check the multicable).

Since I am mostly an analog synth repair guy, I am getting towards my limits if
I am about to debug the digital electronics. In my experience though, it is
often some logic chips and/or some physical connection (on or off board) that
fails. I really hope there is nothing wrong with the processor itself.
It would be nice to get this M-12 completely fixed, as it looks good, and it is
now so close, so close to being perfect.

Terje

Den 6. juli. 2012 kl. 20.42 skrev Karl Schmeer:

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>
>Hi Terje,
>
>Wow Two M12's :-)
>
>The version of the M12 service manual I have " Bought from Factory long ago"?is

>pretty thin on details.
>
>It's just schematics and a few engineering change orders.
>If you have not done so check out the Xpander Service manual. It's in the files

>section of this group.
>The calibration procedures?for the trimmers you speak of? are in there, as well

>as a detailed
>
>description of what really goes on?during?the auto tuning routine.
>
>You probably already checked these things but just to be sure:
>Do the?2.2uF caps that?were replaced have a 50VDC rating? If not they will not
>pass the audio signal correctly.?
>
>Actually "the entire board failing tune "points to a more systemic failure.
>Both the VCO and VCF are tuned?the same way with the exception that the VCF's
>resonance
>?is set to oscillate. ?A specific voltage is applied to the individual VCO or
>VCF
>and the output ?frequency is monitored by the CPU to allow tuning.
>
>I would start at the DAC circuit ( page 19 xpander service)??There is a trimmer

>in that circuit for
>
>DAC offset calibration.?( The procedure is at the end of the Xpander service
>manual page 34.
>Maybe thats all that is wrong :-)?
>
>If not :
>There is also a procedure for checking the board reference voltage ( page 34)?If
>
>
>this voltage is off spec?it could?
>cause errors.?
>Try swaping ?DAC's between the "known good board" and your failed one. Or any
>other parts in the DAC circuit.
>
>There is a circuit on page 31 (Lower right hand corner in?Xpander service)?
>Which is?used in the auto tuning routine.?It is built around an LM311 voltage
>comparator
>
>which ties to the?output of??each voice.
>Something may be amiss here.
>
>Report back after these checks and I will think about it some more.
>
>Best Luck
>
>Karl
>?
>
>________________________________
>From: Terje Winther <terje.winther@...>
>To: xpantastic@...
>Sent: Fri, July 6, 2012 12:30:38 PM
>Subject: [xpantastic] only one board active
>
>?
>Hi all,
>Thanks a lot for all the help I have been given on this list. I have
>changed parts in the power supply, some CEM chips, all those el.caps
>who blocked tuning and sound, swapped some 74 series logic chips (so
>now all encoders works), and got new switches and rubber feet, and
>even a new key. And of course cleaned it up since all boards were out
>anyway.
>The Matrix-12 is almost all right now - it is just one peculiar error
>left:
>It seems that only one of the voice cards gets the proper commands.
>Voice 7 - 12 fails tuning of VCOs and VCFs, but all other tuning
>passes and there is sound from all 12 voices (if I turn them on) and
>the voices are almost in tune, and VCFs seems to work like they should.
>I also have another Matrix-12 in for service (yes, two M-12s in front
>of me - pretty sight!), and it too reportedly have an issue with only
>one of the voice cards working properly.
>I have double-checked the connectors (the paralell connector and the
>two 3-4 pin connectors) and they all seems to be fine.
>Any tips on what to do if one of the voice cards don?t responds?
>
>On another question: While having all the boards out, I noticed that
>there are very few manual trimmers on the M-12, but there are some,
>and I can?t seem to find any info on how to calibrate them. I have the
>service manual, and I find the trimmers there, so I can pretty much
>guess what to do, but it would be nice to know for sure.
>
>Terje Winther
>terje.winther@...
>
>
>

Terje Winther
terje.winther@...