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Re: A better Xpander Service Manual

 

TC, sounds good, let us know what's possible.


Re: A better Xpander Service Manual

 

>> I was planning to scan at 600dpi, lossless compression, full white flat. (with overlapping scans for the oversized pages) ?There¡¯s about 80 pages, and they¡¯d be fairly large files.

My scanner can do 600DP (as 1200 too, I think), I don't know if it has losses?output?though. Let me check.
I'm not too worried about the size, I have a google drive I can use


On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:53 AM r1n9o <3r1n915xt@...> wrote:

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Omar, thanks!? Let me know what you find!

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TC, I appreciate the offer.? I was planning to scan at 600dpi, lossless compression, full white flat. (with overlapping scans for the oversized pages) ?There¡¯s about 80 pages, and they¡¯d be fairly large files.? If you could meet that spec, and deliver originals as individual TIFFs, I¡¯d be up for it.? But I¡¯d hate to put you out, I was just looking forward to doing all that dirty work myself. :)


Re: A better Xpander Service Manual

 
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Omar, thanks! ?Let me know what you find!

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TC, I appreciate the offer. ?I was planning to scan at 600dpi, lossless compression, full white flat. (with overlapping scans for the oversized pages) ?There¡¯s about 80 pages, and they¡¯d be fairly large files. ?If you could meet that spec, and deliver originals as individual TIFFs, I¡¯d be up for it. ?But I¡¯d hate to put you out, I was just looking forward to doing all that dirty work myself. :)


Re: A better Xpander Service Manual

 

Hi

I have an original, but not likely to sell.
I do have a scanner, but never tried copying the board layout diagrams in that manual.

I"m willing to try making a PDF copy, and send it to you to proofread.


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 6:14 AM r1n9o <3r1n915xt@...> wrote:

Hi all,

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I¡¯d like to make a higher quality PDF of the Xpander Service Manual, to share with the group.? The copy floating around the web is illegible in some places, and appears to have been scanned off a photocopy.? (No slight to the hero that originally made it!)? I hope to make much higher resolution scans, and perhaps correct some of the known errors.

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So, does anyone have an original Xpander Service Manual (US version) that they might sell? The ideal would be a well preserved version, with all of the original schematics.? I¡¯d also be happy to pay ¡®rent¡¯, and return the original to its owner when finished.

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Hopefully, someone out there has a nice original lying around?

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Re: A better Xpander Service Manual

 

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I might, let me check and get back to you...

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Omar Torres
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On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:14 AM, r1n9o <3r1n915xt@...> wrote:

?

Hi all,

?

I¡¯d like to make a higher quality PDF of the Xpander Service Manual, to share with the group.? The copy floating around the web is illegible in some places, and appears to have been scanned off a photocopy.? (No slight to the hero that originally made it!)? I hope to make much higher resolution scans, and perhaps correct some of the known errors.

?

So, does anyone have an original Xpander Service Manual (US version) that they might sell? The ideal would be a well preserved version, with all of the original schematics.? I¡¯d also be happy to pay ¡®rent¡¯, and return the original to its owner when finished.

?

Hopefully, someone out there has a nice original lying around?

?


A better Xpander Service Manual

 

Hi all,

?

I¡¯d like to make a higher quality PDF of the Xpander Service Manual, to share with the group.? The copy floating around the web is illegible in some places, and appears to have been scanned off a photocopy.? (No slight to the hero that originally made it!)? I hope to make much higher resolution scans, and perhaps correct some of the known errors.

?

So, does anyone have an original Xpander Service Manual (US version) that they might sell? The ideal would be a well preserved version, with all of the original schematics.? I¡¯d also be happy to pay ¡®rent¡¯, and return the original to its owner when finished.

?

Hopefully, someone out there has a nice original lying around?

?


Re: Sticking Buttons on Xpander?

 

Ha, you're too kind. ?My Xpander hasn't lived such a romantic life of sun or stage lights. ?It does however spend a lot of time in a basement that gets very cold (55F). ?I think you're right, relative temperature changes are probably what induces the shrinking.


Re: Sticking Buttons on Xpander?

 

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Yes, s##t happens.
The plastic sheet indeed shrinks AFTER it expands because of heat caused by direct sunlight or stage lights.
When the instrument goes back into a flightcase directly after a gig and into much cooler freighthold (truck/plane),- the plastic sheet shrinks.

P.

Am 03.04.2020 um 00:26 schrieb r1n9o:

Hi everyone, It's been a while¡­

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Thanks to your suggestions, I fixed the sticking buttons on my (US) Xpander by filing the edges of the button holes to make them a bit wider.? (In fact, the holes look nicer now that they don't have ages of crud stuck to the sides. :P)

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I believe that the original cause of the sticky buttons is that the thick plastic sheet covering the front panel shrinks over time.? As the plastic shrinks evenly, it tightens towards the center of the panel.? On my Xpander,? _every_ button hole was shifted towards the center by a few millimeters, making the holes tighter against the sides of the buttons that face away from the center.? To re-widen the holes, it only takes a bit of filing the plastic cover where it had intruded on the hole.

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Virenfrei.


Re: Sticking Buttons on Xpander?

 
Edited

Hi everyone, It's been a while¡­

Thanks to your suggestions, I fixed the sticking buttons on my (US) Xpander by filing the edges of the button holes to make them a bit wider.? (In fact, the holes look nicer now that they don't have ages of crud stuck to the sides. :P)

I believe that the original cause of the sticky buttons is that the thick plastic sheet covering the front panel shrinks over time.? As the plastic shrinks evenly, it tightens towards the center of the panel.? On my Xpander,? _every_ button hole was shifted towards the center by a few millimeters, making the holes tighter against the sides of the buttons that face away from the center.? To re-widen the holes, it only takes a bit of filing the plastic cover where it had intruded on the hole.

If you¡¯re up for it, a few bits of advice¡­? Mostly common knowledge to anyone who¡¯s done this type of work, but just in case:

-You¡¯ll need to open and dissemble large parts of your Xpander.? Do not attempt this if you are uncomfortable, or if you don't have the patience to go slowly and safely.? This operation doesn¡¯t involve any electronics trickery, just a steady head and hand. Take pictures as you go. Unplug everything.

-Before you disassemble anything, be sure to take careful notes on which side of each hole needs to be ¡®expanded¡¯.? :)? Once everything¡¯s apart, it¡¯s easy to forget where your trouble spots are.? I did this by marking these spots on the front panel with small pieces of painters¡¯ tape, and taking copious pictures.? The only way to test your work is re-assembling everything, since the buttons only line up very precisely when screwed all the way back in, so get it right the first time! ? These covers will keep shrinking as they age, so also consider areas that aren¡¯t a problem _yet_ but look tight.?

-Everything's unplugged?

-Remove the volume and encoder knobs from the front panel. (First, pop off knob caps and loosen the interior screws.)

-Open it up and unplug all ribbon and power cables.

-Unscrew the cover from its hinges.? This is to keep loose filings away from the Voice and Power boards.

-Remove the Processor board and the the Pot board. ?There are a few screws for the Pot board hiding under the the Display board. ?The Display board is hinged, so you only have to remove three screws opposite those hinges. Then tilt up Display board to get to the remaining screws holding the Pot board down.? Again, take pictures to get it all back in later. ?

-Be _extremely_ careful when removing these large boards.? The I/O jacks on the Processor and Pot board can get stuck as you tilt it out, and could bend or break something.? The Display board holds the famously-difficult-to-replace VFDs.? These boards are all fragile, and will need a nice soft place to reside while you¡¯re working.

-Filing is the easiest part of the operation.? I used a set of small metal filers from the hardware store.? There were a few grades of tooth.? Use thick tooth first, then more refined ones.? I actually filed around all of the holes a bit to clean them, looks way better.

I think that¡¯s it.? I hope this info is helpful to someone, and thanks again for the advice.

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Matrix 12 US version EPROM dumps or chips

 

Wanted !

Matrix 12 US version EPROM dumps or chips.
Please if somebody has original US version bins, contact me.
Can't believe that nobody has it.
This synth is/was very popular and has been serviced a lot.

Best regards...?


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

Xpantastic!
 

Sorry, the name was Klaus Ploch. ...?/g/xpantastic/files/Software


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

 

Or maybe you tried to mention that they are compatible in some way ?
I doubt so.


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

 

Certainly.

But I got Matrix 12 here.
Whole another story ...


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

Xpantastic!
 

PS. Klaus Bloch's EPROMs are for the US version.


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

 

Thanks.
I actually was there before questioning.
Looks like there's only Xpander dumps are available ;(


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

 

Thanks.
It turns out there's no place to get US dumps or chips ?
Very strange and frustrating.
I thought there are more US versions of the keyboard are available.
Japanese seemed to be rather rare.
So, if ROM burns out, we get big 10 000$ brick ?

Auch ! ;(


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

Xpantastic!
 


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

 

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Hi,

It was me who dumped h thee ?Jap .Matrix 12 EPROMs and gave em to the web?

No, the CPU board was redisgned for the Jap version . They are similar but not identical?

You can still try to put the jap EPROMs files in your US one , but you¡¯ll end up with a ? voice processor malfunction ? message?
Cheers,

Manfred?

Le 27 janv. 2020 ¨¤ 15:30, leo-666 via Groups.Io <leo-666@...> a ¨¦crit?:

?Sorry for a little bit of offtop.
But I did not find the right particular topic for my question.
So to my view this topic looks like a proper place to ask.

Will?
?
[url]http://dbwbp.com/synthbin/Oberheim%20Matrix%2012%20(Japanese%20Edition)%20CPU%20&%20Voice%20EPROMs.zip[/url]
?
or?
?
[url]http://dbwbp.com/synthbin/Oberheim%20Matrix%2012%20(Japan%20version).zip[/url]
?
or?
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[url]https://www.vintagesynthshop.com/Oberheim-Matrix-12-OS-1-6-Rom-Firmware-bbaaaaqba.asp[/url]
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work on USA matrix 12 ???
?
I suspect dead EPROM chips in one that I'm servicing now
and need to know can I flash my own or buy.
Probably nowhere on the net I can see a set for a US version.
Vintagesynthshop telling that those won't work on US version.
But how can it be ???
The logic components are totally the same ?
?
Thanks.


Re: Xpander ROM disassembly

 

Sorry for a little bit of offtop.
But I did not find the right particular topic for my question.
So to my view this topic looks like a proper place to ask.

Will?
?
[url]http://dbwbp.com/synthbin/Oberheim%20Matrix%2012%20(Japanese%20Edition)%20CPU%20&%20Voice%20EPROMs.zip[/url]
?
or?
?
[url]http://dbwbp.com/synthbin/Oberheim%20Matrix%2012%20(Japan%20version).zip[/url]
?
or?
?
[url]https://www.vintagesynthshop.com/Oberheim-Matrix-12-OS-1-6-Rom-Firmware-bbaaaaqba.asp[/url]
?
work on USA matrix 12 ???
?
I suspect dead EPROM chips in one that I'm servicing now
and need to know can I flash my own or buy.
Probably nowhere on the net I can see a set for a US version.
Vintagesynthshop telling that those won't work on US version.
But how can it be ???
The logic components are totally the same ?
?
Thanks.


Re: 6264 > 6116 advantage

 

Not a Matrix 12 expert but I took a quick look at the schematics.

This looks to me like a way to give the factory the flexibility to either use 6116 or 6264 IC's, depending on which are easier (cheaper?) to get a? hold of.

I wonder what that looked like because 6116 is 24 pin while 6264 is 28 pin. The circuit board must have the traces and holes for a 28 pin socket then?

I expect that the amount of RAM that is actually used (addressed) by the firmware does not change. And that even if it's not spelled out, in the 6264 case only 4 RAM chips would be installed. Note how they talk about 4 extra jumpers to RAM0*, RAM1*, RAM2*, RAM3*. My guess is only those get installed.



Op za 25 jan. 2020 om 23:43 schreef leo-666 via Groups.Io <leo-666=[email protected]>:

Hello.

My question is regarding Matrix 12 RAM chips.
On CPU board there are RAM0, RAM1, RAM2, RAM3 chips.
Usually they are 6116 (2x8) in every Matrix 12 guts that I've seen.
(Xpander states 3 x 6264.)
In Matrix 12 service manual there's a note that 4 x 6264 can be used instead of 6116.
What's the advantage of this ? Is it really can quadruple RAM capacity ?
In this case probably all other chips are not needed.
Matrix has 16 RAM ICs, if using 6116 it turns out 16x2x8 = 256.
And if using 6264 ---- 4x8x8 = the same 256.
But as I understood, even in case when using 4 x 6264s, all other ICs (except U24 and U25) are also
needed.
Can somebody put some light on this theme.

Thanks...