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Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 



>On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 5:09 AM, "ipc.de@... [xpantastic]" wrote:
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>I am sorry, but I forgot to add to my previous post that for checking the consistency of the six voices you will have to:
>(1) acitvate ALL six voices in the master menu (ON/OFF VOICES menu)
>(2) perform tuning routine
>(3) check, if still all six voices are ON (tuning routine might switch off an un-tuned voice, without the unexperienced user knowing)
>(4) set assignment (ZONE) to ROTATE
>(5) play the same note consecutively (six times in a row),
>(6) repeat (5) for different settings and listen carefully.

>With ROTATE, each time the note is played by another voice. After six notes the same voice plays. So if you hear a different sound after six >notes, one voice is different from the >others. With a good ear you might spot even tiny differences between the voices. To locate the voice >number, look at the left most display. Each voice is represented by a dot.

>First try the clean waveforms of each OSC1 of each voice with open filter (4LP, Fc=127, Res= 0), then the same for OSC2. If all VCO waveforms >are consistent, go to the filter >settings, try different settings of Fc and of Res for each voice, try LP, HP and BP settings. If the six voices are >consistent in all these aspects, then most probably there is no problem >with the voices.

>Despite their high prices on the market and their essential function to the system, the CEM chips are not very prone to fail.

>Much more prone to fail are CMOS chips. They are used to switch and mix waveforms and filter characteristics in the XPander voice (CMOS
> 4016/4066, CMOS 4053). That's why I >recommend to test all waveforms and filter modes.

>The are also used to distribute the CVs from the DAC to the voices, but the latter will probably be detected by the TUNING routine. If not, you >may find out by testing different Fc >and Res levels in all voices (see above)

Hi All,? ???
Jeremy,ipc.de,??? This is all excellent advice! ^^^ I agree, The CEM chips are not prone to failure.

??? I might add:
Jeremy, what are your Master Transpose settings in the tune Page?? I have found it best to keep this at 0.? There is some interplay
between Master transpose and the different keyboard tracking functions at the edges of the keyboard.? If I set master transpose?to say
-24? It changes the VCO?tuning?slightly, and the VCF tracking needs to be turned off, and a new mod ( KEY > VCF) needs to be created.
The?mod amount (?key tracking) then?gets set about?halfway.?

At least on my Matrix 12

???????

Posted by: ipc.de@...


Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

I am sorry, but I forgot to add to my previous post that for checking the consistency of the six voices you will have to:

(1) acitvate ALL six voices in the master menu (ON/OFF VOICES menu)
(2) perform tuning routine
(3) check, if still all six voices are ON (tuning routine might switch off an un-tuned voice, without the unexperienced user knowing)
(4) set assignment (ZONE) to ROTATE
(5) play the same note consecutively (six times in a row),
(6) repeat (5) for different settings and listen carefully.

With ROTATE, each time the note is played by another voice. After six notes the same voice plays. So if you hear a different sound after six notes, one voice is different from the others. With a good ear you might spot even tiny differences between the voices. To locate the voice number, look at the left most display. Each voice is represented by a dot.

First try the clean waveforms of each OSC1 of each voice with open filter (4LP, Fc=127, Res= 0), then the same for OSC2. If all VCO waveforms are consistent, go to the filter settings, try different settings of Fc and of Res for each voice, try LP, HP and BP settings. If the six voices are consistent in all these aspects, then most probably there is no problem with the voices.

Despite their high prices on the market and their essential function to the system, the CEM chips are not very prone to fail.

Much more prone to fail are CMOS chips. They are used to switch and mix waveforms and filter characteristics in the XPander voice (CMOS 4016/4066, CMOS 4053). That's why I recommend to test all waveforms and filter modes.

The are also used to distribute the CVs from the DAC to the voices, but the latter will probably be detected by the TUNING routine. If not, you may find out by testing different Fc and Res levels in all voices (see above)


Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

You are sure that the voices aren't as good as before. So, what is your question?

I would like to help, but it is unclera to me what actually happened that blew your fuse ;-)
You used as different power cord? Where did you plug it in? at 230V mains or at 110V mains? Where do you find 230V and 110V mains in the same home installation?

The switching power supply of the XPander has, due to its nature, protection against surge and overvoltage, i.e. setting to 110V and plugging in 230V.
The primary (mains)? side of the PSR does not let more current in as needed no overvoltage should occur on the secondary side. Besides, the voltage supply for the voice chips have additional linear voltage regulators, that assure +/12 Volt output even if the input is three time as much.
The only thing that would suffer from overvoltage is the transformer, because approx. twice the current would flow at twice the voltage. That's why the fuse blew.

On the other hand, there might be a problem to the PSR itself that blew the fuse, which is not in direct relation to the "change of the power cord", in particular if you never applied overvoltage. But you reported that now the XPander is operating normal and even is performing the tuning routines.

As regards the voices, when using ROTATE assignment (standard), does each voice sound the same? Use different filter settings and different wave form settings. IF in all instances all voice sound the same, I seriously doubt that there is damage to the voices. Damage is something unpredictable. Else, we will have to claim that there is a stable condition 1 for all voices which existed before the fuse blew, and a second stable condition 2, after the event. This is very unlikely. If yes, you have created an all new version of Oberheim Voices and you should sell your XPander to a collector of rarities ;-)


Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

Well, the easiest way to check is put up a sample of some waveforms from Osc 1 and Osc 2 separately, across each voice with the filter wide open. (So one with Square wave on Osc 1, Osc 2 set to off, rotating for each voice, then one with a Saw wave on Osc 1, and so on) Then we can check against our own versions and let you know. The mixing of both oscillators happens outside the chip so no point to check there, same with the filter.

//deano

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Jeremy Smith jeremy@... [xpantastic] <xpantastic@...> wrote:
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Thomas Dial dialtr@... [xpantastic] wrote:

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> Have you tried running the tuning procedure?

Yes.

Everything checks out, I did entire diagnostics.

But I'm SURE the voice chips aren't as good as they were when I bought it.

Cheers,

Jeremy.



Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

Thomas Dial dialtr@... [xpantastic] wrote:



Have you tried running the tuning procedure?
Yes.

Everything checks out, I did entire diagnostics.

But I'm SURE the voice chips aren't as good as they were when I bought it.

Cheers,

Jeremy.


Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

Have you tried running the tuning procedure?

TD



From: "Jeremy Smith jeremy@... [xpantastic]"
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Re: Album done mainly on XPander

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Thomas Dial dialtr@... [xpantastic] wrote:

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> That's cool, Jeremy!
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> You've inspired me to share a track I wrote soon after I got my
> Xpander. It's done entirely with the Xpander except for the AIR Piano
> plugin that comes with ProTools.
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> It's a rough cut and there are some audible mistakes,

It's a lovely track, thanks for sharing. Nice melody, nice production.

Some nice XPander sounds there. I'm convinced my Xpander's voice chips
are faulty, I don't know if mine sounds like yours anymore. :-(

Jeremy.




Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

Thomas Dial dialtr@... [xpantastic] wrote:



That's cool, Jeremy!

You've inspired me to share a track I wrote soon after I got my Xpander. It's done entirely with the Xpander except for the AIR Piano plugin that comes with ProTools.

It's a rough cut and there are some audible mistakes,
It's a lovely track, thanks for sharing. Nice melody, nice production.

Some nice XPander sounds there. I'm convinced my Xpander's voice chips are faulty, I don't know if mine sounds like yours anymore. :-(

Jeremy.


Fuse blown on Xpander

 

Hi folks,

Soon after I got my Xpander, I had it on 110v and plugged in a 240v cable.

The fuse blew and I got some new fuses from Maplin. It seemed to work okay afer replacing the fuse.

My question is: Could the power surge blowing the fuse, have damaged the voice chips?

I'm convinced it doesn't sound as 'fresh' as a functional Xpander.

Cheers,

Jeremy.


Re: Album done mainly on XPander

 

That's cool, Jeremy!

You've inspired me to share a track I wrote soon after I got my Xpander. ?It's done entirely with the Xpander except for the AIR Piano plugin that comes with ProTools.

It's a rough cut and there are some audible mistakes,





Album done mainly on XPander

 

Hi folks,

Here's my new album :



I'm just posting it here because I need some people to listen to it -
and buy it!

'What Is Life' is not the Xpander, but the Korg Z1.

Cheers,

Jeremy.


Re: External trigger input

 

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Thanks Karl

I have actually got a modular synth sitting next door wanting to spit out cvs!

I've managed to trigger gates at the individual inputs so far but not that trig in.?

I'm going to up the voltage to 8v and report back.

Many thanks. I'm amazed how often the xpander simply blows any other synth in the vicinity out the water sound wise.

T


On 14 Jul 2017, at 18:12, Karl Schmeer shire03@... [xpantastic] <xpantastic@...> wrote:

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Hi,

The trigger input?must be above +5V .? A typical audio signal??is much lower in voltage, and is an AC bipolar ( +/- ) ?voltage. So an audio signal is too small
to work as a trigger. Unless you amplify it some way.




On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:27 AM, "trevordaly@... [xpantastic]" <xpantastic@...> wrote:


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Hello brothers!

Anybody have a wav file of a suitable click track for the trigger input?

I have tried a few, but no luck yet...

Thanks

trev




Re: Matrix-12 Service Routine Questions

 

Hi,

The?UNTUNE VCOs option typically sets the tuning to some random number and should not be used to set a default value.




On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 11:18 PM, "ipc.de@... [xpantastic]" wrote:


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??? (1) With UNTUNE VCOs of lower voice board sound about? one octave (1.2 Volts) lower than VCOs of upper board. Are there different default values for lower and upper boards? Same O.S. installed on both boards.

??? (2) DAC OFFSET service routine only works with lower voice board. How to adjust DAC offset on upper voice board?

??? (3) Coding jumper decides which board is "upper", which is "lower". Is it possible simply by way of swapping jumpers to make upper to lower and vice versa?

Many thanks for help and insights!?



Re: External trigger input

 

Hi,

The trigger input?must be above +5V .? A typical audio signal??is much lower in voltage, and is an AC bipolar ( +/- ) ?voltage. So an audio signal is too small
to work as a trigger. Unless you amplify it some way.




On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:27 AM, "trevordaly@... [xpantastic]" wrote:


?
Hello brothers!

Anybody have a wav file of a suitable click track for the trigger input?

I have tried a few, but no luck yet...

Thanks

trev




Matrix-12 Service Routine Questions

 

??? (1) With UNTUNE VCOs of lower voice board sound about? one octave (1.2 Volts) lower than VCOs of upper board. Are there different default values for lower and upper boards? Same O.S. installed on both boards.

??? (2) DAC OFFSET service routine only works with lower voice board. How to adjust DAC offset on upper voice board?

??? (3) Coding jumper decides which board is "upper", which is "lower". Is it possible simply by way of swapping jumpers to make upper to lower and vice versa?

Many thanks for help and insights!?


External trigger input

 

Hello brothers!

Anybody have a wav file of a suitable click track for the trigger input?

I have tried a few, but no luck yet...

Thanks

trev



Re: loading patches via sysex - Heeellllppppp!

 

Did you try the ones from the Xpander User Group newsletter?

I think I typed in all of those by hand, and saved them via syses.
For some reason, I didn't save them as a bank.



On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:35 PM, mattvrazo@... [xpantastic] <xpantastic@...> wrote:
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Agreed. The Xpander/M-12 factory patches have to be some of the worst ever and are pretty embarrassing given the power of the synths.

There really isn't much out there in terms of downloadable patches that I've seen, but I recently came across a site with five different custom banks and I loaded them all. Among those five hundred sounds or so, there were really only 3 or 4 really interesting patches that warranted saving. I guess the bottom line is that if you want decent patches for these machines, you have to program your own!



Re: loading patches via sysex - Heeellllppppp!

 

Agreed. The Xpander/M-12 factory patches have to be some of the worst ever and are pretty embarrassing given the power of the synths.

There really isn't much out there in terms of downloadable patches that I've seen, but I recently came across a site with five different custom banks and I loaded them all. Among those five hundred sounds or so, there were really only 3 or 4 really interesting patches that warranted saving. I guess the bottom line is that if you want decent patches for these machines, you have to program your own!


Re: loading patches via sysex - Heeellllppppp!

 

I did, of course ;-)
But wanted to hear how the default patches sound. I will certainly also try patches here, and am happy to share my stored patches - as an audio file...

I have the manual and think I followed the instructions, but Sysex Librarian on the latest OS X did something, but my Matrix 12 could not receive it somehow.


Re: loading patches via sysex - Heeellllppppp!

 

It's a shame you didn't save the patches before overwriting them. It would be nice t hear something new and refreshing.


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:03 PM minimoog74@... [xpantastic] <xpantastic@...> wrote:
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Bought a great Matrix12. Couldn't be happier. However: previous owner messed up patches - so I want to reload original factory patches (single.multi). Have read everything about this...but simply can't get it done. I am using sysex libririan and a ESI M4U midi interface. Would be really greatful for you help! Txxx Jose


Re: loading patches via sysex - Heeellllppppp!

 

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Do you have a manual ?

At least you have to enable MIDI sysex in the MIDI page ...

MASTER > MIDI > Enables > SYSTEMX

Manual page 49/50

receiving and transmitting device should be set to the same MIDI channel !

:-)

P.

Am 01.06.2017 um 11:44 schrieb geri77@... [xpantastic]:

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If it's of any help, I just recently restored the factory patches:

I also couldn't get it to work using MIDI, luckily it worked without any problem using the "audio interface": use some player on your computer to play the audio-file containing the whole patch-information, tell your Matrix 12 to import from audio, and then press play in your player.