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XEphem 3.7.7 live CD?


 

Dear XEphem-enthusiasts,
Do you know a Linux live-CD that includes the latest version of XEphem? I have used Distro-Astro 3.0.2 for a while but it has XEphem 3.7.6.
Yours,
Maxime


 

Live CD for what kind of Linux? It's one of the problems with
diversity. I'm on a 64-bit ARM machine, last it was a 32-bit ARM
(Raspberry Pi), I have no use for an Intel/AMD Linux disk.

But images that can be put on bootable USB devices are also options
these days, copy them with dd or one of a few GUI tools. USB memory
stick or just an SD card in a USB reader. A $35 Raspberry Pi runs
XEphem just fine. You could even rig up a battery and have it beside
your telescope.

But where to get one, no idea. If I were teaching a college astronomy
class I might make such a thing to hand out to my students. It takes
some somewhat specialized Linux knowledge to create a live CD, I've
never had a reason to try.
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Hi,
I should have added that this would be for a classroom with 16+1 regular PCs (Dell OptiPlex with Core i5 CPU, 8Gb RAM and CD-DVD drive). I have tried to make myself a USB key with a persistent install of Ubuntu 18.04 and XEphem (that I might duplicate and hand out, as you suggested) but I did not succeed. I also thought of a virtual machine but this is beyond my computer skills.
Yours,
Maxime


 

Hmm, I'll try to look it up but I think you just put the key in (so it's mounted) and install Linux to it.? Then unmount and try booting from it. There's no point in installing Xephem until you get the Linux booting.? But Linux is much more forgiving than Windows about being moved around.

Copying the files onto the medium isn't quite the same as installing onto it.? Debian I know has an image that's specifically for making a live CD (or usb stick).? It comes as an ISO file.? Once you get that booting you can add more stuff into it (on USB stick).? Then clone the USB stick as many times as you want.? Or use a CD burning program that will make an ISO file which you can maybe put on CD or DVD.

On Dec 4, 2019 3:10 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

Hi,
I should have added that this would be for a classroom with 16+1 regular PCs (Dell OptiPlex with Core i5 CPU, 8Gb RAM and CD-DVD drive). I have tried to make myself a USB key with a persistent install of Ubuntu 18.04 and XEphem (that I might duplicate and hand out, as you suggested) but I did not succeed. I also thought of a virtual machine but this is beyond my computer skills.
Yours,
Maxime


 

See

I'm not a Ubuntu fan but they probably have something similar.? Working on a USB stick means you can add stuff to it easily, set defaults, etc.

But getting that back into a form you can write to a DVD and have it boot I don't know about.? Piclone on a Raspberry Pi is good for cloning but it won't work on Intel stuff.? Look at Clonezilla also.

On Dec 4, 2019 7:28 AM, "ab1jx via Groups.Io" <alan01346=[email protected]> wrote:

Hmm, I'll try to look it up but I think you just put the key in (so it's mounted) and install Linux to it.? Then unmount and try booting from it. There's no point in installing Xephem until you get the Linux booting.? But Linux is much more forgiving than Windows about being moved around.

Copying the files onto the medium isn't quite the same as installing onto it.? Debian I know has an image that's specifically for making a live CD (or usb stick).? It comes as an ISO file.? Once you get that booting you can add more stuff into it (on USB stick).? Then clone the USB stick as many times as you want.? Or use a CD burning program that will make an ISO file which you can maybe put on CD or DVD.

On Dec 4, 2019 3:10 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:
Hi,
I should have added that this would be for a classroom with 16+1 regular PCs (Dell OptiPlex with Core i5 CPU, 8Gb RAM and CD-DVD drive). I have tried to make myself a USB key with a persistent install of Ubuntu 18.04 and XEphem (that I might duplicate and hand out, as you suggested) but I did not succeed. I also thought of a virtual machine but this is beyond my computer skills.
Yours,
Maxime


 

On this list
I've used Rufus and "Win32 Disk Imager" (such a catchy name I couldn't
remember it). Or clonezilla:

Or if you look for cheap USB sticks they start around $2 now


Most everything in the Windows world is oriented around profit and
selliing, in the Linux world most things are free. You could possibly
even make do with a $10 Raspberry Pi ZeroW computer but it's on the
slow side. OTOH Xephem was written when all computers were slow by
today's standards so it's quite efficient.

On 12/4/19, ab1jx via Groups.Io <alan01346@...> wrote:
See

I'm not a Ubuntu fan but they probably have something similar. Working on
a USB stick means you can add stuff to it easily, set defaults, etc.

But getting that back into a form you can write to a DVD and have it boot I
don't know about. Piclone on a Raspberry Pi is good for cloning but it
won't work on Intel stuff. Look at Clonezilla also.
On Dec 4, 2019 7:28 AM, "ab1jx via Groups.Io"
<alan01346@...>
wrote:

Hmm, I'll try to look it up but I think you just put the key in (so it's
mounted) and install Linux to it. Then unmount and try booting from it.
There's no point in installing Xephem until you get the Linux booting.
But
Linux is much more forgiving than Windows about being moved around.

Copying the files onto the medium isn't quite the same as installing onto
it. Debian I know has an image that's specifically for making a live CD
(or usb stick). It comes as an ISO file. Once you get that booting you
can add more stuff into it (on USB stick). Then clone the USB stick as
many times as you want. Or use a CD burning program that will make an
ISO
file which you can maybe put on CD or DVD.
On Dec 4, 2019 3:10 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

Hi,
I should have added that this would be for a classroom with 16+1 regular
PCs (Dell OptiPlex with Core i5 CPU, 8Gb RAM and CD-DVD drive). I have
tried to make myself a USB key with a persistent install of Ubuntu 18.04
and XEphem (that I might duplicate and hand out, as you suggested) but I
did not succeed. I also thought of a virtual machine but this is beyond
my
computer skills.
Yours,
Maxime



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-------------
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Cities are cages built to contain excess people and keep them from
cluttering up nature.
Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach


 

Hi ab1jx,
Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.
Thank you all for your help!
Maxime


 

OK, good luck.? I assume the current XEphem will be the final one, so it's worth building in the extra star catalogs.

I wonder if it could be compiled to run on an Android phone or tablet? It would certainly fit on a small SD card, I mostly don't know about the tiny user interface.? Android uses a Linux kernel.

On Dec 5, 2019 4:04 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

Hi ab1jx,
Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.
Thank you all for your help!
Maxime


 

Hey guys,


I'm the maintainer for xephem on openSUSE, I guess I could spin up a live CD based on openSUSE Leap 15.1 on short notice. What Desktop Environment would be preferred?

The available options:

KDE Plasma 5
GNOME
XCFE


cheers
MH


Am 2019-12-05 10:29, schrieb ab1jx:

OK, good luck. I assume the current XEphem will be the final one, so
it's worth building in the extra star catalogs.
I wonder if it could be compiled to run on an Android phone or tablet?
It would certainly fit on a small SD card, I mostly don't know about
the tiny user interface. Android uses a Linux kernel.
On Dec 5, 2019 4:04 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

Hi ab1jx,
Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the
Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see
if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer
from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile
a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.
Thank you all for your help!
Maxime
Links:
------
[1] /g/xephem/message/3697
[2] /mt/65753749/998436
[3] /g/xephem/post
[4] /g/xephem/editsub/998436
[5] /g/xephem/leave/defanged
--
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Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant, IT Trainer
Mathias.Homann@...
LinkedIn:
gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 f4dd 7776 e7d2 c042 6b8e 029e 13f2 c102


 

I'd say minimal like fvwm.? I was trying to remember if it needed X at all until I remembered it uses Motif as a widget set.

Wikipedia:

Homepage:

Not sure if you're making a CD or DVD but on the download page there are 3 tarballs intended originally for CDs.? The last 2 contain extra stars beyond minimal.? There's a readme in there somewhere that tells how to install them.? When it's working right it's hard to run out of stars even with a lot of zooming.? I think it's been dropped from Debian debs and you'll probably need to build from sources.? Not hard to do but it wants xprint I think, I haven't done it in a year or so.

Hey guys,


I'm the maintainer for xephem on openSUSE, I guess I could spin up a live CD based on openSUSE Leap 15.1 on short notice. What Desktop Environment would be preferred?

The available options:

KDE Plasma 5
GNOME
XCFE


cheers
MH


Am 2019-12-05 10:29, schrieb ab1jx:
OK, good luck.? I assume the current XEphem will be the final one, so
it's worth building in the extra star catalogs.

I wonder if it could be compiled to run on an Android phone or tablet?
It would certainly fit on a small SD card, I mostly don't know about
the tiny user interface.? Android uses a Linux kernel.

On Dec 5, 2019 4:04 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

Hi ab1jx,
Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the
Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see
if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer
from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile
a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.
Thank you all for your help!
Maxime



Links:
------
[1] /g/xephem/message/3697
[2] /mt/65753749/998436
[3] /g/xephem/post
[4] /g/xephem/editsub/998436
[5] /g/xephem/leave/defanged

--
Mathias Homann
Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant, IT Trainer
Mathias.Homann@...
LinkedIn:
gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 f4dd 7776 e7d2 c042 6b8e 029e 13f2 c102




 

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Hi,

?

?

like I said, I'm the maintainer of the rpm packages for xephem on opensuse. I've already been building and providing thoe for ... 15 years or so. I know about building from source and including catalogs.

?

Anyways, I just started a new project on my build service account, "astrotoolbox". Eventually the result will be a bootable hybrid iso image (can be written to a DVD or USB stick), unless it turns out bigger than 4.5GB in which case it'll be ony USB Stick, and on it you will find:

KDE Plasma 5 Desktop

GNOME Desktop

XFCE Desktop

?

XEphem 4.7.7

kstars

stellarium

cartes du ciel

?

and if I can pull it off the virtual moon atlas as well.

?

If there is demand there will also be VM images so you can run the whole thing in Hyper-V on your windows computer.

?

Cheers

Mathias

?

Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:38:29 CET schrieb ab1jx:

> I'd say minimal like fvwm. I was trying to remember if it needed X at all

> until I remembered it uses Motif as a widget set.

>

> Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/

> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEphem>XEphem

> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEphem>

>

> Homepage: http:// <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>

> www.clearskyinstitute.com <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>/

> <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>xephem

> <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>/

> <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>

>

> Not sure if you're making a CD or DVD but on the download page there are 3

> tarballs intended originally for CDs. The last 2 contain extra stars

> beyond minimal. There's a readme in there somewhere that tells how to

> install them. When it's working right it's hard to run out of stars even

> with a lot of zooming. I think it's been dropped from Debian debs and

> you'll probably need to build from sources. Not hard to do but it wants

> xprint I think, I haven't done it in a year or so.

> Hey guys,

>

>

> I'm the maintainer for xephem on openSUSE, I guess I could spin up a live

> CD based on openSUSE Leap 15.1 on short notice. What Desktop Environment

> would be preferred?

>

> The available options:

>

> KDE Plasma 5

> GNOME

> XCFE

>

>

> cheers

> MH

>

> Am 2019-12-05 10:29, schrieb ab1jx:

> > OK, good luck. I assume the current XEphem will be the final one, so

> > it's worth building in the extra star catalogs.

> >

> > I wonder if it could be compiled to run on an Android phone or tablet?

> > It would certainly fit on a small SD card, I mostly don't know about

> > the tiny user interface. Android uses a Linux kernel.

> >

> > On Dec 5, 2019 4:04 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ab1jx,

> >

> >> Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the

> >> Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see

> >> if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer

> >> from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile

> >> a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.

> >> Thank you all for your help!

> >> Maxime

> >

> > Links:

> > ------

> > [1] /g/xephem/message/3697

> > [2] /mt/65753749/998436

> > [3] /g/xephem/post

> > [4] /g/xephem/editsub/998436

> > [5] /g/xephem/leave/defanged

?


--

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Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant, IT Trainer

Mathias.Homann@... (email / XMPP)

LinkedIn: http://de.linkedin.com/in/mathiashomann/

telegram:

gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 ?C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102


 

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Ouaff ! merci d'avoir calm¨¦ le jeu car :
... le gars de chez Suse parle de .rpm et de "15 ans" .. il n'y a plus de rpm chez suse depuis plusieurs ann¨¦es
donc des probl¨¨mes d'installation des yum et compagnie ....!

... un autre veut inclure de catalogues ... alors le ucac1 fournit presque trop d'¨¦toiles -> magnitude 23 et 1 ou 2 mas ...!

Tu vas avoir pl¨¦thore de packages?:-D ... on verra dans 1 mois au r¨¦sultat ... je prends le pari !
Bien amicalement,
Serge.

On 05/12/2019 10:04, maxime.gommeaux@... wrote:
Hi ab1jx,
Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.
Thank you all for your help!
Maxime
-- 
Serge Montagnac + GPG Key 0xDF083D7B + 
  Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate.


 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

Hi Mathias,
Than you very much for your offer, if I can vote; KDE Plasma 5 please

Thank you

woeimun

On Thu, 2019-12-05 at 13:50 +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:

Hi,

?

?

like I said, I'm the maintainer of the rpm packages for xephem on opensuse. I've already been building and providing thoe for ... 15 years or so. I know about building from source and including catalogs.

?

Anyways, I just started a new project on my build service account, "astrotoolbox". Eventually the result will be a bootable hybrid iso image (can be written to a DVD or USB stick), unless it turns out bigger than 4.5GB in which case it'll be ony USB Stick, and on it you will find:

KDE Plasma 5 Desktop

GNOME Desktop

XFCE Desktop

?

XEphem 4.7.7

kstars

stellarium

cartes du ciel

?

and if I can pull it off the virtual moon atlas as well.

?

If there is demand there will also be VM images so you can run the whole thing in Hyper-V on your windows computer.

?

Cheers

Mathias

?

Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:38:29 CET schrieb ab1jx:

> I'd say minimal like fvwm. I was trying to remember if it needed X at all

> until I remembered it uses Motif as a widget set.

>

> Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/

> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEphem>XEphem

> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEphem>

>

> Homepage: http:// <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>

> www.clearskyinstitute.com <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>/

> <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>xephem

> <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>/

> <http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/>

>

> Not sure if you're making a CD or DVD but on the download page there are 3

> tarballs intended originally for CDs. The last 2 contain extra stars

> beyond minimal. There's a readme in there somewhere that tells how to

> install them. When it's working right it's hard to run out of stars even

> with a lot of zooming. I think it's been dropped from Debian debs and

> you'll probably need to build from sources. Not hard to do but it wants

> xprint I think, I haven't done it in a year or so.

> Hey guys,

>

>

> I'm the maintainer for xephem on openSUSE, I guess I could spin up a live

> CD based on openSUSE Leap 15.1 on short notice. What Desktop Environment

> would be preferred?

>

> The available options:

>

> KDE Plasma 5

> GNOME

> XCFE

>

>

> cheers

> MH

>

> Am 2019-12-05 10:29, schrieb ab1jx:

> > OK, good luck. I assume the current XEphem will be the final one, so

> > it's worth building in the extra star catalogs.

> >

> > I wonder if it could be compiled to run on an Android phone or tablet?

> > It would certainly fit on a small SD card, I mostly don't know about

> > the tiny user interface. Android uses a Linux kernel.

> >

> > On Dec 5, 2019 4:04 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ab1jx,

> >

> >> Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the

> >> Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see

> >> if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer

> >> from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile

> >> a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.

> >> Thank you all for your help!

> >> Maxime

> >

> > Links:

> > ------

> > [1] /g/xephem/message/3697

> > [2] /mt/65753749/998436

> > [3] /g/xephem/post

> > [4] /g/xephem/editsub/998436

> > [5] /g/xephem/leave/defanged

?


--

Mathias Homann

Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant, IT Trainer

Mathias.Homann@... (email / XMPP)

LinkedIn: http://de.linkedin.com/in/mathiashomann/

telegram:

gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 ?C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102


 

I don't use Windows, just little ARM machines like the Raspberry Pi.? Which runs XEphem fine, haven't tried it on a Zero.? It was written back in 386 and 486 days, I think there's some Fortran in there, pretty efficient.

On Dec 5, 2019 7:50 AM, "Mathias Homann" <Mathias.Homann@...> wrote:

Hi,

?

?

like I said, I'm the maintainer of the rpm packages for xephem on opensuse. I've already been building and providing thoe for ... 15 years or so. I know about building from source and including catalogs.

?

Anyways, I just started a new project on my build service account, "astrotoolbox". Eventually the result will be a bootable hybrid iso image (can be written to a DVD or USB stick), unless it turns out bigger than 4.5GB in which case it'll be ony USB Stick, and on it you will find:

KDE Plasma 5 Desktop

GNOME Desktop

XFCE Desktop

?

XEphem 4.7.7

kstars

stellarium

cartes du ciel

?

and if I can pull it off the virtual moon atlas as well.

?

If there is demand there will also be VM images so you can run the whole thing in Hyper-V on your windows computer.

?

Cheers

Mathias

?

Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:38:29 CET schrieb ab1jx:

> I'd say minimal like fvwm. I was trying to remember if it needed X at all

> until I remembered it uses Motif as a widget set.

>

> Wikipedia:

> <>XEphem

> <>

>

> Homepage: http:// <>

> <>/

> <>xephem

> <>/

> <>

>

> Not sure if you're making a CD or DVD but on the download page there are 3

> tarballs intended originally for CDs. The last 2 contain extra stars

> beyond minimal. There's a readme in there somewhere that tells how to

> install them. When it's working right it's hard to run out of stars even

> with a lot of zooming. I think it's been dropped from Debian debs and

> you'll probably need to build from sources. Not hard to do but it wants

> xprint I think, I haven't done it in a year or so.

> Hey guys,

>

>

> I'm the maintainer for xephem on openSUSE, I guess I could spin up a live

> CD based on openSUSE Leap 15.1 on short notice. What Desktop Environment

> would be preferred?

>

> The available options:

>

> KDE Plasma 5

> GNOME

> XCFE

>

>

> cheers

> MH

>

> Am 2019-12-05 10:29, schrieb ab1jx:

> > OK, good luck. I assume the current XEphem will be the final one, so

> > it's worth building in the extra star catalogs.

> >

> > I wonder if it could be compiled to run on an Android phone or tablet?

> > It would certainly fit on a small SD card, I mostly don't know about

> > the tiny user interface. Android uses a Linux kernel.

> >

> > On Dec 5, 2019 4:04 AM, <maxime.gommeaux@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ab1jx,

> >

> >> Thank you for your suggestions. I also received a message from the

> >> Jura supporting the use of a virtual machine in my case, I will see

> >> if my campus' IT people know how to do this. I also got an offer

> >> from one of this mailing-list's subscribers from Provence to compile

> >> a Knoppix live CD with XEphem 3.7.7.

> >> Thank you all for your help!

> >> Maxime

> >

> > Links:

> > ------

> > [1] /g/xephem/message/3697

> > [2] /mt/65753749/998436

> > [3] /g/xephem/post

> > [4] /g/xephem/editsub/998436

> > [5] /g/xephem/leave/defanged

?


--

Mathias Homann

Senior Systems Engineer, IT Consultant, IT Trainer

Mathias.Homann@... (email / XMPP)

LinkedIn:

telegram:

gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 ?C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102


 

Dear Mathias and Serge,
You both offered to create an updated version of your favorite distributions (SuSE for Mathias and Knoppix for Serge) including XEphem as well as other astronomy software.
Have you made some progress in this prospect?
Yours,
Maxime