I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

Dan

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Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

Dan

--
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

On Jan 24, 2021, at 3:24 PM, John Barrett via <tkertoy@...> wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ????

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.???????

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Dan

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Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

You are more than spoiled John. ?You probably think you are still in sunny CA.

Pruit

On Jan 24, 2021, at 3:24 PM, John Barrett via <tkertoy@...> wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ????

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.???????

<McLoughlin's east016.jpg>

Dan

--?
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

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I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

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I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

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On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

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Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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Dan

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--
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

?

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SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

?

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

?

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Dan

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--
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

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I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

?

?

SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

?

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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Dan

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--
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

Yes I do. My cabin was plumbed in pex. It can split also just not as quick as copper. I drained my cabin from then on. If you keep the shop heated you shouldn’t have any issues with freezing. I keep mine at 50 when I am not there and set it to 60 when I am otherwise I get too hot. Even when the temps are below zero outside.

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Scott “StrudsJeep” Strudwick

Gilbert, MN

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Barrett via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 10:32 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

?

?

SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

?

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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?

?

Dan

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--
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

On Jan 25, 2021, at 12:07 PM, John Barrett via <tkertoy@...> wrote:

I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 10:32 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?SF via?
Sent:?Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via??wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

?

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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Dan

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Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR?

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That's good to know. It probably doesn't freeze as hard here as Minnesota but I will still need to watch it. I plan on putting in a ball valve shut off inside the shop and tee off the main line to another ball valve for a low point drain. The foam rubber pipe insulation might be a good addition also.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

Yes I do. My cabin was plumbed in pex. It can split also just not as quick as copper. I drained my cabin from then on. If you keep the shop heated you shouldn’t have any issues with freezing. I keep mine at 50 when I am not there and set it to 60 when I am otherwise I get too hot. Even when the temps are below zero outside.

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Scott “StrudsJeep” Strudwick

Gilbert, MN

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Barrett via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 10:32 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

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I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

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John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

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On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

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Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

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You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

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When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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Dan

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Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

That's good to know. It probably doesn't freeze as hard here as Minnesota but I will still need to watch it. I plan on putting in a ball valve shut off inside the shop and tee off the main line to another ball valve for a low point drain. The foam rubber pipe insulation might be a good addition also.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 11:12 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

Yes I do. My cabin was plumbed in pex. It can split also just not as quick as copper. I drained my cabin from then on. If you keep the shop heated you shouldn’t have any issues with freezing. I keep mine at 50 when I am not there and set it to 60 when I am otherwise I get too hot. Even when the temps are below zero outside.

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Scott “StrudsJeep” Strudwick

Gilbert, MN

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Barrett via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 10:32 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

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John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

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On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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Dan

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Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:11 PM, SF

<sdfriend@...> wrote:

John, I am using I pipe warmer to insure the house supply does not freeze.? They come in all kinds of lengths.? Might be an idea.

SF

On 1/25/2021 12:40 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

That's good to know. It probably doesn't freeze as hard here as Minnesota but I will still need to watch it. I plan on putting in a ball valve shut off inside the shop and tee off the main line to another ball valve for a low point drain. The foam rubber pipe insulation might be a good addition also.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 11:12 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

Yes I do. My cabin was plumbed in pex. It can split also just not as quick as copper. I drained my cabin from then on. If you keep the shop heated you shouldn’t have any issues with freezing. I keep mine at 50 when I am not there and set it to 60 when I am otherwise I get too hot. Even when the temps are below zero outside.

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Scott “StrudsJeep” Strudwick

Gilbert, MN

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Barrett via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

?

I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 10:32 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

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John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

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On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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Dan

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Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR

I saw those at home depot. They probably cost about the same as running a light bulb? I've got about a 70' run so if I do a section at each end it would probably radiate down the pipe and keep the whole length from freezing.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:11 PM, SF

<sdfriend@...> wrote:

John, I am using I pipe warmer to insure the house supply does not freeze.? They come in all kinds of lengths.? Might be an idea.

SF

On 1/25/2021 12:40 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

That's good to know. It probably doesn't freeze as hard here as Minnesota but I will still need to watch it. I plan on putting in a ball valve shut off inside the shop and tee off the main line to another ball valve for a low point drain. The foam rubber pipe insulation might be a good addition also.

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 11:12 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

Yes I do. My cabin was plumbed in pex. It can split also just not as quick as copper. I drained my cabin from then on. If you keep the shop heated you shouldn’t have any issues with freezing. I keep mine at 50 when I am not there and set it to 60 when I am otherwise I get too hot. Even when the temps are below zero outside.

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Scott “StrudsJeep” Strudwick

Gilbert, MN

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Barrett via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

?

I don't know the BTU of my furnaces. The shop is insulated and I keep it at 70 degrees when I'm out there but I turn them off when I'm not. There's a half bath upstairs that's is supplied with copper pipe and apparently the water was not shut off before I bought the place and it froze and split in about 4 places. The previous owner spent a couple of months in the hospital and died about a year before I got here and his family didn't shut the water off to prevent it. I don't really want to keep the furnaces running to prevent that from happening again but I am thinking of replacing the copper with PEX pipe. I've heard that it will expand rather than split when it freezes. Anybody have any experience with it?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

On 1/25/2021 10:32 AM, Scott Strudwick wrote:

John, if it is any consolation, I live in northern Minnesota. My 2400 sq. ft. shop has only 1 80,000 btu propane furnace and I keep it at 55 degrees all winter. I go through about 800 gallons of propane for the entire winter and my shop is really well insulated.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of SF via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] What's going on?

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?

SF

On 1/24/2021 3:24 PM, John Barrett via groups.io wrote:

I guess I'm spoiled. My 1500 sq ft shop has 2 propane fired furnaces hanging from the ceiling. I'm out in the shop in a tee shirt working on the 5.7 Hemi swap in my Duster. This is my first full winter here so I'm watching to see how the propane holds up. So far after about 4 months of use the 500 gallon tank is just getting down to 60%.

?

I've got a couple of trouble codes on Tinkertoy that I need to check out. One is for the throttle position sensor which I recently replaced and the other is for the mass airflow sensor. As soon as I get the Duster off the lift I'll move Tinkertoy into the shop and check that out. Between hunting and playing with the toys retirement hasn't gotten boring yet.

?

John

56 Pickup TKER TOY

Graham, Wash.

?

On 1/24/2021 12:32 PM, Dan Mulholland wrote:

I assume, at least for some of us, it's cold and not so much fun in an unheated shop space right now.??? Nothing colder than 38 degrees and raining, like it is here this morning. ???

?

Been away from the Willys for a while, working on a boat build instead.????????? Got the wagon out for one long run last summer,??? back roads to the coast, and back, no problems.??? Lots of waves, with all the fingers, even.

?

You may remember the picture of Jim Russell's poor, burned up jeep, from the fire in the McKenzie valley last summer.??? Lots of trees burned, or were damaged.??? I managed to buy some clear western red cedar, full dimension 2X4 and 2X6's for this boat project, which consisted of responding to a Craigslist ad for cedar; said what I wanted, and they cut it with their little bandsaw mill the next day.?????? The logs were from a small property up the McKenzie.??? The bark was blackened, but the wood is fine, though there is a little bug damage.??? It's in the basement now,??? with a fan on it, with a dehumidifier going.??? Doing a weight watchers weigh in once a week, until the boards get to the approximate weight of kiln dried lumber.??? Each piece lost at least a pound in the first week, with one being below the kiln dried moisture level. If this trend continues, they all should be ready to use in 2-3 weeks.

?

When my Willys was young, the retired neighbor that lived on the Siuslaw river below us split cedar shakes from logs he'd pull out of the river- free driftwood, in other words. ??? Not anymore. ?????? A lot of the cedar available now is cut young, and knotty.??? Which is great for fences.??? Less so for pretty oars and seats.??? This picture is of the shake splitting operation; background is the Siuslaw River bridge, built by the WPA during the depression, with the city of Florence across the river;??? 1964. Low tide.??????

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?

?

Dan

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?

--
Dan

53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR