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Jerry Clough
 

The battery on my 47 CJ-2A doesn't seem to be charging as fast as it should.
The battery is brand new although the battery store gave one that was low on
charge. I charged it up and fired up my Jeep. Then I checked the amount of
volts and my reader said the battery was putting out 6.7-6.9 volts. I also
checked the generator and that was putting out a steady 7.2 volts. After
about 30 minutes of running, the battery was at 7.1. I am totally ignorant
on 6-volt systems. Are these good numbers? Is there a way of determining if
the battery is crap? Could it be the voltage regulator? How can I determine
if it's the regulator?

Thanks,
Jerry Clough
Green Bay, WI

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Jerry
According to my trusty book ,it saidsiF THE VOLTAGE DOES NOT DROP BELOW 5
VOLTS ON A 6 VOLT BATTERY OR 10 VOLTS ON A 12 VOLT BATTERY,THE BATTERY IS
SATISFACTORY. unquote
Bob


Reed Cary
 

--- Jerry Clough <jclough@...> wrote:
From: "Jerry Clough" <jclough@...>

The battery on my 47 CJ-2A doesn't seem to be charging as fast as it should.
The battery is brand new although the battery store gave one that was low on
charge. I charged it up and fired up my Jeep. Then I checked the amount of
volts and my reader said the battery was putting out 6.7-6.9 volts. I also
checked the generator and that was putting out a steady 7.2 volts. After
about 30 minutes of running, the battery was at 7.1. I am totally ignorant
on 6-volt systems. Are these good numbers? Is there a way of determining if
the battery is crap? Could it be the voltage regulator? How can I determine
if it's the regulator?
What is it that makes you think that the battery is not charging fast enough? Sorry, but I don't
get it. Are you watching your ammeter when you are running? Are you getting a slight postive
reading in the beginning, which tapers off after a few minutes? If you are concerned about the
battery condition, have you taken a hydrometer reading from each of the cells? I don't know what
to say.

If you really feel there is a problem, the reprinted Kaiser Service Manual, SM-1002-R6, has a
whole section devoted to the various test you can perform. This manual is available at most large
parts houses.

Good Luck,

Reed (CA)
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K. R.
 

--- Jerry Clough <jclough@...> wrote:
From: "Jerry Clough" <jclough@...>

The battery on my 47 CJ-2A doesn't seem to be
charging as fast as it should.
The battery is brand new although the battery store
gave one that was low on
charge. I charged it up and fired up my Jeep. Then I
checked the amount of
volts and my reader said the battery was putting out
6.7-6.9 volts. I also
checked the generator and that was putting out a
steady 7.2 volts. After
about 30 minutes of running, the battery was at 7.1.
I am totally ignorant
on 6-volt systems. Are these good numbers? Is there
a way of determining if
the battery is crap? Could it be the voltage
regulator? How can I determine
if it's the regulator?

Thanks,
Jerry Clough
Green Bay, WI
Dear Friends,

Let me crank up my Advice-O-Matic and see what
happens. If I understand you correctly, these numbers
sound pretty good. Remember a 35 amp 6v generator is
the equivalent of a 17.5 amp 12 generator, which isn't
a whole lot for output. Remember generators don't put
out much at low speeds, unlike alternators. About
15-20 minutes at cruising speed is required just to
recharge what energy was expended for starting.

To see a generator putting out about 7.2 volts sounds
good right after starting. As the battery is slowly
recharged, it will drop back into the 6.5 to 7.0
range. This is comparable to a 12 volt system, which
typically operates from 13-14 volts.

There is a quick way to check if your battery is OK.
Charge it fully and check with a hydrometer to make
sure. Turn on your headlights for about 10 seconds.
This kills what is known as a surface charge. Next
you need to apply a heavy load. If you can borrow a
battery load tester, that would be great. Even your
starting motor with the ignition disabled would work.
With your meter connected, load the battery via the
tester or your starter for 15 seconds. The minimum
after 15 seconds while still under load should be 4.8
volts. (Or 9.6 volts on a 12volt system) Some folks
use 5.0 as a minimum (10 on a 12volt system)

I was a bit confused, though, where you said your
battery was putting out 6.7-6.9 volts, but the
generator was putting out 7.2 volts. Was this at the
same time, or several minutes apart? Where did you
have your test leads during the two measurements? If
your generator was truly putting out 7.2 while at the
same time your battery only showed 6.7, there may be
some voltage drop through the cables themselves, which
will need attention. Don't forget the ground side of
the circuit also, which has multiple connections just
waiting to get you. 6 volt systems are easily slowed
down by the slightest voltage drops.

If you really want to get confused, I can try to
explain how to check for voltage drop along the length
of any conductor under load. It is one of the most
helpful electrical troubleshooting techniques.

Let us know if we can help more. I really like seeing
that 6v battery and massive generator under the hood
of my jeep.

Regards,
Vern
48 CJ2A in Vancouver, WA
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Reed Cary
 

--- "K. R." <kr98664@...> wrote:

If you really want to get confused, I can try to
explain how to check for voltage drop along the length
of any conductor under load. It is one of the most
helpful electrical troubleshooting techniques.
Yes, we'd like that too.

Let us know if we can help more.
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Good morning from New York:
I would like to remove my generator and regulator and replace it with a
altanator. Does any body know what altanator part number i need and can i
use the same generator support bracket. Is this an easy operation to
under take or is their a lot of modications needed. Question no. 2 : How
would i reinstall my plow pump, since now my generator would be gone?
This is being done on a 46cj2a, whiich is used soley for plowing my
driveways only. It allready has been converted to 12 volts since 1985
when i picked it up. Any help would be appreciated Thank you.

Bob
46 cj2a
48 cj2a( under full restoration)


Reed Cary
 

Bob,

There is an excellent write up an this, on the 3B site:



Reed (CA)

--- bob.dee@... wrote:
From: bob.dee@...

Good morning from New York:
I would like to remove my generator and regulator and replace it with a
altanator. Does any body know what altanator part number i need and can i
use the same generator support bracket. Is this an easy operation to
under take or is their a lot of modications needed. Question no. 2 : How
would i reinstall my plow pump, since now my generator would be gone?
This is being done on a 46cj2a, whiich is used soley for plowing my
driveways only. It allready has been converted to 12 volts since 1985
when i picked it up. Any help would be appreciated Thank you.

Bob
46 cj2a
48 cj2a( under full restoration)
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Thank you Reed. I am off to that site.
Bob


Sean R. Kerns
 

Bob,

As Reed has said, the write up on the 3B site is very good. As for a parts
source for the alternator, believe it or not, I was able to get one at NAPA
that worked for my application (a '48 CJ-2A). They have more than you'd
think, if you can convince them they have it and get them to look in their
books.

Sean

bob.dee@... wrote:

From: bob.dee@...

Good morning from New York:
I would like to remove my generator and regulator and replace it with a
altanator. Does any body know what altanator part number i need and can i
use the same generator support bracket. Is this an easy operation to
under take or is their a lot of modications needed. Question no. 2 : How
would i reinstall my plow pump, since now my generator would be gone?
This is being done on a 46cj2a, whiich is used soley for plowing my
driveways only. It allready has been converted to 12 volts since 1985
when i picked it up. Any help would be appreciated Thank you.

Bob
46 cj2a
48 cj2a( under full restoration)
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I just read Eric Lawson write up on the generator to alternator
conversion. Excellent write up. Everything in detail. Thanks Reed for
steering me in the right direction.

Bob