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Re: DMR Hotspot Frequencies

 

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Mike,

Excellent question, and sorry for the long answer.? The question applies to everyone with their own low-power hotspot (typically 10 milliwatts)? or even higher-power hotspot or full duplex homebrew repeater.? It also applies to whatever mode, whether DStar, DMR, Fusion, P-25, etc.

What people forget is that even low power transmissions can interfere with others.? A common problem is when a hotspot is put on the same frequency reserved for earth-moon-earth QSOs.? Those folks are dealing with really weak signals coming back from the moon, and even a low power errant signal can destroy their day.? Ditto frequencies reserved for satellites, whether stationary or low earth orbit.?

One answer is to refer to published band plans that apply to our area.? Most digital voice radios work on 2 meters and/or 70 cm.? For people in the SF East Bay, NARCC (Northern Amateur Relay Council of California) is the primary frequency coordination organization.? Their website at has a link to their band plans and currently-coordinated repeaters.?

While I am not an expert on what NARCC would recommend for hotspots, it is obvious we want to stay away from frequencies set aside for Weak Signal and Satellite.? We also want to avoid any frequencies already coordinated for repeaters within RF distance of our area.? Their website has a link to coordinated repeaters in the area.?

Note:? We have an unusual situation in this area.? NARCC has not been coordinating digital mode repeaters, including the W6CX DStar repeater, so unlike some regions, they have not been able to re-farm their spectrum to put narrow-band repeaters like digital mode repeaters into lower-bandwith segments.? (DStar repeaters have a theoretical bandwidth of 6.25 kHZ, though some use up to 10 KHz.? DMR repeaters require at least 12.5 KHz but may take a bit more, perhaps 15 KHz.? In any case, digital repeaters do use less bandwidth than NARCC sets aside - 25 or 20 KHz-? for the repeaters they coordinate.)

Since FCC Part 97 does not disallow having more than one frequency coordination organization in a given geographical area, there is in fact another organization that has taken over coordinating digital mode repeaters in NorCal? NCDCC Northern California Digital Coordination Council – They are carefully coordinating digital voice repeaters (DStar, DMR, etc.) and keeping NARCC informed about their coordinated frequency pairs.? People out of this area might think this is a bizarre solution, but it has been working for nearly 10 years.? In fact, the list of repeaters on the NARCC site (for example, for 2 meters) shows the NCDCC-coordinated digital repeaters but lists them as not coordinated. (They ARE coordinated, but by another entirely legal coordination organization.)? But you will find the W6CX DStar repeater there, which makes it easy for people to stay away from all the repeaters in the area.

Back to your question – stay away from allocated band segments like those for weak signal and satellite and stay away from repeater frequencies.? You are probably ok using a frequency in the Digital segment, as long as listening reveals that is not already being used in your area.?

? Jim – K6JM


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [w6cx-dstar] DMR Hotspot Frequencies

Jim, et. al,

You say questions about DMR and other protocols are welcome here; so I have one.

I heard at Pacificon that some people setting up their own DMR hotspots are putting them on a frequency that interferes with other operations. So what are some frequencies hotspots can be tuned to and still play nice in the sandbox?

Mike

N6JGA

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Moen
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 4:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MDARC] W6CX DStar has new "groups.io" group

With the scaling back of Yahoo Groups, we've set up a new group called w6cx-dstar on the groups.io system.? Those who have been subscribed to the old w6cx_dstar group on Yahoo Groups and whose email address there is still valid have been automatically set up on groups.io.??

If you would like to join this group, just go to?
/g/w6cx-dstar/join??

While the focus is on DStar, many hams also have DMR, Fusion or other Digital Voice radios, so questions and discussions about DV in general are welcome.? Feel free to post questions and/or answers there.??

And while accessing the MDARC DStar repeater is the most common way for Bay Area hams to have DStar QSOs, there are many cases when having your own low power hotspot will be useful.? So discussions about DV hotspots or even home-based repeaters are also welcome.? I have often said we are living in a golden age of digital voice.? It is fun and it keeps improving.??

For more info about our DStar repeater, check out?


? ? Jim - K6JM
? ? W6CX DStar Gateway Admin


DMR Hotspot Frequencies

 

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Jim, et. al,

?

You say questions about DMR and other protocols are welcome here; so I have one.

?

I heard at Pacificon that some people setting up their own DMR hotspots are putting them on a frequency that interferes with other operations. So what are some frequencies hotspots can be tuned to and still play nice in the sandbox?

?

Mike

N6JGA

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Moen
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 4:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MDARC] W6CX DStar has new "groups.io" group

?

With the scaling back of Yahoo Groups, we've set up a new group called w6cx-dstar on the groups.io system.? Those who have been subscribed to the old w6cx_dstar group on Yahoo Groups and whose email address there is still valid have been automatically set up on groups.io.??

If you would like to join this group, just go to?/g/w6cx-dstar/join??

While the focus is on DStar, many hams also have DMR, Fusion or other Digital Voice radios, so questions and discussions about DV in general are welcome.? Feel free to post questions and/or answers there.??

And while accessing the MDARC DStar repeater is the most common way for Bay Area hams to have DStar QSOs, there are many cases when having your own low power hotspot will be useful.? So discussions about DV hotspots or even home-based repeaters are also welcome.? I have often said we are living in a golden age of digital voice.? It is fun and it keeps improving.??

For more info about our DStar repeater, check out?

? ? Jim - K6JM
? ? W6CX DStar Gateway Admin


Re: W6CX's DStar Repeater - New Router!

 

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Thanks Jim for your work on maintaining the system for MDARC. ?KG6MZV.


On Dec 11, 2019, at 4:19 PM, James Moen <jmm@...> wrote:

?A lot has been happening behind the scenes up on the South Peak of Mt Diablo, where MDARC's analog and DStar repeaters are located.? For years, we've had internet connectivity up there, used for IRLP and Echolink by the analog repeater, and by the DStar Gateway for linking to reflectors, to provide our DStar Dashboard and to have a page to register your callsign for DStar.??

But we were experiencing internet outages due to bad guys attacking our router, so the Tech Committee did a project to install a new hardened system with a new router that is able to withstand these attacks better.? Since installation, our up time has been 100%, so thanks to the Tech Committee for fixing this problem.??


Icom 5100A

 

Hi everyone,
I recently had an Icom 5100A unit stolen here in the Bay area from my Jeep. If you see some non HAM selling one or one for sale locally please advise.?

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N6CAL

Lee


Linking to 3 types of reflectors

 

For those new to DStar on W6CX, it's useful to know that the W6CX DStar repeater is running special software on its Gateway computer.? This software allows users to issue link commands not only to traditional DPlus reflectors with names starting with REF (example is our normally-linked reflector REF014C), but also to DExtra reflectors (names starting with XRF) and DCS reflectors.??

This is possible because most of the time, the gateway runs the Open Source software written by G4KLX.? If you are new to DStar, of course you want to get going as quickly as possible and just have QSOs.? At some point, you may want to learn how to have your radio send out unlinking and link commands.? We encourage our users to do this whenever the repeater is not busy.?

You can read more about linking at??

I encourage people with a new DStar radio to first get used to its DR mode.? Be sure to check if the W6CX DStar repeater's info in the radio's pre-loaded tables has the correct frequencies ().? Once that is ok, DR mode makes it really easy to have QSOs and to issue unlink and link commands.? Because we have access to REF, XRF? and DCS reflectors, we can reach many, many people around the world.? I still remember my first QSO over DStar with a foreign ham -- I got the W6CX DStar repeater to link to a reflector with mostly UK hams.? I called out about midnight here and a taxi driver in London came right back.? Now, I've had many DX QSOs on HF over the years, but this QSO had no static or noise, like the ham was next door.?

I like REF030C, based in Atlanta, because there are a lot of interesting people there.? But there are so many other reflectors out there.? Feel free to find them and link our repeater to them.?

When done, please link back to our default -- REF014C.? This is based in Las Vegas and has various west coast repeaters linked to it.? If your relink fails, hopefully someone else will fix it during the day, otherwise it will be reset to REF014C during the night.?

The repeater is here for all to enjoy -- have fun with it!? And if you have questions or issues, feel free to post questions here.?

? ?Jim - K6JM
? ?W6CX DStar Gateway Admin


W6CX's DStar Repeater - New Router!

 

A lot has been happening behind the scenes up on the South Peak of Mt Diablo, where MDARC's analog and DStar repeaters are located.? For years, we've had internet connectivity up there, used for IRLP and Echolink by the analog repeater, and by the DStar Gateway for linking to reflectors, to provide our DStar Dashboard and to have a page to register your callsign for DStar.??

But we were experiencing internet outages due to bad guys attacking our router, so the Tech Committee did a project to install a new hardened system with a new router that is able to withstand these attacks better.? Since installation, our up time has been 100%, so thanks to the Tech Committee for fixing this problem.??


Welcome to the w6cx-dstar "groups.io" discussion group

 

Welcome!

Please feel free to post questions and answers not just about DStar and the W6CX DStar repeater, but related questions about digital voice over radio.? Many of us use not only DStar, but DMR, Fusion and other digital voice modes.??

This group is a continuation of the previous Yahoo Group called w6cx_dstar.? With Verizon's decision to scale back Yahoo Groups to a simple messaging system and to delete all archived messages and files, it was time to move to groups.io.? The creator of groups.io is the original author of what became Yahoo Groups.? groups.io is similar, but has more features and is quite a bit more reliable.??

? ? ? Jim - K6JM
? ? ? W6CX DStar Gateway Admin