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Short in my crossover


 

I created a photo in crossover wiring. ? I have each turnout isolated with plastic joiners marked in black in the picture. ?The dots are where I have the wires. positive and negative self explanatory. ?I have PECO Electrofrogs. ?The frogs are hooked up to a tam valley frog juicer. ?No other modifications were made to the turnout other than removing the spring. ?Why am I getting a short?
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Thanks Kurt


 

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Would need to see the track layout in order to better respond. Issue suggests that / the parallel tracks coming out either of both ends for a loop, essentially creating a reverse loop.

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I am presuming the short is at the actually cross over and not at the frogs.

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Do you have a multimeter you can you use to confirm/test?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 5:21 PM
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Subject: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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I created a photo in crossover wiring. ? I have each turnout isolated with plastic joiners marked in black in the picture. ?The dots are where I have the wires. positive and negative self explanatory. ?I have PECO Electrofrogs. ?The frogs are hooked up to a tam valley frog juicer. ?No other modifications were made to the turnout other than removing the spring. ?Why am I getting a short?

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Thanks Kurt


 

I added more pictures, I don't think it is in the frogs, because when I wire up the crossover or the upper turnout that is when I get the short. ?I have sections isolated with plastic joiners. ?Do I need a dual frog juicer?


 

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I just reread your email where you asked if you need a dual frog juicer.? Each frog needs its’ own frog juicer om this situation.? If you have both running off the same one both frogs will always be the same polarity and they will be on? opposite rails if routed through the crossover.? You probably witness all is good when the train crosses the first frog and the short occurs when you cross the second frog, not matter what direction…

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 9:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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I added more pictures, I don't think it is in the frogs, because when I wire up the crossover or the upper turnout that is when I get the short. ?I have sections isolated with plastic joiners. ?Do I need a dual frog juicer?


 

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Ok I have separate frog juicers for each one

Kurt

On Mar 9, 2025, at 7:13?AM, Jim Zarnick via groups.io <jameszarnick@...> wrote:

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I just reread your email where you asked if you need a dual frog juicer.? Each frog needs its’ own frog juicer om this situation.? If you have both running off the same one both frogs will always be the same polarity and they will be on? opposite rails if routed through the crossover.? You probably witness all is good when the train crosses the first frog and the short occurs when you cross the second frog, not matter what direction…

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 9:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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I added more pictures, I don't think it is in the frogs, because when I wire up the crossover or the upper turnout that is when I get the short. ?I have sections isolated with plastic joiners. ?Do I need a dual frog juicer?


 

So I think I isolated it to the frogs that is causing the short. ?I have tried rewiring each frog in the crossover and it still shorts it out depending on the the turnout position. ?So now what?


 

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Isolate the problem to the frogs by disconnecting them from the frog juicers.? Do you still have a short?

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If so, do you have a reverse loop in this setup?? That is, doesn’t your track work allow the train to reverse direction of travel simply by going forward and coming back out of the loop?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2025 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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So I think I isolated it to the frogs that is causing the short. ?I have tried rewiring each frog in the crossover and it still shorts it out depending on the the turnout position. ?So now what?


 

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I disconnected both juicers and no short

Kurt

Could the frog juicer be bad?

On Mar 9, 2025, at 1:00?PM, Jim Zarnick via groups.io <jameszarnick@...> wrote:

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Isolate the problem to the frogs by disconnecting them from the frog juicers.? Do you still have a short?

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If so, do you have a reverse loop in this setup?? That is, doesn’t your track work allow the train to reverse direction of travel simply by going forward and coming back out of the loop?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2025 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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So I think I isolated it to the frogs that is causing the short. ?I have tried rewiring each frog in the crossover and it still shorts it out depending on the the turnout position. ?So now what?


 

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I have 2 reverse loops but they are isolated with plastic joiners, and I have them on NCE AR 10 reverse loop circuits?

Kurt

On Mar 9, 2025, at 1:00?PM, Jim Zarnick via groups.io <jameszarnick@...> wrote:

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Isolate the problem to the frogs by disconnecting them from the frog juicers.? Do you still have a short?

?

If so, do you have a reverse loop in this setup?? That is, doesn’t your track work allow the train to reverse direction of travel simply by going forward and coming back out of the loop?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2025 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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So I think I isolated it to the frogs that is causing the short. ?I have tried rewiring each frog in the crossover and it still shorts it out depending on the the turnout position. ?So now what?


 

We are getting closer! ?Double check the trip amperage on the frogs juicers. ?It needs to be lower than the trip amperage of your booster. ?Otherwise the booster shorts before the frog juicers can function as desired.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io <kgeitzenauer@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2025 4:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover
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I have 2 reverse loops but they are isolated with plastic joiners, and I have them on NCE AR 10 reverse loop circuits?

Kurt

On Mar 9, 2025, at 1:00?PM, Jim Zarnick via groups.io <jameszarnick@...> wrote:

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Isolate the problem to the frogs by disconnecting them from the frog juicers.? Do you still have a short?

?

If so, do you have a reverse loop in this setup?? That is, doesn’t your track work allow the train to reverse direction of travel simply by going forward and coming back out of the loop?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kurt Geitzenauer via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2025 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Short in my crossover

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So I think I isolated it to the frogs that is causing the short. ?I have tried rewiring each frog in the crossover and it still shorts it out depending on the the turnout position. ?So now what?


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I think I figured it out, I had a bad frog juicer. ?I switched it out for a different one and it works. ?Thank you for all your help. ?I really do appreciate it
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Kurt