Re: last chance to speak out against Broadway widening demolitions
Hello again, If you need some more info, here is a recent article to look at... | | | | | | The Broadway Boulevard Project suffered a meltdown last week, when several members of its Citizens Task Force¡ªapparently convened to be a flock of s... | | | | Preview by Yahoo | | | ? and some older media...
| | | | | | Back in 2006, Pima County voters approved the?Regional Transportation Authority (RTA) and a 20-year plan?to improve or create roads, bridges, bike ... | | | | Preview by Yahoo | | | ? Thanks again, Carlos ---In vanishingtucson@..., <mistercopacetic@...> wrote : Hello All, Sorry for the last minute notice, but Thursday night may be the last chance for us to speak out against the Broadway widening demolitions. This is the single most destructive project since the urban renewal of the 1960's and 70's.? I've seen all the plans, and the current six lane plan can be built without a single historic demolition.? And fewer demolitions will save millions of tax dollars.? If we can prevent the demolitions, I'm predicting that Broadway from Euclid to Country Club will become very much like Congress and Fourth Avenue, but in a funky, Mid Century Modern way. The official public comment period is over, but we can still make our views known, or simply show up to support the Citizens Task Force, which, in my view, is being bullied by the City.? Please come to the Broadway Citizens Task Force meeting.? Start time is?5:30 p.m., Thurs., March 26
Location is 1200 N. Campbell, activity building at Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Years from now, our grandchildren will be glad we helped save Broadway from being turned into an urban highway.
Thanks,
Carlos
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last chance to speak out against Broadway widening demolitions
Hello All, Sorry for the last minute notice, but Thursday night may be the last chance for us to speak out against the Broadway widening demolitions. This is the single most destructive project since the urban renewal of the 1960's and 70's.? I've seen all the plans, and the current six lane plan can be built without a single historic demolition.? And fewer demolitions will save millions of tax dollars.? If we can prevent the demolitions, I'm predicting that Broadway from Euclid to Country Club will become very much like Congress and Fourth Avenue, but in a funky, Mid Century Modern way. The official public comment period is over, but we can still make our views known, or simply show up to support the Citizens Task Force, which, in my view, is being bullied by the City.? Please come to the Broadway Citizens Task Force meeting.? Start time is?5:30 p.m., Thurs., March 26
Location is 1200 N. Campbell, activity building at Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Years from now, our grandchildren will be glad we helped save Broadway from being turned into an urban highway.
Thanks,
Carlos
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The F-4E that went in at 29th St and Alvernon Way (18 Dec 1967) hit just behind the Food Giant supermarket..? Not so fortunate for those who lived behind the store on Winstel, but it probably saved dozens of shoppers inside Food Giant. The butcher shop refrigerated section blocked a lot of the blast and fire that followed the initial impact.
John Holden
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Alvernon, Dec 18th, 1968. ?I was there within 100 feet of where it landed. ?Spent all night putting fires out on our Cactus Bowl roof.
Jim Hilkemeyer
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Re: Petrocelli, episode one, 1974, frame by frame
Great work, Carlos!?
I never knew about the Brady Castle. Where abouts was it located?
I look forward to your next post, thanks!
Anthony a.k.a. "Shiwoh"
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Jet Crash into Food Giant supermarket
A U.S. Air Force Phantom Jet crashed into a Food Giant grocery store in Tucson on Monday, Dec. 18, 1967. Four people died. (The address of the Food Giant grocery store was 1830 E. Alvernon. Near East 29th Street and South Alvernon.)
Sources:
"Four dead, none reported missing, toll called 'miracle'." Tucson Citizen. December 19, 1967. Page 1
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Petrocelli, episode one, 1974, frame by frame
Hello All,
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Many thanks to ¡°Shiwoh¡± for alerting the group to the
existence of entire seasons of Petrocelli posted on YouTube.? I¡¯ve been looking for these for years. Before
TV Land aired these, there were only a few episodes on the internet in German,
without subtitles.? Also thanks to whoever
recorded and posted the shows on YouTube.
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I downloaded all of season one, and will post screenshots of
identifiable Tucson locations, especially those that are now gone, or locations
that have changed a lot since 1974, or are otherwise remarkable for any
reason.?? ?
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Back in the Seventies, I preferred Beretta or Columbo over
Petrocelli, but I did watch a few episodes.?
The basic premise was popular in the 70¡¯s: to leave the big-city ¡°rat
race¡± and live a simpler life in a small town.?
Like Jim Rockford, Tony and Maggie Petrocelli lived in a trailer. In this case, the
small town was ¡°San Remo¡±, but we all know it was Tucson.? The famous opening shows Petrocelli¡¯s office
on the second floor of the Indian Village Trading Post overlooking Scott Avenue
at Congress Street (see screenshots).?
This historic building was originally a bank.? Don¡¯t worry, the entire building awaits
restoration, and the neon signs have already been rescued by private collectors.
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So, starting with season one, episode one, here are some
locations I found interesting.? Please
feel free to comment.? I¡¯ll give the
approximate time in the episode so you can watch on YouTube if you want, but
the screenshots work better, I think.
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Here¡¯s the link to episode one¡
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the screenshots are here:
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1:00 - intro - shot of Petrocelli¡¯s office, as mentioned
above.
There is a better shot at 25 minutes.
I also wonder if they used that building for the interior
office shots as well?? A friend of mine
said that the second story was empty in the seventies, and he rented it out as
art studio space.? I never asked him
about Petrocelli¡¯s office.? The venetian
blinds look identical inside and out.? Hopefully
in a later episode the blinds may be open and we¡¯ll see identifiable buildings
out the window.
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4:45, 14:00, 32:00, etc. - this is the Brady Castle, or ¡°Wuestenschloss.? 4,755 square feet on 22 acres, complete with
towers, moat, drawbridge, etc.? The
castle was built to? William Brady¡¯s
specifications around 1970, using 43,000 bricks imported from Mexico.? The Brady¡¯s hosted lavish parties featuring
Hollywood stars, but by 1976 Brady put it up for sale.? He listed it at $875,000, but there were no
takers, so an auction was held, with a winning bid of only $295,000.? Brady was disgusted by this and fought the
sale in court for years. After he died, his wife released the property in 1982.? The castle changed hands and uses several
times after that.? One of the more recent
owners dubbed it ¡°SunRock Castle.? It was
eventually demolished in 2010.?
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This episode offers great views of the exterior, night and
day, as well as the mysterious interior, especially the ¡°Throne Room¡±. I always
wondered about that place when I drove by it on Camino De Oeste.?
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12:25 - Pima County Courthouse
The Courthouse hasn¡¯t changed much since 1974, but the
parking garage across the street is now the library.
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13:45 - Pima County Courthouse - a shot of the seldom used
side entrance.
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20:40 - The Silver Room on Plumer, south of Broadway.
This great little bar and grill has changed little
since 1974.? They now serve Mexican
food.? View these screenshots on your
smart phone next time you go there for lunch, and compare 1974 to today.? Great cameo by Rose Marie as the bartender.
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29:30 ¨C For this episode, they put a sign in front of this
building reading ¡°STATE CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION FOR WOMEN¡±.? Okay, if you¡¯ve gotten this far, please help
me out.? What building is this?? There are two shots.? Southern Pacific Hospital?? I give up.
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Thanks again,
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Carlos
P.S. Oops, I just noticed there was a pilot episode that came before episode one.? We'll watch that one next.
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Wasnt that a Luckys Market on Alvernon that was hit and destroyed by a jet from DM
I believe in 1969 or 70 ? My husband and I were stunned to hear that report come on the car radio as we had been shopping there about 30 minutes earlier to pick up a few things on our way home from a friends house.
-DebKaye
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And don't forget the Goodmans at the SE corner of 22nd and Cherry. One of the few that is no longer standing.
John Holden
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The "Anthony J Petrocelli" window stayed in place for many years after the series ended. I don't know when it finally was removed, but I am pretty certain it was after 2000.
John Holden
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I remember walking on the street looking up at a building window that had Pertrocelli's name printed on it. Don't know if that stayed there during the time the series was being filmed or just there for a certain scene shot . I liked the show especially to see scenes showing out city's landmarks.
DebKaye
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There was also a Goodmans/Luckys at Southgate shopping center @ South 6th Ave/I-10 .
DebKaye
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I recall the grocery as being an AJ Bayless...although it may have been a Consumer's, prior to my arrival in 1959.? Definitely NOT a Goodman's in that location.? There were several on the far east side of Tucson...in County Fair (22/Craycroft), Swanway (Swan and Broadway) an a later addition in Eastgate (Speedway east of Craycroft).? All prior to the Goodman's buyout by Lucky Stores.
John
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Hi Everyone,
I found a lot of the Petrocelli episodes on youtube. It's a great walk in the past as you can see quite a few Tucson landmarks from the 70s. Enjoy!
This episode shows the old airport and I think the UofA library:
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This one shows downtown and city hall:
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Use the search function and you can find many more.
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Myerson's and the grocery store. I think it was a Goodman's? It's where T?J Max is now. That's the only original structure that hasn't been demolished. I think the plan is to rehab it to fit in with the other new buildings that are going up.
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Whats was the anchor store..Meyersons? I remember getting shoes there, I think they gave you a gold egg with a prize too.? I think Sids was there too, pre Best Buy little box store.
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I grew up by Palo Verde Park, one of my earliest memories is of the lunch counter in Defender Drugs. This was pre 1970 I don't know when it was removed. I think they did sodas and malts as well?
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Demolition has begun on the remaining buildings in Wilmot Plaza. The southeast corner that was once Wilmot Plaza Drug is coming down today.? El Mercado, across Broadway from Wilmot Plaza, was replaced by a CVS Pharmacy last year. Sad to see my old neighborhood go.
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Re: U of A continues to demolish its history
Hello again, ? I was thinking of Pizza Pub, but I confused it with my neighbor Tom's place which was called Pizza City.? Thanks to those who contacted me with guesses offline. ? I found a shot of Pizza Pub at night in 1977... ? ? Cheers, ? Carlos
---In vanishingtucson@..., <mistercopacetic@...> wrote : Hello All, I'd like to make a point about an argument to demolish a building because it's "run down". Don't fall into this trap.? In many cases, that argument may be a part of an unethical tactic called "demolition by neglect". It works like this. If a property owner wants to tear down a historic building, but they know it would be controversial to do so, they first let it fall into disrepair.? They leave it unprotected so that vandals and homeless will break in.? They hope that it might even burn down. Eventually, neighbors who would have been upset by the demolition of a historic building, are begging the owners to tear it down.? UA is famous for this tactic, in fact, historic neighborhoods surrounding UA have compelled UA to sign a Memorandum of Understanding that this behavior is unacceptable. As I mentioned before, when you travel, look and see how other Universities that value historic preservation keep their aging buildings well maintained, and acquire historic residences on campus for faculty, staff, etc.? It's a question of values, like stewardship and community. With the exception of the incredibly expensive Old Main restoration, UA clearly does not value it's historic heritage.? They are especially bad at preserving the recent past. The 1950's Student Union was fantastic!? And look how they wiped out dozens of thriving, diverse businesses on 6th Street.? I used to love that pizza place, and for years I didn't know I lived a couple blocks from the owner.? Someone please remind me of the name? Other favorites were Greasy Tony's original location on 6th, and the original Loft Theater. Tons of memories there.? We have a photo of Greasy Tony with the Loft in the background.... ? Cheers, Carlos
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Re: U of A continues to demolish its history
Hello All, I'd like to make a point about an argument to demolish a building because it's "run down". Don't fall into this trap.? In many cases, that argument may be a part of an unethical tactic called "demolition by neglect". It works like this. If a property owner wants to tear down a historic building, but they know it would be controversial to do so, they first let it fall into disrepair.? They leave it unprotected so that vandals and homeless will break in.? They hope that it might even burn down. Eventually, neighbors who would have been upset by the demolition of a historic building, are begging the owners to tear it down.? UA is famous for this tactic, in fact, historic neighborhoods surrounding UA have compelled UA to sign a Memorandum of Understanding that this behavior is unacceptable. As I mentioned before, when you travel, look and see how other Universities that value historic preservation keep their aging buildings well maintained, and acquire historic residences on campus for faculty, staff, etc.? It's a question of values, like stewardship and community. With the exception of the incredibly expensive Old Main restoration, UA clearly does not value it's historic heritage.? They are especially bad at preserving the recent past. The 1950's Student Union was fantastic!? And look how they wiped out dozens of thriving, diverse businesses on 6th Street.? I used to love that pizza place, and for years I didn't know I lived a couple blocks from the owner.? Someone please remind me of the name? Other favorites were Greasy Tony's original location on 6th, and the original Loft Theater. Tons of memories there.? We have a photo of Greasy Tony with the Loft in the background.... ? Cheers, Carlos
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