It is the San Augustin Mission AKA "Convento". This is supposed to
be rebuilt as a reproduciton. Nothing remains today. This site is
just below A Mountain on the east side.
Gretchen


--- In vanishingtucson@..., "mistercopacetic"
<mistercopacetic@y...> wrote:

Hi All,

I've temporarily posted another pic at the Group homepage which

has me

totally baffled. Looks like an important archeological site, which
would/should have been preserved like the Casa Grande ruins.

Anybody know anything about this?

Thanks for your help.

Carlos

P.S. Still looking for more details on Rancho Diablo. We're still
not even certain of the name. Visit the "Mystery Pics" folder in

the

"Photos" section to see our only pictures: unconfirmed satellite
photos from 2002.

The person who originally told me about Rancho Diablo said that an
entire book could be written on the topic. He thought that maybe
someone had already done so.

P.P.S. Sometimes I can't see the images that I post at the Group
homepage. Might be my browser. Does anyone else have this

problem?

Hi All,

I've temporarily posted another pic at the Group homepage which has me
totally baffled. Looks like an important archeological site, which
would/should have been preserved like the Casa Grande ruins.

Anybody know anything about this?

Thanks for your help.

Carlos

P.S. Still looking for more details on Rancho Diablo. We're still
not even certain of the name. Visit the "Mystery Pics" folder in the
"Photos" section to see our only pictures: unconfirmed satellite
photos from 2002.

The person who originally told me about Rancho Diablo said that an
entire book could be written on the topic. He thought that maybe
someone had already done so.

P.P.S. Sometimes I can't see the images that I post at the Group
homepage. Might be my browser. Does anyone else have this problem?

The KOA Campground was actually on the west side I 10 between Cortaro
and Avra Valley Road. Pioneer Landscaping is using it now.

We use to stop everyone weekend and grab sodas before heading into
town. It was always a friendly place to stop.
Colleen

Great aerial photo of Rancho Diablo.
This photo shows a place that is twice the size of the area I recall
visiting in 1959 for a class picnic.
The Ranch then was a beautiful, small, manicured typical guest ranch
that was maybe the size of the U of A football field.

Also I thought the name was Rancho del Rio..........
Are we talking about two places ? The one I recall was in the same
area.
I cannot locate either place in the 1955 or 1959 City Directories
which
are different than phone books.
So...........a history mystery !

Hi All,

I heard that Rancho Diablo was a favorite gangster hideout back in the
thirties. It was supposedly near Ryan Field on Ajo so the mobsters
could fly in and out. I don't know much more than that.

All I have to post is a sattelite photo. In the bottom left hand
corner is Ryan Field; in the upper right corner is a large development
that looks pretty old. I'll post a more detailed pic in the Photos
section. Is this the correct location?

Thanks,

Carlos

Hi Cowboys and Girls,

The dude ranch list is getting pretty long, and we barely started it.

The ranches don't need to actually have horses to make the list.

Here's an alphabetical rough draft. Please post to fill in details
and/or add more names.

Tucson Area Guest Ranches


Bara Nada Ranch

Forty-Niners Guest Ranch Tanque Verde Road

Las Lomas Estates 4500 West Speedway (still operating as apartments)

Lazy Bar C 4832 E. Lee St.

Lazy K Bar Bob says: "Wild horse ranch at the end of
Ina rd.20 acres and main house and 25 Casitas and Huge bar and
Restaurant and pool. John Wayne hangout"

Rancho Del Rio Far west Ajo Way

Rancho Diablo West Ajo Near Ryan Field circa 1930's

Rancho Nezhone
Just across the road, Leonie Boutall, from Tennessee, decided to build
a guest ranch in the early 1930s. The dry climate, her doctor told
her, would relieve her bronchial troubles. Boutall bought 100 acres
of ranch land just west of Oracle Road and south of a narrow dirt
track now called Orange Grove Road, thanks to Reid. Here she built
rancho Nezhone, a luxury guest ranch that drew the rich and famous to
the sparsely settled area far north of Tucson. Kate Smith, Liberace,
Gen. John Pershing and William "Hopalong Cassidy" Boyd were guests of
this fabulous desert retreat. Boutall sold out in 1948.

Reid's Ranchos Palos Verdes
Chamber of Commerce quote, 2005:
One of the first to build a home in the area was Maurice L. Reid who
came to Tucson in 1923 seeking a "walking cure" for tuberculosis. In
the late 1920s Reid bought a 1,500-acrs former ranch, bounded by
Oracle, Orange Grove and Ina roads and La Cholla Boulevard. Reid
planted more than 200 acres of citrus trees and date palms that became
the heart of Tucson's citrus industry. Over the years, Reid sold
parcels of land for home sites and in 1950 sold the last of his land,
some of which is today Ranchos Los Amigos Mobile Home Park.

Shomen Ranch North 1st Av


Triangle JK Ranch E. Fort Lowell


Triple H Guest Ranch 1340 N. Wilmot


Vista Al Norte Ranch E. Fort Lowell

Here are some old guest ranches........

49er's Guest Ranch
located on Tanque Verde Road
*
Rancho Del Rio
located way west on Ajo Way
*
Barra Nada Ranch
*Triple H Guest Ranch
located at 1340 N Wilmot
*Lazy Bar C
located at 4832 E Lee St.
*
Shomen Ranch on N 1st AV
Triangle JK Ranch on E Fort Lowell
Vista Al Norte Ranch also on E Fort Lowell

Wild horse ranch at the end of Ina rd.20 acres and
main house and 25 Casitas and Huge bar and Restaurant
and pool.John Wayne hangout

--- mistercopacetic <mistercopacetic@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Has anyone ever stayed at the Lazy K Bar, or any
other Tucson dude ranch?

I'd like to start a list of guest ranches in and
around Tucson.
They don't necessarily need to have horses.
The more info posted, the better.

Thanks gang,

Carlos

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Hi All,

Has anyone ever stayed at the Lazy K Bar, or any other Tucson dude ranch?

I'd like to start a list of guest ranches in and around Tucson.
They don't necessarily need to have horses.
The more info posted, the better.

Thanks gang,

Carlos

Thanks for the link. My original Google search missed it completely.

From the description it seems like a good match. We may never know
the exact location, but it's great to narrow down the area.

I know of a fantastic original ranch house near Orange Grove and
Oracle that the developers haven't demolished (yet). I'll eventually
post pictures of it here.

Carlos


--- In vanishingtucson@..., cynder32az@a... wrote:

Could this be it? There are date palms in the pic. Casas Adobes.
One of the first to build a home in the area was Maurice L. Reid

who came to

Tucson in 1923 seeking a "walking cure" for tuberculosis. In the

late 1920s

Reid bought a 1,500-acrs former ranch, bounded by Oracle, Orange

Grove and

Ina roads and La Cholla Boulevard. Reid planted more than 200

acres of citrus

trees and date palms that became the heart of Tucson's citrus

industry.

Over the years, Reid sold parcels of land for home sites and in

1950 sold the

last of his land, some of which is today Ranchos Los Amigos Mobile

Home Park.

_Click here: Northern Pima County - Casas Adobes_
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Hi All,

I have no idea what this place was... Guest Ranch? Casita
apartments? Motel court?

Obviously, the location is also completely unknown to me.

Your help is always appreciated.

Carlos

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Could this be it? There are date palms in the pic. Casas Adobes.

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One of the first to build a home in the area was Maurice L. Reid who came to Tucson in 1923 seeking a "walking cure" for tuberculosis.? In the late 1920s Reid bought a 1,500-acrs former ranch, bounded by Oracle, Orange Grove and Ina roads and La Cholla Boulevard.? Reid planted more than 200 acres of citrus trees and date palms that became the heart of Tucson's citrus industry.? Over the years, Reid sold parcels of land for home sites and in 1950 sold the last of his land, some of which is today Ranchos Los Amigos Mobile Home Park.

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I really enjoyed the searching for the pics. I read and learned a lot about Tucson in the early 1900's. It was a great history lesson. ?I'll look at those houses?differently now when I drive through there. And I just may go on a walking tour and check them out in person.

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Any more mystery pics?

?

Sandra

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In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:50:20 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, mistercopacetic@... writes:

Hi All,

Just a quick note of thanks for all the response.? I had no idea that
the two Mystery Pictures were near downtown, and so close to each
other.? What a coincedence.?

The other mystery is why the home-page picture is not always coming up
(on my computer).?

Well, just remember that any photo that is referred to in messages can
be found somewhere in the Photos section.

If anyone tries to upload a photo and has a problem, please e-mail me
publicly or privately.

Gratefully,

Carlos

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Hi again,

A previous post contained a link to the following article. Sometimes
those links expire, or the newspaper decides to charge for a
subscription, so I'm posting the entire article below:


Early Mayor Levi Manning left lucrative legend:

PAUL ALLEN
Tucson Citizen

Levi H. Manning

It was a tossup:

Two story leads came to mind - "An early Tucson mayor was brought here
by an elephant" and "Frat boys haven't changed much in the past 125
years."

Wishy-washy won out, so you're getting both.

Levi H. Manning, Tucson's mayor from 1905 to 1907 and Territorial
surveyor general, was in fact brought here by an elephant. But he
didn't ride it Hannibal-style.

The year was 1883, and Manning and a fraternity brother from the
University of Mississippi were spending the summer at the plantation
home of Manning's father, Vannoy Hartrog Manning, a lawyer and
three-term congressman.

During their hiatus, the young men attended a circus, and during the
course of the visit managed to borrow, rent or in some fashion acquire
control of one of the circus elephants, according to recollections of
a Manning family member, a record of which is in the files at the
Arizona Historical Society.

The trunked titan and the young men apparently had a parting of the
ways, and the former managed to wreak substantial havoc around the
town before being brought back under control by its handlers.

When young Manning's mother heard about the incident, she advised him
to "leave town before your father finds out about this."

Knowing his father's temper and having matured enough to sense the
wisdom of his mother's counsel, Manning accepted her carriage horses
and what money she had on hand, did some negotiating that funded a
railway ticket, and headed for points west.

Tucson was the terminus of his trek, and a penniless-if-aristocratic
Manning, age 19, became part of Tucson's work force.

Among the more literate residents of the Old Pueblo in 1883, he found
work as a reporter, successively, for both the The Daily Arizona
Citizen and Arizona Daily Star.

He was fascinated with the newly evolving science of electricity - an
interest that prompted him to buy a controlling interest in, and serve
as general manager of Tucson Ice and Electric Co. (His ability to
become a financial player suggests he had managed to make peace with
his father, since reporters - then, as now - seldom get to be counted
among the wealthy.)

Manning was said to have made a "considerable fortune" when he sold
his interest in the enterprise.

He was made mineral clerk in the U.S. Geology Office here in December
1885. Another interest, land surveying, would prepare him for his job
as surveyor general of Arizona Territory, an appointment from
President Cleveland from 1892 to 1896 - both indications that he had
influential family backing.

When a California group faltered in constructing the Santa Rita Hotel
in 1904 after building only the ground floor, Manning and partner Epes
Randolph took over the project and completed it, ignoring advice
against doing so. Once again, Manning realized a handsome profit when
he sold his interest, reflecting a lifelong record of business aplomb.

The local electorate sensed his leadership qualities and selected him
to serve as Tucson's mayor from 1905 to 1907.

Before his marriage to Gussie Lovell in Tucson in 1897, he was an
early member of the Owls Club, a group of prosperous bachelors who
built and lived in an impressive house in Snob Hollow, immediately
north of downtown.

When the group dwindled to only three, Manning purchased the building
and his family lived in it until he had a 12,000-square-foot mansion,
Manning House, built on Paseo Redondo nearby. He sold the former Owls
Club to fellow merchant Albert Steinfeld.

In the late 1940s, the family sold Manning House to the Elks Lodge. It
was enlarged to 36,000 square feet by enclosure of the arched loggia
that extended from the core structure, and now is owned and operated
as a civic gathering spot by the Concannon family.

"General" Manning purchased a failed irrigated farming operation west
of the Santa Cruz River in 1902, drilling a series of shallow wells to
tap the subsurface river flow. He sold the operation a decade later to
Chicago and British investors.

He was a major influence in bringing an electric trolley system to the
Old Pueblo in 1906, replacing horse- and mule-drawn vehicles.

A shortage of natural rubber from Asia during World War I prompted an
effort to cultivate a Southwestern shrub, guayule, that produces
latex, the major ingredient of rubber. For that, in 1916, Manning sold
9,700 acres of the 20,000-acre Canoa Ranch to the newly formed
Intercontinental Rubber Co. That operation ceased at war's end.

He was one of a partnership, including Cananea "copper king" William
C. Greene, that bought the Tucson Citizen in 1901, after which John H.
Behan, former Cochise County sheriff during the OK Corral shootout
affray in 1881 in Tombstone, was made business manager.

Over the years, Manning gained control of an estimated half-million
acres of ranching property and a chain of general merchandising stores
stretching from El Paso to Portland, Ore. He was one of a group of
investors who discovered oil at Signal Hill, Calif.

In 1926, he and son Howell Manning launched an ambitious horse
breeding program at Canoa Ranch, establishing a line of Clydesdale
draft horses and a line of Arabians as well, paying $3,000 for
Saraband, an Arabian stallion.

Manning died Aug. 6, 1935, at his summer home in Beverly Hills, Calif.
His body was returned to Tucson, where he was buried in the Masonic
section of Evergreen Cemetery.

Paul L. Allen can be reached at 573-4588 and pallen@....
For more history coverage, go to www.tucsoncitizen.com/history.

Hi All,

Just a quick note of thanks for all the response. I had no idea that
the two Mystery Pictures were near downtown, and so close to each
other. What a coincedence.

The other mystery is why the home-page picture is not always coming up
(on my computer).

Well, just remember that any photo that is referred to in messages can
be found somewhere in the Photos section.

If anyone tries to upload a photo and has a problem, please e-mail me
publicly or privately.

Gratefully,

Carlos

As a resident of Tucson since 1945, I can confirm that Snob Hollow
is west of Granada on a street called Paseo Redondo.........where the
Manning House is at the bottom of the circle......

The area west of El Con Mall is known as El Encanto...
These beautiful homes extend west to Country Club, then south across
Broadway and continue down to Reid Park.

Comparing photos shows a definete match.


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If I am correct in recalling, that looks like a picture of the
Manning House I saw when we were looking for a wedding site. Could
be wrong. But the Manning House @ Congress & I-10 is the spark in my
memory.
--- In vanishingtucson@..., "mistercopacetic"
<mistercopacetic@y...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'd be really surprised if this one is still standing. If it is,

I've

got to get a current picture to compare to the 1911 version.

If you are viewing this message as an e-mail and would like to see

the

picture, look for a clickable link at the bottom of the message

which

will lead back to the Group. I'll post the picture on the Group's
home page until the mystery is solved. After that, the picture

will

be filed under Mystery Pics in the Photos section.

Thanks for all your help,

Carlos

P.S. I think we've solved the mystery of "Snob Hollow", but I'm

not

certain we've actually identified the actual house in the

picture. I

know the picture is tiny, but Hughes House appears to have

different

architecture.

P.P.S. Thanks for the correction on the Grotto (see previous
message). The website is fascinating. Can't wait to visit San

Xavier

with a whole new perspective.

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You were right!....I've been looking for a visual similar to the Snob Hollow ad and overlooked those pics completely.

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In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:43:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cynder32az@... writes:

If I am correct in recalling, that looks like a picture of the
Manning House I saw when we were looking for a wedding site. Could
be wrong. But the Manning House @ Congress & I-10 is the spark in my
memory.

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I found this pic on this site, which is similar. I think it is the Manning House

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Could the Manning House also be the one in the Snob Hollow ad? There are pics on this site.

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In a message dated 8/17/2005 11:39:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, CHISLER717@... writes:

If I am correct in recalling, that looks like a picture of the
Manning House I saw when we were looking for a wedding site. Could
be wrong. But the Manning House @ Congress & I-10 is the spark in my
memory.
--- In vanishingtucson@..., "mistercopacetic"
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'd be really surprised if this one is still standing.? If it is,
I've
> got to get a current picture to compare to the 1911 version.
>
> If you are viewing this message as an e-mail and would like to see
the
> picture, look for a clickable link at the bottom of the message
which
> will lead back to the Group.? I'll post the picture on the Group's
> home page until the mystery is solved.? After that, the picture
will
> be filed under Mystery Pics in the Photos section.
>
> Thanks for all your help,
>
> Carlos
>
> P.S.? I think we've solved the mystery of "Snob Hollow", but I'm
not
> certain we've actually identified the actual house in the
picture.? I
> know the picture is tiny, but Hughes House appears to have
different
> architecture.
>
> P.P.S.? Thanks for the correction on the Grotto (see previous
> message).? The website is fascinating.? Can't wait to visit San
Xavier
> with a whole new perspective.

?

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