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While the rich get richer.....the poor keep working

 

Many people don't seem to know how inflation is actually a "hidden tax."? The simplest explanation is that if you create inflation, prices rise.? When those prices rise, the taxes you pay on those prices?doesn't have to rise.? It just produces more revenue for the government.? Ten percent of $2.00 is more than ten percent of $1.50.? This is the way government can raise revenue and claim it hasn't raised taxes.

When inflation doesn't occur through natural market dynamics, politicians create it.? This is what we're living through now.? Rich people aren't affected by inflation, because they have assets that appreciate.? And let's face it, if you have six figure disposable income, an extra $25 to fill up is no big deal.? The guy who is?really feeling it is the guy with no assets who barely squeaked into a house out in San Bernardino and commutes 50 miles each way to work, five days a week.??

Enjoy your trip to the grocery store.?

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Rob Frankel
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

Rob, I told you yesterday I do not have access to streaming anything irrespective of the time to watch or the fact that watching anything puts me to sleep in about 5 minutes.? I went back to the video last night to double check that is the only option. It is as far as I can tell.

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It is available on DVD if you are so inclined.? Again, a tiny bit of research on your part would have discovered this.

While there, I came across the True the Vote people and their connection with that video.? Hence I Googled them and sent you the link about their law-breaking, corrupt ways and their proliferation of the big lie and?capitalizing off of same.? So one thing led to another and frankly, if what was stated is true about their business operation, they need to be put out of business and I may have mentioned, I have no problem with filing complaints against them with the AG.? ?That’s called action.? I posted the link not as any kind of response but as an FYI ?for your consideration as I assumed you were unaware of this. ?It’s either that or you and all of your friends here already know but do not care about the truth.? That’s a different matter altogether.

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For someone involved in the law field as you are, I'm taken aback at how easily you can be misled by biased research.? In the first place, you haven't vetted your sources.? In the second, you've relied on Google, which anyone who hasn't lived under a rock for the past ten years knows is engaged in deliberate manipulation of its rankings.? Google is infamous for its political influence, which is why its search engines have been losing market share to upstarts whose results are more legitimate.? Third, and perhaps most importantly, I find it revealing that you'll take some random, biased, unvetted resource as gospel over the due diligence done by people here.? Even in court, hearsay is largely inadmissible, yet you seem to rely on it.??

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I asked you for the facts you stated are in that video because I cannot see the video.? So, are you going to share? You saw the video; I presume you can tell me what you saw.


Sure: As I and others have pointed out previously, what?2000 Mules points out (in no uncertain terms) is Democrat stuffing of ballot drop boxes in numerous counties across the country.? There is video surveillance as well as every technology that FBI and CIA use to track everything from minor criminals to terrorists.? Using those same technologies, along with identical analytics, they present the raw footage along with sheer numbers that prove the criminal election activities Democrats used in the election of 2020. It's as solid as evidence gets.?

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The only?actionable?data presented to me so far is the link you sent re PA corruption. I acknowledged that and you notice?action?is being taken by the proper authorities.? That is exactly what I am looking for.? Got any more? ??I’m looking for legitimate causes for action. ??Think I‘ve said that before.

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You asked and received one good example.? But you didn't accept my?answer:? The PA incident is?just one example.? As an informed American, you should care enough to satisfy your own curiosities and appropriate outrage, instead of leaning back in an armchair and dismissing legitimate data because you choose not to believe or care.

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I imagine you would like to be heard by people outside of the Republican Party and little clandestine groups like this one.? Then this is the kind of information you will have to provide to gain credibility outside of any group that parrots the same old crap ad nauseam and no, you are not getting special treatment; I have to do the same thing.

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No, you'll find that as a rule, liberals complain and conservatives mobilize.? If you don't have access to any streaming, I suggest you view Steve Bannon's program on America's Voice channel (via the free Pluto app you can download) or listen to his podcast (also free).? There you go:? Two FREE channels to get some of the best data-driven arguments from people who are actually more populist than anything.? Let's see if you're too lazy to do that, or if you're really motivated to get a hold of real information from legitimate sources.

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My work with homeless people should not be construed as virtue signaling.? The point in that example is the breadth of the human spectrum I engage with: All levels of society, All races, All religions and the list goes on. I have a long list of gay men friends. Let’s hope that is not a faux pas in any circles in present day Los Angeles, CA.


Sorry, that's nothing but another head fake:? I can see from your discourse here that you are far from receptive to viewpoints from "the breadth of the human spectrum."? Unfortunately, this remark merely reinforces the virtue signaling:? If you were truly open to all viewpoints, you'd be open to the ones presented to you here.

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I have yet to see any facts that cannot be refuted by good authority or any reasoning other than glimmers of your own.? All I have seen are other peoples’ opinions and beliefs and people telling each other how to vote. I did encounter one fellow who was having a hysterical fit due to his interpretation of some proposed legislation. When I asked him where he saw that his response was, oh it’s in there.? Well it was not in there; what was in there was his own misinterpretation of what was stated and that is why he could not tell me where it was.? THIS is the typical response I get when I ask someone for factual data.

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Because you're not interested in what has been brought to you, and quite frankly, that's more telling of you than just about anything else.? Why should anyone bring you anything?? It's that kind of lethargy that's brought this country to its knees:? Waiting for others to do your work.? And it is your work to do.? Simply reclining in your armchair and waiting for others to bring you anything will bring you nothing but more discord.? Most of the people here are not of that ilk.? We research, we act, precisely because we see the harm that can be done by simply sitting back and doing nothing -- or in your case, accepting whatever is convenient to hear.

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Here is the tax return for True the Vote for 2019.? They have not filed the 2020 return which would have been due 10/15/21 if on extension so they are way past due.? This tax return is another example of the kind of factual data I rely on.

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A.? That's completely irrelevant to its mission.? B. I have filed extensions for taxes for years, so again, you're choosing to view biased information and placing it in a context that suits your erroneous purpose.? Nice try, but another fail.

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Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is?absolutely true?and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.? The return was filed 2/17/22? so you can say they are running behind, way behind.

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And since you only publish partial information, it would do you no good to publish the entire situation.? Your argument here is as specious as those who foolishly claim that "corporations pay no taxes," because they're too ignorant of how their own tax codes work.? This kind of argument is more leaning on biased information, which while is an old liberal tactic, doesn't make you look good.

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She also took more than 1/3 of the less that $450k in donations received in 2018.? (The tax return was filed late 1/11/21).? I want a job where I get 1/3 of the?gross?income!? Who is she anyway?? Just an enterprising woman with a pretty face who saw an opportunity to make money off of promoting a lie to others? It’s amazing how stupid the masses are and how sad that is, especially when folks who may be a tad smarter take advantage of the less sophisticated.? Present day morality in the US is another issue entirely.

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Your logic is completely flawed, which again, I find strange for someone in the legal field.? The fact is that this is another (fictitious) red herring, designed to do what liberals always do when they're wrong:? Distract from the issue.? You now have gone from "I don't believe you" to "Prove it to me" to "Prove it to me some more" to "I don't like the people who produced the true data you presented."? That's really lame.? Even a first year law student wouldn't bring that in front of a judge.? You should know better.

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So there you have it; I posted a link as an FYI then I pulled and read the tax return to check the statements made in the link and?imagine that, the news article (regardless of who wrote it) and the tax return match. ?I call that verification of data?not open to anyone’s interpretation.? See how simple that is?

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What's simple to see -- and I'm glad you're participating here to illustrate it -- is the kind of circular logic and erroneous reasoning a liberal will deploy because he/she is basically to fearful or lazy to genuinely explore true data and facts.? Denial, distraction, obfuscation and fantasy may (and does) work in the liberal world.? In the conservative world, reality reigns.? ?
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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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Rob, I told you yesterday I do not have access to streaming anything irrespective of the time to watch or the fact that watching anything puts me to sleep in about 5 minutes.? I went back to the video last night to double check that is the only option. It is as far as I can tell.

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While there, I came across the True the Vote people and their connection with that video.? Hence I Googled them and sent you the link about their law-breaking, corrupt ways and their proliferation of the big lie and capitalizing off of same.? So one thing led to another and frankly, if what was stated is true about their business operation, they need to be put out of business and I may have mentioned, I have no problem with filing complaints against them with the AG.? ?That’s called action.? I posted the link not as any kind of response but as an FYI ?for your consideration as I assumed you were unaware of this. ?It’s either that or you and all of your friends here already know but do not care about the truth.? That’s a different matter altogether.

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I asked you for the facts you stated are in that video because I cannot see the video.? So, are you going to share? You saw the video; I presume you can tell me what you saw.

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The only actionable data presented to me so far is the link you sent re PA corruption. I acknowledged that and you notice action is being taken by the proper authorities.? That is exactly what I am looking for.? Got any more? ??I’m looking for legitimate causes for action. ??Think I‘ve said that before.

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I imagine you would like to be heard by people outside of the Republican Party and little clandestine groups like this one.? Then this is the kind of information you will have to provide to gain credibility outside of any group that parrots the same old crap ad nauseam and no, you are not getting special treatment; I have to do the same thing.

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My work with homeless people should not be construed as virtue signaling.? The point in that example is the breadth of the human spectrum I engage with: All levels of society, All races, All religions and the list goes on. I have a long list of gay men friends. Let’s hope that is not a faux pas in any circles in present day Los Angeles, CA.

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I have yet to see any facts that cannot be refuted by good authority or any reasoning other than glimmers of your own.? All I have seen are other peoples’ opinions and beliefs and people telling each other how to vote. I did encounter one fellow who was having a hysterical fit due to his interpretation of some proposed legislation. When I asked him where he saw that his response was, oh it’s in there.? Well it was not in there; what was in there was his own misinterpretation of what was stated and that is why he could not tell me where it was.? THIS is the typical response I get when I ask someone for factual data.

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Here is the tax return for True the Vote for 2019.? They have not filed the 2020 return which would have been due 10/15/21 if on extension so they are way past due.? This tax return is another example of the kind of factual data I rely on.

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Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is absolutely true and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.? The return was filed 2/17/22? so you can say they are running behind, way behind.

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She also took more than 1/3 of the less that $450k in donations received in 2018.? (The tax return was filed late 1/11/21).? I want a job where I get 1/3 of the gross income!? Who is she anyway?? Just an enterprising woman with a pretty face who saw an opportunity to make money off of promoting a lie to others? It’s amazing how stupid the masses are and how sad that is, especially when folks who may be a tad smarter take advantage of the less sophisticated.? Present day morality in the US is another issue entirely.

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So there you have it; I posted a link as an FYI then I pulled and read the tax return to check the statements made in the link and imagine that, the news article (regardless of who wrote it) and the tax return match. ?I call that verification of data not open to anyone’s interpretation.? See how simple that is?

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Enjoy your weekend.

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~CL

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of sonja nyman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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Rob,?

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PERFECTLY said.?

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On Friday, June 10, 2022, 03:01:37 PM PDT, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:

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You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded.

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?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness.

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On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn’t know the person and don’t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency.

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Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that.

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I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I’m genuinely interested in other peoples’ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes.

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No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously.

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All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the “facts” or you do not just don’t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That’s how it works.

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Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.?

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Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it’s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to.

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Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means.

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My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can’t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.

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Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?


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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Pacific Beach indictments

 

As you may or may not know, BLM and Antifa have long used social media to gather and attack various conservatives -- or so the story goes.? Well, for those of you who insist on?factual submissions, rest assured that those "stories" aren't fictional at all.? At least according to a grand jury in San Diego, California.

Now all that's left to see is if the prosecutors and judges will do their jobs:

https://www.kusi.com/grand-jury-indicts-11-antifa-blm-members-for-attacking-trump-supporters-in-pacific-beach/
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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

Rob,?

PERFECTLY said.?

On Friday, June 10, 2022, 03:01:37 PM PDT, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:


You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded.

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?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness.

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On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn’t know the person and don’t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency.

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Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that.

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I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I’m genuinely interested in other peoples’ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes.

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No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously.

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All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the “facts” or you do not just don’t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That’s how it works.

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Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.?

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Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it’s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to.

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Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means.

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My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can’t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.

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Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?


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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded.

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?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness.

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On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn’t know the person and don’t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency.

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Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that.

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I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I’m genuinely interested in other peoples’ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes.

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No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously.

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All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the “facts” or you do not just don’t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That’s how it works.

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Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.?

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Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it’s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to.

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Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means.

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My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can’t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.

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Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?


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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded.

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On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn’t know the person and don’t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency.

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I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I’m genuinely interested in other peoples’ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes.

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All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the “facts” or you do not just don’t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That’s how it works.

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Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it’s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to.

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My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can’t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.

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~Cathy

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P.S.? popcorn is gross!?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of sonja nyman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 10:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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Ok Cathy.? We will obviously never see eye to eye.? I'm not angry, I'm tired.? Tired of the same back and forth that has been going on for years.? I joined this group to talk with like minded people.? I don't have a closed mind at all.? I'm forced to hear sides I don't generally agree with everyday.? It's literally shoved down my throat.? I listen.? I research.? I form my own opinion.? I come here to discuss things that I am otherwise censored for on other platforms.??

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With that, I'm not on here to have a catty back and forth so someone can sit with their popcorn and read.? Have a good one.? Now get back to work!

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On Friday, June 10, 2022, 10:11:13 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:

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The one thing I am is open minded otherwise, you and I would not be having this dialog.

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I deliberately use big font to post quotes from other sources.? I am not merely regurgitating “stuff” from the internet but researching and posting facts, such as tax returns that you will not want to see.?

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All of that being said, who is the one who is NOT open-minded here?? Who is the one who gets angry when someone posts something that is not in line with their opinions and beliefs?? It’s because of closed minds, like yours, the people in this country are so polarized today.

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~CL

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of sonja nyman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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THIS is why Cathy should stick to Next Door.? She doesn't have the time to to watch something but has to time to clearly copy and paste stuff she regurgitates from the internet (the different fonts is a total give away).? She doesn't want to be open minded.? SHE is right and will always be right.? Thanks Cathy, for ruining another good outlet for us likeminded people on the internet.? I will learn nothing from you.

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Ya'll have a happy Friday.?

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On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:

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Now what makes you say that, Rob?? Turns out the basis of that film is put out by a company with very dubious motives, mainly to line their own pockets by way of supporting the “big
lie”.? Anything to make a buck… right? ??This is repulsive and should be criminal.

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And while the claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election have been dismissed out of hand by courts and?, even those led by Republicans, the story of True the Vote highlights how exploiting the Big Lie has become a lucrative enterprise, growing from a cottage industry to a thriving economy.?

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I will take the time soon to get the tax return(s) for True the Vote and you can form you own opinions about their motivations.

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As you have already watched that video, please give me specifics I can research (I’ve very good at research) to substantiate your claim(s).? Facts please - not supposition.

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And once again, if there is a cause for action (factual information that can substantiated), why hasn’t someone presented it in a court of law?? They have certainly wasted a ton of money presenting supposition that was thrown out by the courts, yet no one is stepping up to file any lawsuits over the “facts” you claim are in this film?? How can that be?

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Show me the facts.

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~CL

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:15 PM
To: valleyredspace@... up to file l
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.?

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

As an outsider, I have a few points to make regarding Cathy's last post. I am not delving into voter fraud. The statement insuating that the opposition is part of the silencing and discourse in the US today is a matter of opinion and not facts.?
I know from my personal experience when I have been in the position to present scientific data based by non partisan research to my political opponents it has been rebuked. I cannot get one of them to read the DeSantis bill of 98 pages regarding the teaching of CRT and general identity in preschool and kindergarten.
The " don't say Gay" bill never makes this statement. The response has been refusal to do due diligence and work on this from a hysterical overreaction.??
Secondly, if you do review the data there is no shame in admitting that your assumptions were wrong. This is how we get discourse based on facts and not theory.
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 2:20 PM robfrankel <rob@...> wrote:
You are absolutely correct . I know that the older a Democrat is the more he tends to believe that the Democrat party is the same one as John F. Kennedy or Franklin Roosevelt. Unfortunately, they not only don't see how their legacies have been corrupted, most don't even understand history and how so many of our problems today are rooted in the very programs established by John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt. Most people have no concept of American history. All they know is the propaganda that they and their friends have been fed.?
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Rob Frankel
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

You are absolutely correct . I know that the older a Democrat is the more he tends to believe that the Democrat party is the same one as John F. Kennedy or Franklin Roosevelt. Unfortunately, they not only don't see how their legacies have been corrupted, most don't even understand history and how so many of our problems today are rooted in the very programs established by John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt. Most people have no concept of American history. All they know is the propaganda that they and their friends have been fed.?
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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Funny to question the motives of True the Vote, but not the motives of the Washington Post, despite of years of it pushing proven lies.?

Normies are normies because they trust normie corporate news. How often have we all heard this?: ?“If what you are saying is true, it would be on the news!”?



On Jun 10, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:

The one thing I am is open minded otherwise, you and I would not be having this dialog.
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I deliberately use big font to post quotes from other sources.? I am not merely regurgitating “stuff” from the internet but researching and posting facts, such as tax returns that you will not want to see.??
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All of that being said, who is the one who is NOT open-minded here?? Who is the one who gets angry when someone posts something that is not in line with their opinions and beliefs?? It’s because of closed minds, like yours, the people in this country are so polarized today.
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~CL
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?sonja nyman via?
Sent:?Friday, June 10, 2022 9:37 AM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some
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THIS is why Cathy should stick to Next Door.? She doesn't have the time to to watch something but has to time to clearly copy and paste stuff she regurgitates from the internet (the different fonts is a total give away).? She doesn't want to be open minded.? SHE is right and will always be right.? Thanks Cathy, for ruining another good outlet for us likeminded people on the internet.? I will learn nothing from you.
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Ya'll have a happy Friday.?
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On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:?
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Now what makes you say that, Rob?? Turns out the basis of that film is put out by a company with very dubious motives, mainly to line their own pockets by way of supporting the “big
lie”.? Anything to make a buck… right? ??This is repulsive and should be criminal.

?

And while the claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election have been dismissed out of hand by courts and?, even those led by Republicans, the story of True the Vote highlights how exploiting the Big Lie has become a lucrative enterprise, growing from a cottage industry to a thriving economy.?

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I will take the time soon to get the tax return(s) for True the Vote and you can form you own opinions about their motivations.

?

As you have already watched that video, please give me specifics I can research (I’ve very good at research) to substantiate your claim(s).? Facts please - not supposition.

?

And once again, if there is a cause for action (factual information that can substantiated), why hasn’t someone presented it in a court of law???They have certainly wasted a ton of money presenting supposition that was thrown out by the courts, yet no one is stepping up to file any lawsuits over the “facts” you claim are in this film?? How can that be?

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Show me the facts.

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~CL?

From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?robfrankel
Sent:?Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:15 PM
To:?valleyredspace@...?up to file l
Subject:?Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some?

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Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.??

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

Ok Cathy.? We will obviously never see eye to eye.? I'm not angry, I'm tired.? Tired of the same back and forth that has been going on for years.? I joined this group to talk with like minded people.? I don't have a closed mind at all.? I'm forced to hear sides I don't generally agree with everyday.? It's literally shoved down my throat.? I listen.? I research.? I form my own opinion.? I come here to discuss things that I am otherwise censored for on other platforms.??

With that, I'm not on here to have a catty back and forth so someone can sit with their popcorn and read.? Have a good one.? Now get back to work!

On Friday, June 10, 2022, 10:11:13 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:


The one thing I am is open minded otherwise, you and I would not be having this dialog.

?

I deliberately use big font to post quotes from other sources.? I am not merely regurgitating “stuff” from the internet but researching and posting facts, such as tax returns that you will not want to see.?

?

All of that being said, who is the one who is NOT open-minded here?? Who is the one who gets angry when someone posts something that is not in line with their opinions and beliefs?? It’s because of closed minds, like yours, the people in this country are so polarized today.

?

~CL

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of sonja nyman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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THIS is why Cathy should stick to Next Door.? She doesn't have the time to to watch something but has to time to clearly copy and paste stuff she regurgitates from the internet (the different fonts is a total give away).? She doesn't want to be open minded.? SHE is right and will always be right.? Thanks Cathy, for ruining another good outlet for us likeminded people on the internet.? I will learn nothing from you.

?

Ya'll have a happy Friday.?

?

On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:

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Now what makes you say that, Rob?? Turns out the basis of that film is put out by a company with very dubious motives, mainly to line their own pockets by way of supporting the “big
lie”.? Anything to make a buck… right? ??This is repulsive and should be criminal.

?

And while the claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election have been dismissed out of hand by courts and?, even those led by Republicans, the story of True the Vote highlights how exploiting the Big Lie has become a lucrative enterprise, growing from a cottage industry to a thriving economy.?

?

I will take the time soon to get the tax return(s) for True the Vote and you can form you own opinions about their motivations.

?

As you have already watched that video, please give me specifics I can research (I’ve very good at research) to substantiate your claim(s).? Facts please - not supposition.

?

And once again, if there is a cause for action (factual information that can substantiated), why hasn’t someone presented it in a court of law?? They have certainly wasted a ton of money presenting supposition that was thrown out by the courts, yet no one is stepping up to file any lawsuits over the “facts” you claim are in this film?? How can that be?

?

Show me the facts.

?

~CL

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:15 PM
To: valleyredspace@... up to file l
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

?

Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.?

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

Cathy, refusing to investigate factual data offered up to you is hardly indicative of your open mind. ?Further, merely copying and pasting others' biased opinions doesn't do much for your credibility.?


Open dialogue is what we have here. But it's not good faith dialogue when one refuses to genuinely examine facts in evidence, which is what you've now done repeatedly.?


As I said earlier, I don't have any skin in this game, but your thoughts and actions do give you away.?
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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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The one thing I am is open minded otherwise, you and I would not be having this dialog.

?

I deliberately use big font to post quotes from other sources.? I am not merely regurgitating “stuff” from the internet but researching and posting facts, such as tax returns that you will not want to see.?

?

All of that being said, who is the one who is NOT open-minded here?? Who is the one who gets angry when someone posts something that is not in line with their opinions and beliefs?? It’s because of closed minds, like yours, the people in this country are so polarized today.

?

~CL

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of sonja nyman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

?

THIS is why Cathy should stick to Next Door.? She doesn't have the time to to watch something but has to time to clearly copy and paste stuff she regurgitates from the internet (the different fonts is a total give away).? She doesn't want to be open minded.? SHE is right and will always be right.? Thanks Cathy, for ruining another good outlet for us likeminded people on the internet.? I will learn nothing from you.

?

Ya'll have a happy Friday.?

?

On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:

?

?

Now what makes you say that, Rob?? Turns out the basis of that film is put out by a company with very dubious motives, mainly to line their own pockets by way of supporting the “big
lie”.? Anything to make a buck… right? ??This is repulsive and should be criminal.

?

And while the claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election have been dismissed out of hand by courts and?, even those led by Republicans, the story of True the Vote highlights how exploiting the Big Lie has become a lucrative enterprise, growing from a cottage industry to a thriving economy.?

?

I will take the time soon to get the tax return(s) for True the Vote and you can form you own opinions about their motivations.

?

As you have already watched that video, please give me specifics I can research (I’ve very good at research) to substantiate your claim(s).? Facts please - not supposition.

?

And once again, if there is a cause for action (factual information that can substantiated), why hasn’t someone presented it in a court of law?? They have certainly wasted a ton of money presenting supposition that was thrown out by the courts, yet no one is stepping up to file any lawsuits over the “facts” you claim are in this film?? How can that be?

?

Show me the facts.

?

~CL

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:15 PM
To: valleyredspace@... up to file l
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

?

Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.?

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

--

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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

Oh, I don't think Cathy's ruined anything at all.? She's entitled to her opinions, however much we may disagree with them.

More to the point, she's doing us a favor by proving everything about liberals we all pretty much believe.
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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

THIS is why Cathy should stick to Next Door.? She doesn't have the time to to watch something but has to time to clearly copy and paste stuff she regurgitates from the internet (the different fonts is a total give away).? She doesn't want to be open minded.? SHE is right and will always be right.? Thanks Cathy, for ruining another good outlet for us likeminded people on the internet.? I will learn nothing from you.

Ya'll have a happy Friday.?

On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM PDT, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:


Now what makes you say that, Rob?? Turns out the basis of that film is put out by a company with very dubious motives, mainly to line their own pockets by way of supporting the “big
lie”.? Anything to make a buck… right? ??This is repulsive and should be criminal.

?

And while the claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election have been dismissed out of hand by courts and?, even those led by Republicans, the story of True the Vote highlights how exploiting the Big Lie has become a lucrative enterprise, growing from a cottage industry to a thriving economy.?

?

I will take the time soon to get the tax return(s) for True the Vote and you can form you own opinions about their motivations.

?

As you have already watched that video, please give me specifics I can research (I’ve very good at research) to substantiate your claim(s).? Facts please - not supposition.

?

And once again, if there is a cause for action (factual information that can substantiated), why hasn’t someone presented it in a court of law?? They have certainly wasted a ton of money presenting supposition that was thrown out by the courts, yet no one is stepping up to file any lawsuits over the “facts” you claim are in this film?? How can that be?

?

Show me the facts.

?

~CL

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:15 PM
To: valleyredspace@... up to file l
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some https://revealnews.org/article/true-the-vote-big-lie-election-fraud/?gclid=CjwKCAjwtIaVBhBkEiwAsr7-cxb623P4ognOmngZ2w37mNfdYYHJnMTkJM9e_vCGI_I4o11YKuscKBoCS7wQAvD_BwEs

?

Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.?

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

--

?

Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

?


Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

What makes me say that is your very clear bias without even investigating any of the facts, while hiding behind a "busy schedule". If you really were interested in the facts, you would investigate them. But I suspect you are too loyal to your liberal ideals, which rely mainly on obfuscation and innuendo, and are completely devoid of facts. This is not surprising. Typical of liberals, but not surprising.?
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Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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Now what makes you say that, Rob?? Turns out the basis of that film is put out by a company with very dubious motives, mainly to line their own pockets by way of supporting the “big
lie”.? Anything to make a buck… right? ??This is repulsive and should be criminal.

?

And while the claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election have been dismissed out of hand by courts and?, even those led by Republicans, the story of True the Vote highlights how exploiting the Big Lie has become a lucrative enterprise, growing from a cottage industry to a thriving economy.?

?

I will take the time soon to get the tax return(s) for True the Vote and you can form you own opinions about their motivations.

?

As you have already watched that video, please give me specifics I can research (I’ve very good at research) to substantiate your claim(s).? Facts please - not supposition.

?

And once again, if there is a cause for action (factual information that can substantiated), why hasn’t someone presented it in a court of law?? They have certainly wasted a ton of money presenting supposition that was thrown out by the courts, yet no one is stepping up to file any lawsuits over the “facts” you claim are in this film?? How can that be?

?

Show me the facts.

?

~CL

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:15 PM
To: valleyredspace@... up to file l
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some https://revealnews.org/article/true-the-vote-big-lie-election-fraud/?gclid=CjwKCAjwtIaVBhBkEiwAsr7-cxb623P4ognOmngZ2w37mNfdYYHJnMTkJM9e_vCGI_I4o11YKuscKBoCS7wQAvD_BwEs

?

Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.?

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

--

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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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Cathy,

You really should make the time.

On Jun 9, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Cathy Larimer <cathylarimer@...> wrote:

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p.s.? My TV’s are still analog so I don’t have online streaming. Is it available elsewhere?

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Seems to me there are now 3 HD TV’s in my home but they have not been set up.? People keep giving them to me.??

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Also again, anyone who has verifiable, concrete proof that will hold up in a court of law has a cause for action.? So far, no one has presented anything viable.? Everything has been thrown out of court and remember, those courts were packed with Republican judges.? Several attorneys have been threatened with being disbarred for what they tried to sell to the courts.? Seems to me they may have disbarred Giuliani; he’s really a dolt anyway so no biggie.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 7:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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Maybe she'll surprise you.?
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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

Okay, so NOW we know that Cathy is just another diehard liberal, believing the lefty narratives no matter how baseless their arguments are, or devoid of any factual information, denying proven data simply because she chooses to.?

Okay, so that's good to know for any subsequent discussions.

--
?
Rob Frankel
Chief Curmudgeon
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some

 

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https://revealnews.org/article/true-the-vote-big-lie-election-fraud/?gclid=CjwKCAjwtIaVBhBkEiwAsr7-cxb623P4ognOmngZ2w37mNfdYYHJnMTkJM9e_vCGI_I4o11YKuscKBoCS7wQAvD_BwE

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Cathy Larimer
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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p.s.? My TV’s are still analog so I don’t have online streaming. Is it available elsewhere?

?

Seems to me there are now 3 HD TV’s in my home but they have not been set up.? People keep giving them to me.??

?

Also again, anyone who has verifiable, concrete proof that will hold up in a court of law has a cause for action.? So far, no one has presented anything viable.? Everything has been thrown out of court and remember, those courts were packed with Republican judges.? Several attorneys have been threatened with being disbarred for what they tried to sell to the courts.? Seems to me they may have disbarred Giuliani; he’s really a dolt anyway so no biggie.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 7:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some

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Maybe she'll surprise you.?
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Rob Frankel

Chief Curmudgeon

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