Replicatable arrowhead weirdness
Hi, Steve
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OK – I think I can walk you through the problem I’m having. It happens in the following sequence:
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- Import a dl file, open in Ucinet, and save the data ?No complaints from Ucinet—just a square matrix of 1s and 0s (it’s a co-author matrix)
- Open the Ucinet datafile in NetDraw—spread of networks open without arrowheads is displayed
- Save that configuration as a vna file
- Reopen the vna file—arrowheads are showing
- Can’t toggle all the arrowheads off
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A morning’s worth of experiments narrows the issue down to saving a new vna file, and then reopening that same vna file. It doesn’t matter what I’ve done to the NetDraw networks – pulling them about or just leaving them as the original
analysis presented them. It’s that second round of opening the vna file that seems to generate the problem.
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I’m attaching
- the raw data set,
- the Ucinet data files #d and #h files),
- 2 vna test files from the same data file (one where the networks were tweaked and one where they were left alone) and
- a series of screen shots in MS Word that illustrate what I’m getting with my computer and the Ucinet/NetDraw
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Insights welcome.
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Kate McCain
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Re: more arrowhead weirdness
Hi, Steve,
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I’m also having problems reproducing data – some old files behave nicely when opened (with arrows) and then arrows are toggled off, others do not. Rather than inundate you with many tests, I’m going to plow ahead with my current analyses
and keep track of any misbehavior—starting with all new importing of dl files and going from there.
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Just checking one thing, though – I’ve attached a screen shot of the current contents of the Analytic Technologies folder – following the instructions you posted, I persisted after getting the Microsoft Defender warning screen and did the
download—understanding that my old folder contents would be wiped out. The wiggly red arrow points to the version of UCINet that I’ve tried to be consistent in using post-download. If you seen anything odd in the display, I hope you’ll let me know.
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Thanks again,
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Kate McCain
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Hi Kate, I’m having trouble reproducing your problems. When I turn arrowheads off, they all go off. Can you send vna data? and/or a video. Send to
sborgatti@....
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Meanwhile, a few comments that might help tangentially:
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Older versions of netdraw always opened ucinet networks with arrowheads, even if the network was undirected. In recent versions, when you read the data, it turns the arrowheads off if it sees that every single tie is reciprocated (which usually means the graph
is intended to be undirected). This only applies to ucinet datasets, not to vna files.
-
Older versions of vna files contained no arrowhead information, so any version of netdraw (including the latest) should always show all arrowheads on reading the data. However, if the current netdraw is used to save a vna file, the file will contain arrowhead
information, and on reading the file netdraw should only display arrowheads for arcs that had them when the vna file was saved.
-
So you have both an old and a new version of netdraw? It sounds like you don’t have any trouble juggling the two, but it might be good to make sure that in Options|Helper Apps, Ucinet is pointing toward the current version of netdraw. Similarly, any shortcuts
for netdraw you might have created outside ucinet should probably be updated to point to the newest version.
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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Hi, Steve,
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Thanks for the quick response. I’m including a word doc with some screen grabs – using both the NetDraw option that comes with the 32 bit UCINet v 6.763 (my node count is rarely over 80, so I followed the
suggestion in the website and am using the 32 bit version (. That’s what I should have done before.
?
But even if there’s no arrowhead information in the vna file, ?my experience is that Netdraw will open with arrowheads as a matter of course (see first screen grab in the attached document) – and then one
turns them off if one doesn’t want them cluttering up the place. That’s how things have worked for me over the years – from my end of things, it looks like the Netdraw app (integrated or stand-alone) may have arrowheads “on” as an opening default (just a guess
– I’m the only user in my department or probably in my university AFAIK so there’s no one to ask).
?
But as the screen grabs show—I can’t turn ALL the arrowheads off. And I’d really like to do that.
?
Anyway – I look forward to any help you can provide. And pointers about what I may have done wrong when downloading/auto-installing the current version of the UCINet package.
?
Kate McCain
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Hmm. I’ll check it out. I didn’t quite understand point #3. What exactly is happening when you open an old vna file? (which contains no arrowhead information).
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
I downloaded the new UCINet version – and things are still weird. It seems to relate to saving the NetDraw network as a vna file and then trying to use the saved vna file.
?
- I can use Netdraw to open a UCINet data set and things seem to work OK. The set of networks opens with double arrowheads and I can turn them all off and on. When I have a configuration
I like, I want to save it for future manipulation. So I save it as a vna file and shut down NetDraw.
- It’s when I open the vna file with Netdraw (the built in link from the UCUNet top banner) that things get weird. The networks open, again, with double arrowheads. But when I try to
turn the arrowheads off, only a very few of the smaller networks lose their arrowheads. The others retain them.
- I try opening a different vna file, saved from the older version of UCINet. ?Same thing. Tried opening a vna file from about 5 years ago – same thing.
?
There must be something still wonky with respect to NetDraw and the arrowheads – I don’t think 15 years of UCINet vna files have just gone round the bend. Could you look into this?
?
Kate McCain
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Re: Foreign Alphabets
#help
Also, I discovered that, when I ran the exporter, the output text file it creates is fine. For example, in your case, the file
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“Company_2mode (People + Culture Keywords)rows.txt”
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on your hard disk should look fine. It is just the log file showing you what at it created that is wrong.
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of
starlingdavidhunter via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 07:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ucinet] Foreign Alphabets #help
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Steve, hello!? I didn't see your answer until now. Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's a specific routine where I encounter the problem,
It's the export|DL? (not legacy) that's the issue. As you can see in the attachment there are problems handling letters and characters
that I routinely come across in Norwegian and Swedish datasets.
I plan to upload that list into Excel for use in another program and see now way (at present) to avoid having to manually change the names containing these characters.
Any help you could provide would be much appreciated and, of course, a real time saver.
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 5:06 PM Steve Borgatti <sborgatti@...> wrote:
Is it a specific routine that is screwing up? If I enter data with these names into the dl editor using a recent version of UCINET, like this:
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It produces this output:
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IMPORT DATA VIA DL EDITOR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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??????????????? 1 2 3 4
????????????????B B S ?
????????????????? ? t d
????????????????r ? a e
????????????????d s r g
????????????????????l ?
????????????????????i r
????????????????????n d
????????????????????g??
????????????????- - - -
?????1???? B?rd 0 0 1 0
?????2???? B??s 1 0 0 0
?????3 Starling????????
?????4? ?deg?rd 1 1 0 0
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4 rows, 4 columns, 1 levels.
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Output UCINET file:????? ???????????????starling (C:\Users\Steve Borgatti\Dropbox\data\ucinet data\starling
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--------------------------------------
Running time: 00:00:11 seconds.
Output generated: 02 Feb 23 10:54:42
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And a further analysis looks like this:
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->dsp degree(starling)
Normalized = no
See also: indegree and outdegree functions
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???????????????
1 2 3
????????????????D O I
????????????????e u n
????????????????g t d
????????????????r d e
????????????????e e g
????????????????e g r
??????????????????r e
??????????????????e e
??????????????????e??
????????????????- - -
?????1???? B?rd 3 1 2
?????2???? B??s 2 1 1
?????3 Starling 1 0 1
?????4? ?deg?rd 2 2 0
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4 rows, 3 columns, 1 levels.
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So, if your version of ucinet is not from the last few years, then upgrade. If it is recent, tell me exactly what procedures you used to read in the
data and/or analyze it. Perhaps older routines don’t understand Unicode.
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
?
?
Hello everyone!
Working with network datasets in Scandinavia presents a few issues concerning names. In short, characters such as umlauts or "o with stroke" aren't recognized.
For example, names like?B??s or?B?rd or ?deg?rd get quite mangled in the output. I either have to Anglicize the names (not always appreciated), use digraphs, e.g. use "oe" for "o with stroke", or manually replace them in the output.
Are there any solutions for this, specifically a way? to get UCINET to recognize these characters?
thoughtfully
Starling
Also working with a few datasets in the Middle East but given the above, I'll assume for now that dealing Arabic script is a complete non-starter!
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Re: Foreign Alphabets
#help
I can fix the exporter, but meanwhile, there are much easier ways to get an edgelist to excel. Here is one method:
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Start by opening a ucinet network dataset in the dl editor. Use the openfolder button with U in it. In the example below, I’ve created a dataset called to test to use. Make sure to tell it you want to see the
data as an edgelist.
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Next press OK to get this:
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Now press Ctrl-A to highlight all, press Ctrl-C to copy to the clipboard, and then paste into Excel.
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of
starlingdavidhunter via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 07:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ucinet] Foreign Alphabets #help
?
?
Steve, hello!? I didn't see your answer until now. Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's a specific routine where I encounter the problem,
It's the export|DL? (not legacy) that's the issue. As you can see in the attachment there are problems handling letters and characters
that I routinely come across in Norwegian and Swedish datasets.
I plan to upload that list into Excel for use in another program and see now way (at present) to avoid having to manually change the names containing these characters.
Any help you could provide would be much appreciated and, of course, a real time saver.
?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 5:06 PM Steve Borgatti <sborgatti@...> wrote:
Is it a specific routine that is screwing up? If I enter data with these names into the dl editor using a recent version of UCINET, like this:
?
?
It produces this output:
?
IMPORT DATA VIA DL EDITOR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
?
?
?
??????????????? 1 2 3 4
????????????????B B S ?
????????????????? ? t d
????????????????r ? a e
????????????????d s r g
????????????????????l ?
????????????????????i r
????????????????????n d
????????????????????g??
????????????????- - - -
?????1???? B?rd 0 0 1 0
?????2???? B??s 1 0 0 0
?????3 Starling????????
?????4? ?deg?rd 1 1 0 0
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4 rows, 4 columns, 1 levels.
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Output UCINET file:????? ???????????????starling (C:\Users\Steve Borgatti\Dropbox\data\ucinet data\starling
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--------------------------------------
Running time: 00:00:11 seconds.
Output generated: 02 Feb 23 10:54:42
?
And a further analysis looks like this:
?
->dsp degree(starling)
Normalized = no
See also: indegree and outdegree functions
?
?
?
???????????????
1 2 3
????????????????D O I
????????????????e u n
????????????????g t d
????????????????r d e
????????????????e e g
????????????????e g r
??????????????????r e
??????????????????e e
??????????????????e??
????????????????- - -
?????1???? B?rd 3 1 2
?????2???? B??s 2 1 1
?????3 Starling 1 0 1
?????4? ?deg?rd 2 2 0
?
4 rows, 3 columns, 1 levels.
?
?
So, if your version of ucinet is not from the last few years, then upgrade. If it is recent, tell me exactly what procedures you used to read in the
data and/or analyze it. Perhaps older routines don’t understand Unicode.
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
?
?
Hello everyone!
Working with network datasets in Scandinavia presents a few issues concerning names. In short, characters such as umlauts or "o with stroke" aren't recognized.
For example, names like?B??s or?B?rd or ?deg?rd get quite mangled in the output. I either have to Anglicize the names (not always appreciated), use digraphs, e.g. use "oe" for "o with stroke", or manually replace them in the output.
Are there any solutions for this, specifically a way? to get UCINET to recognize these characters?
thoughtfully
Starling
Also working with a few datasets in the Middle East but given the above, I'll assume for now that dealing Arabic script is a complete non-starter!
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Re: more arrowhead weirdness
Thanks, Steve.
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I’ll think about which versions of things I’m using and try to document more clearly with explicit screen shots and send old, fairly new and hot off the press vna files. I’ll have to put off any future conversation
and sending some files on this until I’m back in my office rather than trying to use Remote Desktop and fishing around for things. I know I’ll have time on Friday when I’ll be in my office for the day, but most of the week is slammed with other kinds of appointments.
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Regards,
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Kate McCain
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Hi Kate, I’m having trouble reproducing your problems. When I turn arrowheads off, they all go off. Can you send vna data? and/or a video. Send to
sborgatti@....
?
Meanwhile, a few comments that might help tangentially:
?
-
Older versions of netdraw always opened ucinet networks with arrowheads, even if the network was undirected. In recent versions, when you read the data, it turns the arrowheads off if it sees that every single tie is reciprocated (which usually means the graph
is intended to be undirected). This only applies to ucinet datasets, not to vna files.
-
Older versions of vna files contained no arrowhead information, so any version of netdraw (including the latest) should always show all arrowheads on reading the data. However, if the current netdraw is used to save a vna file, the file will contain arrowhead
information, and on reading the file netdraw should only display arrowheads for arcs that had them when the vna file was saved.
-
So you have both an old and a new version of netdraw? It sounds like you don’t have any trouble juggling the two, but it might be good to make sure that in Options|Helper Apps, Ucinet is pointing toward the current version of netdraw. Similarly, any shortcuts
for netdraw you might have created outside ucinet should probably be updated to point to the newest version.
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of McCain,Katherine via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 18:08
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ucinet] more arrowhead weirdness
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
Thanks for the quick response. I’m including a word doc with some screen grabs – using both the NetDraw option that comes with the 32 bit UCINet v 6.763 (my node count is rarely over 80, so I followed the
suggestion in the website and am using the 32 bit version (. That’s what I should have done before.
?
But even if there’s no arrowhead information in the vna file, ?my experience is that Netdraw will open with arrowheads as a matter of course (see first screen grab in the attached document) – and then one
turns them off if one doesn’t want them cluttering up the place. That’s how things have worked for me over the years – from my end of things, it looks like the Netdraw app (integrated or stand-alone) may have arrowheads “on” as an opening default (just a guess
– I’m the only user in my department or probably in my university AFAIK so there’s no one to ask).
?
But as the screen grabs show—I can’t turn ALL the arrowheads off. And I’d really like to do that.
?
Anyway – I look forward to any help you can provide. And pointers about what I may have done wrong when downloading/auto-installing the current version of the UCINet package.
?
Kate McCain
?
Hmm. I’ll check it out. I didn’t quite understand point #3. What exactly is happening when you open an old vna file? (which contains no arrowhead information).
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
I downloaded the new UCINet version – and things are still weird. It seems to relate to saving the NetDraw network as a vna file and then trying to use the saved vna file.
?
- I can use Netdraw to open a UCINet data set and things seem to work OK. The set of networks opens with double arrowheads and I can turn them all off and on. When I have a configuration
I like, I want to save it for future manipulation. So I save it as a vna file and shut down NetDraw.
- It’s when I open the vna file with Netdraw (the built in link from the UCUNet top banner) that things get weird. The networks open, again, with double arrowheads. But when I try to
turn the arrowheads off, only a very few of the smaller networks lose their arrowheads. The others retain them.
- I try opening a different vna file, saved from the older version of UCINet. ?Same thing. Tried opening a vna file from about 5 years ago – same thing.
?
There must be something still wonky with respect to NetDraw and the arrowheads – I don’t think 15 years of UCINet vna files have just gone round the bend. Could you look into this?
?
Kate McCain
|
Re: more arrowhead weirdness
Hi Kate, I’m having trouble reproducing your problems. When I turn arrowheads off, they all go off. Can you send vna data? and/or a video. Send to
sborgatti@....
?
Meanwhile, a few comments that might help tangentially:
?
-
Older versions of netdraw always opened ucinet networks with arrowheads, even if the network was undirected. In recent versions, when you read the data, it turns the arrowheads off if it sees that every single tie is reciprocated (which usually means the graph
is intended to be undirected). This only applies to ucinet datasets, not to vna files.
-
Older versions of vna files contained no arrowhead information, so any version of netdraw (including the latest) should always show all arrowheads on reading the data. However, if the current netdraw is used to save a vna file, the file will contain arrowhead
information, and on reading the file netdraw should only display arrowheads for arcs that had them when the vna file was saved.
-
So you have both an old and a new version of netdraw? It sounds like you don’t have any trouble juggling the two, but it might be good to make sure that in Options|Helper Apps, Ucinet is pointing toward the current version of netdraw. Similarly, any shortcuts
for netdraw you might have created outside ucinet should probably be updated to point to the newest version.
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of McCain,Katherine via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 18:08
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ucinet] more arrowhead weirdness
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
Thanks for the quick response. I’m including a word doc with some screen grabs – using both the NetDraw option that comes with the 32 bit UCINet v 6.763 (my node count is rarely over 80, so I followed the
suggestion in the website and am using the 32 bit version (. That’s what I should have done before.
?
But even if there’s no arrowhead information in the vna file, ?my experience is that Netdraw will open with arrowheads as a matter of course (see first screen grab in the attached document) – and then one
turns them off if one doesn’t want them cluttering up the place. That’s how things have worked for me over the years – from my end of things, it looks like the Netdraw app (integrated or stand-alone) may have arrowheads “on” as an opening default (just a guess
– I’m the only user in my department or probably in my university AFAIK so there’s no one to ask).
?
But as the screen grabs show—I can’t turn ALL the arrowheads off. And I’d really like to do that.
?
Anyway – I look forward to any help you can provide. And pointers about what I may have done wrong when downloading/auto-installing the current version of the UCINet package.
?
Kate McCain
?
Hmm. I’ll check it out. I didn’t quite understand point #3. What exactly is happening when you open an old vna file? (which contains no arrowhead information).
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
I downloaded the new UCINet version – and things are still weird. It seems to relate to saving the NetDraw network as a vna file and then trying to use the saved vna file.
?
- I can use Netdraw to open a UCINet data set and things seem to work OK. The set of networks opens with double arrowheads and I can turn them all off and on. When I have a configuration
I like, I want to save it for future manipulation. So I save it as a vna file and shut down NetDraw.
- It’s when I open the vna file with Netdraw (the built in link from the UCUNet top banner) that things get weird. The networks open, again, with double arrowheads. But when I try to
turn the arrowheads off, only a very few of the smaller networks lose their arrowheads. The others retain them.
- I try opening a different vna file, saved from the older version of UCINet. ?Same thing. Tried opening a vna file from about 5 years ago – same thing.
?
There must be something still wonky with respect to NetDraw and the arrowheads – I don’t think 15 years of UCINet vna files have just gone round the bend. Could you look into this?
?
Kate McCain
|
Re: more arrowhead weirdness
Hi, Steve,
?
Thanks for the quick response. I’m including a word doc with some screen grabs – using both the NetDraw option that comes with the 32 bit UCINet v 6.763 (my node count is rarely over 80, so I followed the
suggestion in the website and am using the 32 bit version (. That’s what I should have done before.
?
But even if there’s no arrowhead information in the vna file, ?my experience is that Netdraw will open with arrowheads as a matter of course (see first screen grab in the attached document) – and then one
turns them off if one doesn’t want them cluttering up the place. That’s how things have worked for me over the years – from my end of things, it looks like the Netdraw app (integrated or stand-alone) may have arrowheads “on” as an opening default (just a guess
– I’m the only user in my department or probably in my university AFAIK so there’s no one to ask).
?
But as the screen grabs show—I can’t turn ALL the arrowheads off. And I’d really like to do that.
?
Anyway – I look forward to any help you can provide. And pointers about what I may have done wrong when downloading/auto-installing the current version of the UCINet package.
?
Kate McCain
?
Hmm. I’ll check it out. I didn’t quite understand point #3. What exactly is happening when you open an old vna file? (which contains no arrowhead information).
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of McCain,Katherine via groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 14:43
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ucinet] more arrowhead weirdness
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
I downloaded the new UCINet version – and things are still weird. It seems to relate to saving the NetDraw network as a vna file and then trying to use the saved vna file.
?
- I can use Netdraw to open a UCINet data set and things seem to work OK. The set of networks opens with double arrowheads and I can turn them all off and on. When I have a configuration
I like, I want to save it for future manipulation. So I save it as a vna file and shut down NetDraw.
- It’s when I open the vna file with Netdraw (the built in link from the UCUNet top banner) that things get weird. The networks open, again, with double arrowheads. But when I try to
turn the arrowheads off, only a very few of the smaller networks lose their arrowheads. The others retain them.
- I try opening a different vna file, saved from the older version of UCINet. ?Same thing. Tried opening a vna file from about 5 years ago – same thing.
?
There must be something still wonky with respect to NetDraw and the arrowheads – I don’t think 15 years of UCINet vna files have just gone round the bend. Could you look into this?
?
Kate McCain
|
Re: more arrowhead weirdness
Hmm. I’ll check it out. I didn’t quite understand point #3. What exactly is happening when you open an old vna file? (which contains no arrowhead information).
?
steve
?
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
?
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Show quoted text
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of McCain,Katherine via groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 14:43
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ucinet] more arrowhead weirdness
?
?
Hi, Steve,
?
I downloaded the new UCINet version – and things are still weird. It seems to relate to saving the NetDraw network as a vna file and then trying to use the saved vna file.
?
- I can use Netdraw to open a UCINet data set and things seem to work OK. The set of networks opens with double arrowheads and I can turn them all off and on. When I have a configuration
I like, I want to save it for future manipulation. So I save it as a vna file and shut down NetDraw.
- It’s when I open the vna file with Netdraw (the built in link from the UCUNet top banner) that things get weird. The networks open, again, with double arrowheads. But when I try to
turn the arrowheads off, only a very few of the smaller networks lose their arrowheads. The others retain them.
- I try opening a different vna file, saved from the older version of UCINet. ?Same thing. Tried opening a vna file from about 5 years ago – same thing.
?
There must be something still wonky with respect to NetDraw and the arrowheads – I don’t think 15 years of UCINet vna files have just gone round the bend. Could you look into this?
?
Kate McCain
|
Hi, Steve,
?
I downloaded the new UCINet version – and things are still weird. It seems to relate to saving the NetDraw network as a vna file and then trying to use the saved vna file.
?
- I can use Netdraw to open a UCINet data set and things seem to work OK. The set of networks opens with double arrowheads and I can turn them all off and on. When I have a configuration
I like, I want to save it for future manipulation. So I save it as a vna file and shut down NetDraw.
- It’s when I open the vna file with Netdraw (the built in link from the UCUNet top banner) that things get weird. The networks open, again, with double arrowheads. But when I try to
turn the arrowheads off, only a very few of the smaller networks lose their arrowheads. The others retain them.
- I try opening a different vna file, saved from the older version of UCINet. ?Same thing. Tried opening a vna file from about 5 years ago – same thing.
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There must be something still wonky with respect to NetDraw and the arrowheads – I don’t think 15 years of UCINet vna files have just gone round the bend. Could you look into this?
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Kate McCain
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Re: Installation on new M1/M2 Macs
#help
I’m not a Mac user myself, so I don’t know much. I think many universities have citrix workspace, which allows students to run windows applications on different kinds of machines. My university set that up for
a class last semester. It seemed to work, although there were hiccups. E.g., the systems admin who installed ucinet did not know that users needed a local folder to store data. And I think some less techie students continually had trouble finding/using that
folder.
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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Sarah Piombo via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 12:44
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Subject: [ucinet] Installation on new M1/M2 Macs #help
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Hello,
I'm a teaching assistant in a graduate level social network analysis class where we use UCINet. Many of the students have newer M1/M2 Macs and are unable to install UCINet via VirtualBox since it's still in beta for the silicon macs.
We are aware that they could purchase and run UCINet using Parallels, but we feel that it is unfair to ask certain students to purchase Parallels and the university will not supply licenses...?
Has anyone successfully run UCINet on an M1 Mac, NOT using Parallels??
Any suggestions or advice would be much appreciated, thank you!
-Sarah
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Installation on new M1/M2 Macs
#help
Hello,
I'm a teaching assistant in a graduate level social network analysis class where we use UCINet. Many of the students have newer M1/M2 Macs and are unable to install UCINet via VirtualBox since it's still in beta for the silicon macs.
We are aware that they could purchase and run UCINet using Parallels, but we feel that it is unfair to ask certain students to purchase Parallels and the university will not supply licenses...?
Has anyone successfully run UCINet on an M1 Mac, NOT using Parallels??
Any suggestions or advice would be much appreciated, thank you!
-Sarah
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Well that's a nice surprise!
Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of David Tindall via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 21:08 To: [email protected]Cc: tindall@... Subject: Re: [ucinet] Logistic Regression CAUTION: External Sender Thanks for your reply, Steve. BTW, there is a help file for LRQAP. (Which you can find by searching Help.) It's just that it is not currently linked to the procedure. DBT On 2023-02-08 6:04 p.m., Steve Borgatti wrote: [CAUTION: Non-UBC Email]
Yeah it's a good idea. And definitely need a help file for lrqap.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Tindall
via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 20:09
To: [email protected]
Cc: tindall@...
Subject: [ucinet] Logistic Regression
Is there a option for regular logistic regression using permutation
tests in UCINET? (E.g., at the Node level?) (Like there is for OLS.)
(It might be useful for some of us.)
I don't see one in the version of UCINET I have. Though, of course, there is one for the QAP version at the dyadic level.
Also, while I'm here, on my version (6.755) the help button for LR-QAP
is not linked to the right help item (it is linked to DOUBLE DEKKER
SEMI PARTIALLING MRQAP).
Sincerely,
David Tindall
-- David Tindall Professor Department of Sociology, University of British Columbia Chair Environment and Society Minor, Faculty of Arts, University of British Columbia Mailing address: Department of Sociology University of British Columbia 6303 N.W. Marine Drive Vancouver, British Columbia Canada V6T 1Z1 Office Location: Anthropology and Sociology Building Room 1317 E-mail: tindall@...
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Thanks for your reply, Steve.
BTW, there is a help file for LRQAP. (Which you can find by searching Help.) It's just that it is not currently linked to the procedure.
DBT
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On 2023-02-08 6:04 p.m., Steve Borgatti wrote: [CAUTION: Non-UBC Email]
Yeah it's a good idea. And definitely need a help file for lrqap.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Tindall via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 20:09
To: [email protected]
Cc: tindall@...
Subject: [ucinet] Logistic Regression
Is there a option for regular logistic regression using permutation tests in UCINET? (E.g., at the Node level?) (Like there is for OLS.)
(It might be useful for some of us.)
I don't see one in the version of UCINET I have. Though, of course, there is one for the QAP version at the dyadic level.
Also, while I'm here, on my version (6.755) the help button for LR-QAP
is not linked to the right help item (it is linked to DOUBLE DEKKER SEMI
PARTIALLING MRQAP).
Sincerely,
David Tindall
--
David Tindall
Professor
Department of Sociology, University of British Columbia
Chair
Environment and Society Minor, Faculty of Arts, University of British Columbia
Mailing address:
Department of Sociology
University of British Columbia
6303 N.W. Marine Drive
Vancouver, British Columbia
Canada V6T 1Z1
Office Location: Anthropology and Sociology Building Room 1317
E-mail: tindall@...
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Yeah it's a good idea. And definitely need a help file for lrqap.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of David Tindall via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 20:09 To: [email protected]Cc: tindall@... Subject: [ucinet] Logistic Regression Is there a option for regular logistic regression using permutation tests in UCINET? (E.g., at the Node level?) (Like there is for OLS.) (It might be useful for some of us.) I don't see one in the version of UCINET I have. Though, of course, there is one for the QAP version at the dyadic level. Also, while I'm here, on my version (6.755) the help button for LR-QAP is not linked to the right help item (it is linked to DOUBLE DEKKER SEMI PARTIALLING MRQAP). Sincerely, David Tindall -- David Tindall Professor Department of Sociology, University of British Columbia Chair Environment and Society Minor, Faculty of Arts, University of British Columbia Mailing address: Department of Sociology University of British Columbia 6303 N.W. Marine Drive Vancouver, British Columbia Canada V6T 1Z1 Office Location: Anthropology and Sociology Building Room 1317 E-mail: tindall@...
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Is there a option for regular logistic regression using permutation tests in UCINET? (E.g., at the Node level?) (Like there is for OLS.)
(It might be useful for some of us.)
I don't see one in the version of UCINET I have. Though, of course, there is one for the QAP version at the dyadic level.
Also, while I'm here, on my version (6.755) the help button for LR-QAP is not linked to the right help item (it is linked to DOUBLE DEKKER SEMI PARTIALLING MRQAP).
Sincerely,
David Tindall
--
David Tindall
Professor
Department of Sociology, University of British Columbia
Chair
Environment and Society Minor, Faculty of Arts, University of British Columbia
Mailing address:
Department of Sociology
University of British Columbia
6303 N.W. Marine Drive
Vancouver, British Columbia
Canada V6T 1Z1
Office Location: Anthropology and Sociology Building Room 1317
E-mail: tindall@...
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Re: Help with interpretation: Betweenness centrality score and infection status
I’ve never even heard of elastic net regression. Perhaps others can help?
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Obviously, if it were an ordinary logistic regression, and if 1=present and 0=absent, then a negative coefficient would indicate that betweenness reduces the log odds of infection. Would have to know a lot more
about the context and data to guess at possible mechanisms. Eg., does infection spread within dense clusters and high betweenness nodes are often marginal to those clusters, reducing risk?
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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Subject: [ucinet] Help with interpretation: Betweenness centrality score and infection status
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The independent variable "betweenness centrality?score" in my data is ranged between 0 and 4.79 (on continuous scale) for undirected nodes, whereas the dependent/outcome variable
"infection status present/absent" in my data is binary?i.e., 0 or 1. I performed elastic net regression to estimate the effect size and found a negative?coefficient value. Could someone from the group help me how to interpret this result?
Thank you
Shovon
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Re: Foreign Alphabets
#help
Steve, hello!? I didn't see your answer until now. Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's a specific routine where I encounter the problem,
It's the export|DL? (not legacy) that's the issue. As you can see in the attachment there are problems handling letters and characters that I routinely come across in Norwegian and Swedish datasets.
I plan to upload that list into Excel for use in another program and see now way (at present) to avoid having to manually change the names containing these characters.
Any help you could provide would be much appreciated and, of course, a real time saver.
thoughtfully Starling
On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 5:06 PM Steve Borgatti < sborgatti@...> wrote:
Is it a specific routine that is screwing up? If I enter data with these names into the dl editor using a recent version of UCINET, like this:
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It produces this output:
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IMPORT DATA VIA DL EDITOR
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??????????????? 1 2 3 4
????????????????B B S ?
????????????????? ? t d
????????????????r ? a e
????????????????d s r g
????????????????????l ?
????????????????????i r
????????????????????n d
????????????????????g??
????????????????- - - -
?????1???? B?rd 0 0 1 0
?????2???? B??s 1 0 0 0
?????3 Starling????????
?????4? ?deg?rd 1 1 0 0
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4 rows, 4 columns, 1 levels.
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Output UCINET file:????? ???????????????starling (C:\Users\Steve Borgatti\Dropbox\data\ucinet data\starling
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Running time: 00:00:11 seconds.
Output generated: 02 Feb 23 10:54:42
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And a further analysis looks like this:
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->dsp degree(starling)
Normalized = no
See also: indegree and outdegree functions
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???????????????
1 2 3
????????????????D O I
????????????????e u n
????????????????g t d
????????????????r d e
????????????????e e g
????????????????e g r
??????????????????r e
??????????????????e e
??????????????????e??
????????????????- - -
?????1???? B?rd 3 1 2
?????2???? B??s 2 1 1
?????3 Starling 1 0 1
?????4? ?deg?rd 2 2 0
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4 rows, 3 columns, 1 levels.
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So, if your version of ucinet is not from the last few years, then upgrade. If it is recent, tell me exactly what procedures you used to read in the data and/or analyze it. Perhaps older routines don’t understand
Unicode.
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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Hello everyone!
Working with network datasets in Scandinavia presents a few issues concerning names. In short, characters such as umlauts or "o with stroke" aren't recognized.
For example, names like?B??s or?B?rd or ?deg?rd get quite mangled in the output. I either have to Anglicize the names (not always appreciated), use digraphs, e.g. use "oe" for "o with stroke", or manually replace them in the output.
Are there any solutions for this, specifically a way? to get UCINET to recognize these characters?
thoughtfully
Starling
Also working with a few datasets in the Middle East but given the above, I'll assume for now that dealing Arabic script is a complete non-starter!
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Help with interpretation: Betweenness centrality score and infection status
The independent variable "betweenness centrality?score" in my data is ranged between 0 and 4.79 (on continuous scale) for undirected nodes, whereas the dependent/outcome variable "infection status present/absent" in my data is binary?i.e., 0 or 1. I performed elastic net regression to estimate the effect size and found a negative?coefficient value. Could someone from the group help me how to interpret this result?
Thank you
Shovon
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Thanks a lot, Steve! This is really helpful. Can't imagine I forgot such a basic principle.?Appreciate your help!
Best, Simon
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 5:35 PM Steve Borgatti < sborgatti@...> wrote:
Simon, if you had a categorical variable with two categories, such as male and female, and you created two dummies (‘ismale’, ‘isfemale’) and then used both as independent variables, the regression would fail
because of perfect multi-collinearity. You have to use all but one dummy variable. Could that be what happened here?
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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Hi everyone,
I hope you are doing well. When I used UCINET to test a node-level hypothesis, something went wrong. My dependent variable is centrality, and my independent variables
are some dummy?variables and some continuous variables. When I include all dummy variables, all Beta, T, and c.Sig disappear, whereas all p.Sig are 1. When I reduce one dummy variable, it becomes normal. Could anyone explain how this happens? Thanks.
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Simon, if you had a categorical variable with two categories, such as male and female, and you created two dummies (‘ismale’, ‘isfemale’) and then used both as independent variables, the regression would fail
because of perfect multi-collinearity. You have to use all but one dummy variable. Could that be what happened here?
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steve
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Stephen P. Borgatti
Carol Martin Gatton Chair of Management
Gatton College of Business and Economics
University of Kentucky
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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 15:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ucinet] UCINET Regression Problem #error #help
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Hi everyone,
I hope you are doing well. When I used UCINET to test a node-level hypothesis, something went wrong. My dependent variable is centrality, and my independent variables
are some dummy?variables and some continuous variables. When I include all dummy variables, all Beta, T, and c.Sig disappear, whereas all p.Sig are 1. When I reduce one dummy variable, it becomes normal. Could anyone explain how this happens? Thanks.
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Sarah Piombo