“TOYOTA MOTORHOMES 101” (aka Toyota RVs / aka Toyota Campers) To learn all about Toyota Motorhomes, click on READ MORE. ? Toyota Motorhomes are a particular type of Class C Recreational Vehicle, often referred to as “Micro-mini Motorhomes.”? They were built on a Toyota pick-up truck chassis from 1972 to 1994, and are known for their reliability, economy, and ability to park in smaller spaces.? While the exact number of Toyota motorhomes that were produced by multiple manufacturers can never be easily calculated, reasonable estimates of the total number could be as high as 60,000.? Currently Toyota motorhomes appear to be retaining their value, more so than some other brands of motorhomes of the same vintage.? It is not uncommon to see well-cared-for vehicles being advertised and selling in the $25,000 - $35,000 USD range for the rarest,?intentionally restored ones.? Owners report that they appreciate the better-than-average gas mileage that the Toyota engines deliver compared to other motorhomes of the same age and class.? ? ? HISTORICAL OVERVIEW ? There are several distinctive eras of manufacturing of Toyota motorhomes, defined by the type of chassis that was used as the platform: ? 1972-1977 ? The earliest models of Toyota motorhomes were Toyota Chinooks built specifically for Toyota dealerships to sell.? They were built on the Toyota pick-up chassis with 18r and 20r engines.? In place of the truck bed there was a small integrated motorhome, including access between the cab and the coach. ? There are pop-top models of Chinooks with a canvas-sided raised roof to allow a person to stand, and subsequently Chinook produced all-fiberglass models which were full height, known as Newport and Omega models.? There were only two choices of floorplans in Chinooks, with either a dinette behind the cab that made a bed, or a with sofabed on the passenger side.? Chinooks have fresh water tanks, but no holding tanks.? Porta-potties were an option. ? 1978-1981 ? Beginning in 1978 Toyota Motor Corporation started selling their pickup chassis with the 20r engine chassis to multiple motorhome manufacturing companies, to use as a platform for various models with a wider variety of floorplans.? In this era, the majority of Toyota motorhomes came into their own as fully "self-contained," meaning they had holding tanks and water heaters added.?? ? 1982-1985 ? In 1982 Toyota began selling their newer pickup chassis with the 22r engine (carbureted) for the manufacture of motorhomes.? A few were produced with a diesel motor as well.? These chassis were delivered with single wheels on the rear.? Motorhome manufacturers in most cases bolted or welded on additional wheels to carry the extra weight of the coach portion of the vehicle.? This modification stressed the axle in ways it was not designed for, causing the axles to break, sometimes suddenly while traveling.? (See the section below regarding the “Axle Recall.”)? Some manufacturers addressed the extra weight issue by using tandem (two) rear axles.? ? 1986-1988 ? To permanently correct this issue, in 1986 Toyota started selling only pick-up chassis for motorhome manufacture that already had dual rear wheels (four total) on a full one-ton floating axle.? This so-called "safe" axle is easily identified by the fact that it has six lug nuts, not five.? (Note that it is possible to be fooled by a plastic wheel cover that imitates five lug nuts.)? Beginning in 1987, the chassis supplied by Toyota had matching six-lug wheels (with up-graded brakes) on the front as well.?? ? Also in 1986, the improved 22re engine (fuel injected) was introduced for the chassis that was provided to motorhome manufacturers.? A very few were built with a 22re Turbo engine as well.? ? At the peak of production (in the 1980s) there were approximately three dozen manufacturers using the Toyota chassis to build motorhomes. (See the list which follows.? It contains almost 50 models, but not all manufacturers were active at the same time.)? These various manufacturers each created multiple floorplans:? some with bunk beds, even one model with a slide-out side (Four Seasons).? For reference, hundreds of online photos of Toyota motorhomes are available in this group’s “Files” Section.? ? 1989-1994? ? In 1989 (1988 in Canada) Toyota began supplying motorhome manufacturers with an all-new pick-up chassis with the more powerful 3.0 V-6 engine 3VZ-E, continuing until 1993.? For a good percentage of these vehicles, the model year of the motorhome is titled as one year newer than the chassis year because manufacturing of the motorhome took several months to be completed.? (This means that any 1994 Toyota motorhome is actually built on a 1993 chassis.) ?By this time there were only about 10 Toyota motorhome manufacturers continuing to build on the V-6 chassis.? (See the list which follows.) ? ? TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION ? The earliest Toyota Chinook models made specifically for Toyota all have coach shells made from molded fiberglass. ? Starting in 1978 with the offering of the Toyota chassis to multiple manufacturers, many of them chose to use the more common conventional construction style for the coach portion, using wooden framing with corrugated aluminum exterior siding.? Between 1986 and 1988, most manufacturers transitioned to corrugated fiberglass siding, with some retaining the corrugated aluminum for the curved portions on the front and rear.? A very few manufacturers used aluminum framing too, for more longevity. ? Several of the manufacturers continued the style of molded fiberglass for the coach, the most prolific being Sunrader.? (See additional information below.)? The rounded style of the molded fiberglass is considered by some to be quite attractive, and the potential for rain leaks is less; although fiberglass coaches can still leak just as much around their vents and windows as a conventionally built motorhome. ? ? ? ENGINE COMPARISONS ? Many Toyota motorhome owners report a preference for the 3.0 V-6 engine (3VZ-E) because of its increased horsepower, compared to the 4-cylinder engines, for powering a vehicle of mini-motorhome weight.? However it is also suggested that the older 4-cylinder engines in Toyota motorhomes (20r, 22r, and 22re), especially those with a manual transmission, are preferable because they are simpler to work on and maintain, compared to the V-6 engines. ? ? Both engines tend to get about the same gas mileage, with manual transmissions being more economical than automatics in both cases.? Gas mileage reports vary widely between 11 mpg and 19mpg, with the primary variable being speed of travel.? Most owners report that driving about 55 mph gives the best performance.? However weather conditions (wind), terrain (hills), type of gas (ethanol), and overall weight are also very significant factors. ? ? Motorhomes with 4-cylinder engines can comfortably run at highway speeds when on flat terrain, but do tend to slow down significantly on hills.? Even so, 4-cylinder Toyota motorhomes have often been taken by their owners over 11,000' passes in Colorado without issues, albeit going slowly.? For 4-cylinder motorhomes with automatic transmissions made before 1987, adding an auxiliary transmission oil cooler is highly recommended to help prevent transmission overheating.? (Transmission oil coolers became standard equipment after 1987.)? 4-cylinder (22r, 22re) owners are also cautioned to watch out for wear on the plastic timing chain guides that can show up as a brief rattle on startup, somewhere after about 75,000 miles.? Immediate replacement is recommended to avoid more costly engine repairs. ? Likewise, V-6 owners are cautioned to pay attention to keeping the valves adjusted regularly as per the factory recommendations, and to notice if any exhaust manifold leaks develop (which tend to be more common on the passenger side with this engine). ? ? Occasionally some owners have chosen to replace the motorhome engine with a different model or brand (such as a Toyota 3.4 or a Lexus or a Chevy V-8) to provide more power for recreational vehicle use. ? In addition to these basic descriptions of the several versions of engines used for Toyota motorhomes, one can find many available opinions from other online Toyota groups, regarding specific engine quirks, differences, merits, and recommendations. ? ? ? PURCHASING A TOYOTA MOTORHOME ? All Toyota motorhomes are now over 28 years old and many are almost 40.? Because of this, prices depend more significantly on condition rather than on the specific model and year as with most other vehicles.? The range of condition is quite extreme, from those that are amazingly well-cared-for and fully functional with multiple upgrades and enhancements such as solar power systems, to those which are truly falling apart from neglect. ? ? Before making a selection for purchase, buyers would be wise to become well-educated about the various models and engines, as well as familiar with the operation of the various RV systems so that they can properly be evaluated for their functionality and for the level of repair that they likely will require.? This group can provide excellent instruction for potential buyers regarding what to look for in advance, so that their dream motorhome doesn’t turn out to be a so-called “money pit.”? Most buyers can expect that they will need to spend a lot of “hobby time” with a new-to-them Toyota motorhome to make it safely drivable and optimally comfortable for travel.? However when it is refreshed to be fully operational, most owners report that they definitely appreciate the enjoyment that a Toyota Micro-mini Motorhome can provide.? ? ? SPECIFIC CONCERNS FOR TOYOTA RVS ? Axle Recall -- 1991 ? In April 1991, the issue of the overstressed single wheel axles used prior to 1986 caused the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to issue a recall requiring all manufacturers who added additional rear wheels to the single wheel axles to replace them with the true one-ton full-floating dual wheel axles.? (There is an additional document in these Files which is a copy of a notice from NHTSA’s office of Defects Investigation that was sent to National RV Inc. in California.) ? ? This liability?for unsafe axles plus other market factors caused a great majority of the manufacturers of Toyota motorhomes to go out of business around this time.? ? For owners of vehicles with the recalled axle, whose manufacturer was no longer in business, Toyota Motor Sales USA offered a free replacement one-ton dual wheel axle.? The cost to install it was responsibility of the owner.? (This free axle offer expired in 2004.)? It is estimated from viewing online sales for the past decade that about 65% of the vehicles with recalled axles have had them replaced. ? ? Finally in 1994 Toyota Motor Corporation ceased offering their pick-up chassis to motorhome manufacturers in the United States altogether, presumably because of the continuing liability and litigation.? Toyota did continue offering their chassis for the manufacture of motorhomes in other countries (Australia and Japan) with the appropriate right-hand drive.? ? V-6 Engine Head Gasket "Recall” - 1996 ? In October 1996 Toyota Motor Sales USA issued a Special Service Campaign (VO-6 Campaign) for the head gaskets on its 3.0 L 3VZ-E engine used in Toyota motorhomes and other vehicles.?(Technically, it is not a “recall.”)? The campaign is for replacement of the head gaskets because the material initially used in these model years has proven to be inferior, causing engine overheating.? The campaign has 2 parts; one for the years 1988 to early 1990? (which expired first), and one for the years 1990 -1993 of Toyota motorhome chassis, which has now also expired.? (There is an additional document in these Files which is a copy of the letter that was sent to Toyota Service Centers with detailed information.) ? ? Not all Toyota motorhomes of these years were recalled, presumably due to variations between factories.? This special service campaign was still being honored by Toyota Service Centers (Dealers) through December 2018.? Toyota Service Centers were compensated for performing the required replacement work through that date, but the choice to accept the vehicle for service or not was up to the individual Service Center. ?Toyota Service Centers are still capable of performing this head gasket?replacement, but they are no longer compensated, so the expense falls on the vehicle owner now. ? ? V-6 MANUFACTURERS OF TOYOTA MOTORHOMES (1989 - 1994) ? Only a handful of the dozens of manufacturers "survived" the axle liability and market forces, to continue manufacturing Toyota motorhomes with the V-6 chassis in the 1990s.?? ? Following is a list of the top 9 motorhome manufacturers that continued to build on the Toyota V-6 chassis, in descending order of total number of vehicles manufactured?(based on the observed number of vehicles available for sale in the last 10 or so years): ? Winnebago Industries (Forest City, IA)? 1986 - 1994 manufactured ''Toye'' (no-frills), ''Warrior'' (basic), and ''Itasca Spirit'' (higher-end) models, in both 21' and 19' lengths. ? National RV, Inc. (Perris, CA) 1978 - 1994,?manufactured ''Dolphin'' (basic) and ''SeaBreeze'' (higher end) models in 18' initially, and then 21' and 19' lengths. ? Leisure Odyssey (San Bernardino, CA) 1980 - 1991 manufactured multiple conventionally constructed ''Odyssey'' models (named for their floorplans), and an ''Americana'' model with a molded fiberglass overcab.? Odysseys have the tallest and widest interior of any brand of Toyota motorhome.? All models are 21', except a very few which are their tilt-top model and their four-wheel drive models which are shorter.?? ? Gardner-Pacific Corp. (Vallejo, CA) 1979 - 1991 manufactured the ''Sunrader'' & ''Sunrader Classic'' models in 18' and 21' lengths.? Sunraders are well-known (and noticeably sought-after) for their molded fiberglass construction with a clamshell design that has the upper and lower portion seamed around the middle.? This construction, without the usual seams between a side-panel and the roof, lessens the possibility of rain leaking into the structure.? The vast majority of Sunraders were manufactured with the 22r and 22re (four cylinder engines).? A very few of these (28) were also made with an 18' four-wheel drive chassis.? (No Sunrader "4x4s" were made with a V-6 engine.) ?Since then there are perhaps a dozen or more Sunraders that have been seen on the internet that have been converted to be 4x4s. ?The two-wheel drive V-6 Sunraders, especially the shorter 18’ model, are almost as rare, and ads are often seen from potential buyers seeking them.? Additionally, in the earliest years of the company, Gardner-Pacific also made a very few slide-in campers and fifth wheel models with the same molded fiberglass clam-shell design.? ? Gulfstream Coach, Inc. (Elkhart, IN) 1989 - 1993 manufactured the ''Conquest'' model, and the higher-end “Ultra'' model, which has aluminum rather than wooden framing. ? International Vehicles Corp. (Bristol, IN) manufactured the ''Horizon ST'' model with a molded fiberglass overcab. ? Rockwood, Inc., (Goshen, IN) manufactured the ''Roamer'' model. ? Bonanza Travelers (Elkhart, IN) made the pop-top ''Bandit'' model. ? Slumber Queen (British Columbia) made a model for the Canadian market.? ? ? GATHERINGS OF OWNERS ? There are several gatherings per year in various places in the United States where owners of Toyota motorhomes get together for “Rallies” or “Toy-ins” as they are sometimes called.? Locations have recently been in Arizona, California, Washington, Idaho, Florida, Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Vermont, and Massachusetts.? Rallies scheduled so far for 2022 are planned for Arizona, New England, and the Mid-West.? Details about upcoming rallies are posted in this group in the “Messages” section. ? |
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Welcome to the Toyota-campers Group - continuing since 2001
Welcome to the Toyota-campers group at 开云体育. This group is a continuation of the Toyota-Campers Yahoo Group that originally started at the beginning of 2001. Now after years of being a very active online-community for Toyota Mini-motorhome owners, we have accumulated a great wealth of information in our Files, Links, and Photos. Both new and existing owners will find many detailed documents about the history of Toyota RVs, and tips for making your “Toyhouse” more comfortable, drivable, presentable, and enjoyable. This group migrated from the Yahoo platform in November 2019, and this accumulated data has been transferred here to this group for all those who wish to access it. Please continue posting all your Toyota RVing questions, comments, and reports and photos here! Tika, Group Owner/Moderator Toyota RV owner for over 30 years
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Keeping this group ongoing
Thank you to those who have expressed concern about the cost of this group. It is heartwarming to find that so many folks care. Moving this group from yahoo has cost $200 for the expedited transfer fee (as a credit card payment), plus it will cost an expected $20 per month into the future. For those of you who feel it has been valuable to keep this group going, and have asked about helping, we will give you an opportunity to make a donation to cover the costs. Please contact us privately for a Paypal address. You can reply with a message you mark “private” at the lower right. Any folks that want to offer support will be appreciated. As it has evolved, this group's function has been pooling the collective wisdom of Toyota RV owners in our posts and files, so as to be able to educate others who seek to learn, without "reinventing the wheel" so to speak. If you have gotten something from this group and want to see it continue, and if you are in a position to help that happen, please send a private reply. Thank you! Tika Owner/moderator Toyota-Campers Group at 开云体育
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ready
We are now ready and waiting to use are unit, as soon as it warms up. -=dr=-
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elec. prob / no air
Now, I am told that the breaker keeps going off on the one section of the electrical system. It is the area for the bathroom, and the lights over the cab bed. Also I have noticed that the running lights on the front of the unit did not light up as well. Anyone have any idea on how to start to check this out? Now I know there was a posting some time ago about not getting air out of the vents . . . this is a problem I seem to have as well. I checked the leaver for in-out air and that moves however it will still not le the air come out of the vents. The blower seems to be loud as though it is working but still no air? Any ideas on this one folks? -=dr=-
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Help - need special size for Holding tanks
Anyone of you know where I can get a holding tank the following size: 17" X 24" needs to be 13" on the depth, can use on less than this. Any ideas? -=dr=- "tankless in Wisconsin"
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LP system problems
So, I needed to have a new shut-off valve put on the unit. I did so, and had it done at a RV dealer, price wasn't to bad. 9.99 for the valve and small charge to put in on. The guys said I probably would need to fill the tank, so I went to have the LP tank filled however, it would not take any gas . . .could it be that the LP will not all run out when they put the valve on, or is there some other problem I wonder? I will be going to an LP dealer in the next couple of days to have it checked out. Do you think the tank could be full, and how do I find out? -=dr=-
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NO! to Trim-Line
We purchased a Trim Line awning and screen room to use with our 17 footer. I DO NOT RECOMMEND this product. The poles that hold up the awing do not hold the awning up if it is cold or hot!! There are holes in the the awning itself, from rolling it up one time, this is nuts, and the main part on the screen room has a tear in the corner of the canvas after having it up for three days. Thank goodness we bought it from "Campers World" and they say as long as we have the receipt they will take it back. Anyone have suggestions on what to buy that works? -=dr=- _________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
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Toyota-Mini MH.
Nathan, Thank you for starting this list. I will spread the word. I'm now on a list, here at egroups, for the Ford Festiva (aka Mazda 121) we grew from 4 members to 340 in about 3yrs. Our members are from all over the world. The Festiva has high seats, wide doors, is a great driving little car and is, within reason, towable by our Sunraders as it weighs around 1800Lbs. The car can be towed all four down and many are in service as toads. Made 1988-1993 a good one can be purchased for $800-1,500. My Sunrader is a 1986, 20ft, pop up. Auto trans, power steer. I get around 19-20 Mpg. I restored this machine after it sat undriven for 4-5 years. (yes they did start it up from time to time).(54k on od.) I have a friend who also has a Sunrader. His is a 1985, 19ft. his has a bathroom, mine does not. We traveled together this fall and both units ran trouble free. I have lots of Sunrader stuff to impart and lots to learn. Thanks again for starting this list. Best regards. Jack A2 Ann Arbor Mi.
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Another Toyota nut
Hi, I joined after finding out about the club from fellow member Jacka2, Thanks. If it has to do with toyota's I can't resist. I currently have 3 toyota campers, its an addiction I think! a 76 Chinook poptop I've had for almost 13 years I did a ground up restoration on, a 78 Odessey I got and restored about 3+ years ago, the wife wanted a bathroom and the extra room is nice too, and just recently got another 75 Chinook poptop for another project to keep me ocuppied and broke. My Chinook restoration got me started on these mini homes and my search for more info on there history. Just recently started a club for toyota motorhomes on yahoo and also built a web site devoted to the Chinook. I will post the address's on the links page if anyone is interested in looking or joining. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas.
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Fuel filter
I have an 86, FI, 22R-E. My Chiltons book notes that the starter "may" have to be removed to replace the fuel filter. Any one replaced it without pulling the starter?? How? Jack A2
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Hi...Just Signed On
Thanks to Jacka2's tip on another RV list, have just signed up here. I have an 82 (or 3) Phoenix on a Toyota platform. It is a 4 banger with 4 speed manual trans. Tapes out to 22 ft. The rig is orphaned, made by Santanna in SoCal, who are no longer in business. No problems except standard ones...fridge, furnace, etc...common to most any older rig. As long as the crapper works I don't sweat over slight inconveniences as I travel alone except for the dog. The one problem I have is the rear wheel clearance, on the right side. It rubs audibly when pulling slow into, say, a gas station driveway, when the rig sways side to side. Previous owner tried a fix, beefing up that spring. Also has air charged shocks back there. Could be a problem I'd have to fix as I like boondocking in the back country or desert areas where roads are primitive. Look forward to hearing about Toyota-based rigs here. All the other RV lists concentrate on Detroit platforms. Paul/Calif
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Chinook question
Hi Jacka2, the Chinook was built by Chinook Mobilodge during the 70's they used the toyota truck as a base and removed the bed, cut out the rear of the cab and installed the camper body for a walkthru type installation, if you were real short anyway. Their all fiberglass construction like the Sunrader you have. I installed the 4 wheel drive under the one I restored as toyota never built a 4x4 before 1979 and the Chinooks were only built until 1978. It was one of those projects that got out of hand and I didn't know where to quit. Thanks for looking.
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Fuel filter replacement
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Those are no fun to get to for sure, there is a removable panel on the fenderwell, at least on the 4x4 there is, that will allow you to use a long extension to reach in without having to remove the starter, but its still a pain trying to break the fuel lines loose with the limited access. The guy that designed that setup ought to have to change one himself. Good luck
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Hi Jack, In my searching for old literature on toyota campers I came across a Sunrader motorhome and slide in camper owners manual on a bookstore web site, I don't know what years it covers or anything, in fact I just mailed the check off yesterday so when it gets here I'll let you know what it is and what it covers. Your oil consumption might be the valve guide seals letting enough past to show use but not smoke, just a guess, Your probably on the right track with the tranny problem, with all the computer controlled electronics it could be thermal or some sensor or who knows what. Hope you figure it out.
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hey nice site
well the site is picking up pretty quick.Hey you might want to show dad the Chinook link sometime later Jeff
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Chinook
Thanks rockhound for the great links on Chinooks. My grandpa owns a 1977 chinook, it has about 150,000 miles on the original motor. He has drove it from coast to coast. He has upgraded size wise to a 21ft 1986 Toyota, he converted the automatic to a 5 speed manual transmisson. He still has the chinook and will never give it up though. Nate
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towing
How does your unit handle climbing towing the Festiva? Have you every went through the Rockies? I read somewhere a person towed a Geo Metro behind there toyota 4 banger. Nate
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Ready to travel
I received an Atlas and some other camping supplies for Christmas and I'm ready to hit the open road. I live in Ohio and it is about 2 degrees outside with snow, so my mind tends start wondering. Is anybody else ready to travel. My toyota is in the driveway calling me to start traveling. Nate
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Archives.
Nate and fellow listers. Just wanted to pass along what we learned on another egroup list re: Archives. The tighter list members hold to the subject line, the more useful Archive searchs will be. So if all will repost when the subject changes, instead of just hitting the reply button we will have a great Archive in a year or two. The only reason I mention this is, we are starting out with a nice, clean Archive and, if we are all aware, we can keep it that way. We messed ours up a bit on the other list because in the begining we didn't know better. The Archive on egroups is one of the best on the web and can also be accessed through listquest.com Jack A2 86 Sunrader(pop up) Jack A2
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I found a 79 sunrader in really good shape for 1,800 here in Arkansas. I already own a 79 Sunrader and a 77 chinook. My wife sais that if I buy another she will kill me in my sleep (grin). If anyone is interested I will give you the info. Really enjoyeeing this sight, it is nice to see I am not the only one with this obsession. Benton
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