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1991 Warrior V6, valve adjustment and wheel repacks, cost?


 

I just got a quote of $2681.74 to do the 60K-mile valve adjustment and wheel bearing repacks on the toyhouse V6.? Seems kind of excessive... what do you all think?


 

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Seems high

On 7/12/23 09:27, fld@... wrote:

I just got a quote of $2681.74 to do the 60K-mile valve adjustment and wheel bearing repacks on the toyhouse V6.? Seems kind of excessive... what do you all think?


 

how many hours did they say
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rz


 

They didn't say, but I think their shop rate is something like $135 an hour (that could be wrong.... seems high).

I asked them specifically for an estimate for the valve adjustment and wheel repacks and if you would like a morning laugh, here was their reply (names deleted to protect the guilty):

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  • With a vehicle of this age, there is a good possibility we run into some incidentals and (the mechanic) has a few "while we are there, its probably a good idea to replace theses as well" items.
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  • (the mechanic) didn’t recall seeing a timing belt sticker affixed in the engine bay and he noted a significant smell of coolant coming from the engine bay. With that being said he is recommending Timing belt, water pump, cam seals, 2 idler pulleys, belt tensioner pulley, tensioner spring, and the thermostat. You are looking at roughly $800.00 in parts and $990.00 in labor.
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  • There is possibility of the Radiator and both hoses needing to be done as well. You would be at $412.50 in labor plus parts.
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  • For the valve clearance inspection, valve adjustment, and the valve cover gasket replacement, you would be looking at $66.74 in parts and $990.00 in labor.
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  • For the repack of the wheel bearings and all new seals you would be looking at $730.00 for the front and $895.00 for the rears.
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  • With the vehicle of this age there will more than likely be incidentals whether it be items that brake or things we find while we are in there. (the mechanic) will be as careful as possible but just wanted to be clear that additional parts and labor may arise.
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Total for all was just south of $5000.? For the valves and wheel repacks, $2681.74.

The timing belt, water pump and radiator hoses were done less than 25,000 miles ago so I'm not considering them.

I can get my regular mechanic to do it for considerably less but he's too busy right now to fit me in.? So, I'm asking around.


 

i would not trust them. at 135 /hour? thats 5 hours to pack front brngs.? ridiculous
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rz


 

Yeah, I underquoted their shop rate... it's actually $165 an hour.


 

still? it doesn't take 4.4 hours to pack front wheel brngs
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rz


 

When I was pumping gas for a living back in the late 1960's, I repacked my share of front wheel bearings for customers, and yeah, it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours max I would think.

The rear, I don't know.? I never did rear wheel bearing repacks.? In those days everything was rear wheel drive and if I recall correctly (been a LONG time) the rear wheels got plenty of lubrication from the differential oil.

So, on the (rear wheel drive) toyhouse, do the rear wheel bearings need to be separately repacked?? How much more is involved in doing those than the front?


 

yep? they don't get gear lube. they're sealed from it.? packing them is basically the same as fronts except removing them involves removing the axle. a little more work, and one more seal
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rz


 

It depends on what the shop means by repack/reseal wheel bearings.

For the common definition (remove bearings,? clean and re-grease, reinstall), the estimates are WAY too high.

If their definition includes replacing the brakes (new rotors/drums, new pads/shoes) and entirely new bearings, bearing races, and seals, then maybe their
estimates are more reasonable.

if you are at all handy and have common automotive hand tools, this is the sort of job you can do yourself.

The valve adjustement estimate seems more reasonable. There's a lot of stuff that has to be removed to get at the valve covers, so that takes time.

The estimates for other work are common practice. The don't know the history of the vehicle, so some suggested work is based upon
recommended maintenance intervals or "this is about the age/mileage these parts fail"

Other reasons for the high estimate for the bearings (and other work) could include:

1) They are estimating the "worst case scenario" where the bearings have failed and spewed grease all over the brakes, requiring all the
work I described above. The actual bill if it's a simple remove-regrease-reinstall? may be lower.

2) They actually don't want to work on your Toyhome, so they're trying to scare you off (or make bank if they have to work on it)

3) They've taken a financial hit elsewhere in the business and are trying to cover the losses by raising prices on other customers.
This is a common retail practice. For example, your local supermarket doesn't sell $6 frozen pizzas at two for $5 because their
costs went down. Someone somewhere is paying a higher price for something to make up the difference.

If you cannot find someone to do the wheel bearing repack at a more reasonable cost, I suggest neglecting it. Repacking bearings
is good maintenance practice, but it is NOT absolutely essential. The failure mode is the bearing grease gets old/dirty/sticky,
which causes the bearings to start wearing away. As the bearings wear, they will make more and more noise giving you
PLENTY of warning that they are going bad. If that happens and you need to replace a worn bearing, it will cost you about
what you were quoted to "repack" them.? Unless you ignore them while they are howling like mad, this is not something that's
going to strand you somewhere.

Good luck,

Buzz L.
Phoenix, AZ
Former '86 Dolphin, '89 HiLux, and '96 Tacoma owner


 

fld@...?wrote:

>> So, on the (rear wheel drive) toyhouse, do the rear wheel bearings need to be separately repacked?

rz wrote:

>> yep? they don't get gear lube. they're sealed from it.

Are you sure about that, rz?? I spoke with two different mechanics from two different auto repair shops.? One of them told me he is "pretty sure" the rear bearings get their lube from the gear oil, and the other said he was "100% certain" that that is the case.

The Toyota truck dealership guy said "I don't know, I'll check and call you back" then I never heard back.

So far I'm getting quotes from $350 to $1600 for this wheel repack job.? The Toyota dealer was the $1600 quote.

This is the so-called "full floating" axle, right?


 

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 01:58 PM, <fld@...> wrote:
This is the so-called "full floating" axle, right?
Huh.? Now Google tells me that the stock Toyota axles were semi-floating, and that full-floating conversions are available.

How can I determine which one I have?


 

go to toyotanation.com? ?search one ton rear drum removal
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rz