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Hi Jacka2, Toyota started building the true one ton in 86, when in 86
they were available I'm not sure, mid to later models? they were only
available as a cab chassis unit, not a pickup. In the early 80's
toyota built the pickup in the standard, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton, they
were just the standard truck rear axle with extra leaf springs,
nothing special, the 1 ton had 2 or 3 extra leaf springs and 6 ply
tires to give it the 1 ton rating. The early motorhomes were just the
standard rear axle with extra springs or overloads for increased
weight capacity. The true 1 ton floater axle was designed for the 86
and newer chassis but would fit back to 84 with no changes. If
swapped into a 79-83 chassis the axle would fit the frame width fine,
the E brake connection was no problem, the bottom Ubolt plates were
different, the early models had the shocks both on the same side
where the newer models had the staggered shocks and the kit supplied
the newer staggered type plates, and the wheel cylinders needed to be
changed in the rear to the early size, but were supplied in the kit.
If swapped into a 78 or earlier chassis the body style that still
had 4 headlights, the spring pads on the differintial had to be
removed and moved inboard an inch or so because the frame width is
narrower, the Ubolt/shock plates needed the same side style as the 79-
83, I had to fabricate mine, the E brake had to be adapted to hook up
to the early style, not a big problem, and the driveline flange on
the rear third member had to be changed to the early style to fit the
ujoint bolt pattern, and also the wheel cylinders were changed to the
early type. It was a bit of work but not a real tough job and the
piece of mind was worth it knowing the rear axle wasn't going to
break off at some unknown time. Also if a person does make the
change, try to get the 1 ton rear springs along with the axle, they
are pretty stout and easier than having to build up a set of springs
like I did.

--- In toyota-campers@..., jack_redman@h... wrote:

Hi, I am glad to join this message board regarding Toyota campers.

I

have a '86 Sunrader, 4 cyl, automatic. It is 21 feet long and has
the rear dining area. I just love it. We have taken 7 trips in it
so far (since July 2000) and find it very comfortable. I have done
several improvements to the unit... added a cd player, added cruise
control, added a tachometer, added a dash clock (out of a salvage
pick-up, and added an indoor\outdoor thermometer. My unit already
had supplemental air bags on the rear springs, but I added an

onboard

compressor to keep them pumped up.

My biggest concern with my unit is that it uses oil. It only has
81,000 miles but uses a quart every 500 miles. I switched to 20-50W
but did not notice any difference. It does not smoke or leak oil,

so

until it becomes an obvious problem I will just keep adding oil as I
go along.

I sure would like to get my hands on a copy of the original Sunrader
owners manual (not the Toyota owners manual). There must be a

wiring

diagram in that documentation to help me. If anyone has a set I
would be happy to pay the expense to have copies made and sent to

me.

Another issue with my Sunrader is that if I get into hilly country
that requires a lot of shifting, I find that my overdrive will stop
working. I think it is a thermal condition caused when the
transmission fluid heats up. The overdrive will eventually start
working again after we level out again. Has anyone else experienced
this problem?

Well, better close for now.

Jack

Hi Jack,

I guess we have two Jacks now. Might get a bit confusing.
I live in Ann Arbor, Mi, thus the A2.

On your Trans not shifing to OD. I read a post somwhere
that said the OD was operated by an internal cable. Could
it streach when hot? I would change trans fluid and filter
and add a trans cooler and temp gage.

I have the original Sunrader manual. It's useless. It is
generic and is, like all modern owners manuals, written by
the attorneys. It has no wiring or plumbing diagrams. It
doesn't even give the capacity of the water tank. Its says
"congratulations on your purchase of your new Sunrader".

Jack A2

Nolan and list

Were the one tons only supplied from 1986 up?

Were the early ones 3/4 ton?

Can the rearends and axle assemblys be swapped
out from the 86s up, to the early units ? (I've
seen them in the bone yards.)

Jack A2

--- In toyota-campers@..., theeagle@k... wrote:

Do you guys know of any other sites where I might find toyota

owners. I want to make as many people aware of this site as possible.

Thanks,
Nate

Nate,

Here are couple of real hot RV sites you might want to
hit. www.rvadvise.com and/or www.rvhome.com (may be same).

The best way to find them all is to use the Altavista
search engine and put in RV.

As with all list start ups, its best to post a number
of times to keep reminding them that a list exists, and
if you can, put in a link.

This site is great, thanks again for putting it up.

Jack A2

Hey Nate, should have said tell grandpa he's a good man for not
getting rid of the chinook instead of dad. Figured I would throw my 2
cents worth in here on the dual rear wheel setups. If you can find
one and can afford it go with the newer one ton axle and the seperate
rear dual wheels, much better way to go. The old style of rear duals
that were 2 wheels welded together with the sleeve in the center are
around but hard to find, don't know if anyone is even making them
anymore or not, doubt it. But in actual use if traveling, if you have
a flat on the road you either have to run a single spare or run with
the flat until you find somewhere to repair it. They are heavy, and
awkward to change, and most tire stores hate to mess with them
because the tires have to be mounted and dismounted by hand cause you
can't get a tire machine to work on the inner beads, they are nearly
impossible to balance. If a person is intent on running them a couple
of tips that will help the chances of less problems are to check the
lugnut tightness often and to run more air pressure in the inside
tire which helps carry more of the load centered over the axle
bearing.

naaaaaaa, just my poor attempt at humor. Like the sight
Benton

and happy Hanukka (grin)
Benton

Hope everyone had a good Christmas and all, I was gone for the day
and when I got home it took me a while to catch up on all the toyota
messages. Glad you enjoyed the Chinook page Nate, tell dad he's a
good man not getting rid of the Chinook. As far as the 79 Sunrader,
why do you guys tempt me like that? I got too many Toyotas around
here now so I better pass or the wife will have me living in one on
the street.
At one time I had a phone number for a Toyota motorhome hotline
that they would tell you if your particular rig was effected by the
recall or not but can't find the number now. The recall was for rigs
from around 86 and earlier, Toyota started supplying the one ton
chassis in the 86 models so they all had the newer one ton axles
under them, but the recall has been over for some time now and as of
a couple years ago there were still a couple of the coach
manufacturers still standing behind the axle upgrade but not paying
the total bill as during the recall. They would supply the axle kit
but you had to pay freight and installation. I lucked out and found
one of the original kits for sale and bought it and installed it in
my 78 Odessey, not a bolt in job either, they were made for the 79
and newer chassis. My folks own a 91 Winnabago Toyota with the V6,
auto trans, 21' and they average around 13-16 MPG depending on the
terrain. Better go let this Christmas dinner digest now, have a good
one, Nolan

Do you guys know of any other sites where I might find toyota owners. I want to make as many people aware of this site as possible.
Thanks,
Nate

--- In toyota-campers@..., theeagle@k... wrote:

You can tell if the rear end has been replaced if the unit has a 1

ton hub, older models do not have the hub sticking out, the replaced
ones do. Toyota recalled the rear ends several years ago. My 1986
was replaced before I purchased it. My dads 1978 and my grandpa's
1977 and 1986 have not been replaced. If your camper looks like the
back rims are as old as the camper then it problably has not been
replaced. I would call a Toyota dealership and incquire.

Nate
--- In toyota-campers@..., wildlife@i... wrote:

When I bought my chinook and sunrader, neither had the dulies on

the

rear end. It is not that big of a deal with the chinook, but I

know

the sunrader would drive smoother with the dulies. My only option

is

buying a rather expensive kit unless I can find someone parting

out.

Any suggestions. Also I hear alot of talk of axel systems and

trouble

related to them, How can I know for sure if this is a problem

with

mine and is there any possibility of having Toyota still take

care of

this even though the recall is past

Thanks Nate. I'm callin Toyota in the morning......now if I can just
acquire some dulies.
Benton

Wildlife. (how about a name?)

Here's all I know about Axles,

The one ton Toyota chas
came with two types. Floating, and Non-floating. Non-
floating has only one set of bearings on the inside
end of the axle. Floating, has a set of bearings on
both inside and outside ends of the axle. In other
words the Axle is "floated" by bearings on each end.

The Floating type is very apparent to the eye, as it is
a large,cast hub. My 86 has Floating, my friend's 85 has
non-floating.

The problems occured in the non-floating axles with after-
market dual wheel add ons.

I would suggest you pull up the
web site and read what's there on the recalls, as it's too
extensive to re-run here.

Good luck.

Jack A2

You can tell if the rear end has been replaced if the unit has a 1 ton hub, older models do not have the hub sticking out, the replaced ones do. Toyota recalled the rear ends several years ago. My 1986 was replaced before I purchased it. My dads 1978 and my grandpa's 1977 and 1986 have not been replaced. If your camper looks like the back rims are as old as the camper then it problably has not been replaced. I would call a Toyota dealership and incquire.
Nate

--- In toyota-campers@..., jacka2@e... wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@..., wildlife@i... wrote:

I found a 79 sunrader in really good shape for 1,800 here in
Arkansas. I already own a 79 Sunrader and a 77 chinook. My wife

sais

that if I buy another she will kill me in my sleep (grin). If

anyone

is interested I will give you the info. Really enjoyeeing this

sight,

it is nice to see I am not the only one with this obsession.

Benton

Benton,

Sounds like a deal, I hope a list member grabs it.
Tell us more. Does it run? What else do you know
about it? Did you see it? Drive it?

These things are great fun, as is this list.

Jack A2

Yes I saw it, started it and everything. It is a steal. Everything
works. It shows 40 something thousand and I believe it is true miles.
I'm, serious, if my wife wouldn't go crazy, I'd buy it myself.

Benton

--- In toyota-campers@..., wildlife@i... wrote:

I found a 79 sunrader in really good shape for 1,800 here in
Arkansas. I already own a 79 Sunrader and a 77 chinook. My wife sais
that if I buy another she will kill me in my sleep (grin). If anyone
is interested I will give you the info. Really enjoyeeing this

sight,

it is nice to see I am not the only one with this obsession.

Benton

Benton,

Sounds like a deal, I hope a list member grabs it.
Tell us more. Does it run? What else do you know
about it? Did you see it? Drive it?

These things are great fun, as is this list.

Jack A2

Nate,

I have not towed the Fest with the SR yet. But,
like you, I read that post on the guy who towed
a Geo all through Mexico in a 22 foot SR 4 banger.
so I anticipate no problems when I set it up this
summer.

If I remember though, he blew a tranny in LA after
coming back from about a years driving in Mexico.

I think a trans cooler and trans temp gage (like
the big guys use) would be a must for the hill
country.

Anybody out there toading with a Toyota unit??


Jack A2

When I bought my chinook and sunrader, neither had the dulies on the
rear end. It is not that big of a deal with the chinook, but I know
the sunrader would drive smoother with the dulies. My only option is
buying a rather expensive kit unless I can find someone parting out.
Any suggestions. Also I hear alot of talk of axel systems and trouble
related to them, How can I know for sure if this is a problem with
mine and is there any possibility of having Toyota still take care of
this even though the recall is past

Nate and fellow listers.

Just wanted to pass along what we learned on another egroup
list re: Archives.

The tighter list members hold to the subject line, the more
useful Archive searchs will be.

So if all will repost when the subject changes, instead of
just hitting the reply button we will have a great Archive
in a year or two.

The only reason I mention this is, we are starting out with
a nice, clean Archive and, if we are all aware, we can keep it
that way. We messed ours up a bit on the other list because
in the begining we didn't know better.

The Archive on egroups is one of the best on the web and
can also be accessed through listquest.com

Jack A2
86 Sunrader(pop up)

Jack A2

I found a 79 sunrader in really good shape for 1,800 here in
Arkansas. I already own a 79 Sunrader and a 77 chinook. My wife sais
that if I buy another she will kill me in my sleep (grin). If anyone
is interested I will give you the info. Really enjoyeeing this sight,
it is nice to see I am not the only one with this obsession.

Benton

Nate sez,

Do you guys know of any other sites where I might find toyota owners. I

want

to make as many people aware of this site as possible.
Thanks,
Nate

RV-T has been covered by JackA2, so skip that one Nate. Freeroaders
on egroups might be a good bet...it is a good sized list.
And...a Happy New year to ya fellah...

Paul/Calif in a 22 ft, 83 Phoenix 4-banger

I received an Atlas and some other camping supplies for Christmas and I'm ready to hit the open road. I live in Ohio and it is about 2 degrees outside with snow, so my mind tends start wondering. Is anybody else ready to travel. My toyota is in the driveway calling me to start traveling.
Nate