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Well I wonder if I am going to be facing the same thing as I am in the process of replacing the axle in my 85 Huntsman 4spd with a 91 floating out of a 5spd, v6?

George in Arkansas

From: "Jack Redman" <jack_redman@...>
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Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:00:42

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From: Michael Smith <msmith@...>
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Subject: Re: [toyota-campers] Re: Another note about axle changes
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:56:16 -0700

No I didn't change back to a 3.9 ratio. During my trip I decided I would
put
in a 5 speed tranny. I thought that would be the better fix. I was trying
to
really restore my rig to showroom condition untill I got all busted up

buy

the drunk who hit me. I'm in insurance company limbo at this point.

I don't know if you could take the large gear out of bad rear end and put
it
in the true 1 ton.

Could one of the more knowledgeable mechanics on the list post the name

of

that large gear. I want to say pinion gear but I think that's wrong.

Michael Smith






jacka2@... wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@y..., Michael Smith <msmith@s...> wrote:

I changed the axle in my rig from the bad one to the good one. The

bad one had

a gear ratio of 3.9 to 1 or in other words it took 3.9 revolutions

of the

engine to make one revolution of the wheels. The new axle had a gear

ratio of

4.1 to 1. My rig had a 4 speed in it. After the change I found my

top speed

was about 58 miles per hour. I was able to get up to 60 but she was

really top

ended at that speed, petal to the floor. In my humble opinion you

really need

a 5 speed transmission if you put a 4.1 to 1 rear end and axle in.

Or you

could change the gear in the one ton rear end to a 3.9 or there

abouts. I did

a speedometer check, my speedometer was dead on.

Thanks to the person who e-mailed me a lead on a Sunrader for sale

in Las

Vegas. It had a million miles on it so I passed it up. I'm still

looking and

getting less picky as time goes on.

Michael Smith

Michael.

Did you change the good one's gears back to 3.9:
and did the gears from the bad one fit the good
one?

If you changed them over, how does it drive now?

Jack A2

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Andrew,

I like the fact the rig you are looking at is an 85. It should have fuel
injection. The 5 speed, in my opinion is the best way to pull these rigs
down the road. The standard warning on buying a Toyota RV of this vintige
applys. Make sure it has the true one ton axle. I'd like to tell you to just
count the rear lug nuts. If you have six you have the true one ton. That is
the case in everyone I have seen so far but I wouldn't want to tell you
beyond any doubt that some company didn't make a phony dual fix with six
lugs. We really should have pictures of both in our archives somewhere but
we don't yet.

A fiberglass body is a plus. Check for water damage. Go thru all the systems
(plumbing, electrical, heating, cooling) I would think with a price that low
some repairs are likely. Rusted out cab isn't easy to fix so check well for
rust out. If it has the bad axle on it it's about $2000 and a bunch of
hustling a wrecked one to make the fix. Just about all of them have a
sleeping area above the cab. Do you have a picture you could post?

If you decide against buying it let us know why and where the rig is.

All the Best,

Michael Smith

westeren@... wrote:

HeHeHe, just call me fumble fingers....

Jack R


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Jack R

From: Michael Smith <msmith@...>
Reply-To: toyota-campers@...
To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: Re: [toyota-campers] Re: Another note about axle changes
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:56:16 -0700

No I didn't change back to a 3.9 ratio. During my trip I decided I would put
in a 5 speed tranny. I thought that would be the better fix. I was trying to
really restore my rig to showroom condition untill I got all busted up buy
the drunk who hit me. I'm in insurance company limbo at this point.

I don't know if you could take the large gear out of bad rear end and put it
in the true 1 ton.

Could one of the more knowledgeable mechanics on the list post the name of
that large gear. I want to say pinion gear but I think that's wrong.

Michael Smith






jacka2@... wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@y..., Michael Smith <msmith@s...> wrote:

I changed the axle in my rig from the bad one to the good one. The

bad one had

a gear ratio of 3.9 to 1 or in other words it took 3.9 revolutions

of the

engine to make one revolution of the wheels. The new axle had a gear

ratio of

4.1 to 1. My rig had a 4 speed in it. After the change I found my

top speed

was about 58 miles per hour. I was able to get up to 60 but she was

really top

ended at that speed, petal to the floor. In my humble opinion you

really need

a 5 speed transmission if you put a 4.1 to 1 rear end and axle in.

Or you

could change the gear in the one ton rear end to a 3.9 or there

abouts. I did

a speedometer check, my speedometer was dead on.

Thanks to the person who e-mailed me a lead on a Sunrader for sale

in Las

Vegas. It had a million miles on it so I passed it up. I'm still

looking and

getting less picky as time goes on.

Michael Smith

Michael.

Did you change the good one's gears back to 3.9:
and did the gears from the bad one fit the good
one?

If you changed them over, how does it drive now?

Jack A2

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From: Michael Smith <msmith@...>
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To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: Re: [toyota-campers] Re: Another note about axle changes
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:56:16 -0700

No I didn't change back to a 3.9 ratio. During my trip I decided I would put
in a 5 speed tranny. I thought that would be the better fix. I was trying to
really restore my rig to showroom condition untill I got all busted up buy
the drunk who hit me. I'm in insurance company limbo at this point.

I don't know if you could take the large gear out of bad rear end and put it
in the true 1 ton.

Could one of the more knowledgeable mechanics on the list post the name of
that large gear. I want to say pinion gear but I think that's wrong.

Michael Smith






jacka2@... wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@y..., Michael Smith <msmith@s...> wrote:

I changed the axle in my rig from the bad one to the good one. The

bad one had

a gear ratio of 3.9 to 1 or in other words it took 3.9 revolutions

of the

engine to make one revolution of the wheels. The new axle had a gear

ratio of

4.1 to 1. My rig had a 4 speed in it. After the change I found my

top speed

was about 58 miles per hour. I was able to get up to 60 but she was

really top

ended at that speed, petal to the floor. In my humble opinion you

really need

a 5 speed transmission if you put a 4.1 to 1 rear end and axle in.

Or you

could change the gear in the one ton rear end to a 3.9 or there

abouts. I did

a speedometer check, my speedometer was dead on.

Thanks to the person who e-mailed me a lead on a Sunrader for sale

in Las

Vegas. It had a million miles on it so I passed it up. I'm still

looking and

getting less picky as time goes on.

Michael Smith

Michael.

Did you change the good one's gears back to 3.9:
and did the gears from the bad one fit the good
one?

If you changed them over, how does it drive now?

Jack A2

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No I didn't change back to a 3.9 ratio. During my trip I decided I would put
in a 5 speed tranny. I thought that would be the better fix. I was trying to
really restore my rig to showroom condition untill I got all busted up buy
the drunk who hit me. I'm in insurance company limbo at this point.

I don't know if you could take the large gear out of bad rear end and put it
in the true 1 ton.

Could one of the more knowledgeable mechanics on the list post the name of
that large gear. I want to say pinion gear but I think that's wrong.

Michael Smith






jacka2@... wrote:

--- In toyota-campers@y..., westeren@e... wrote:

I'm thinking about my first toyota rv. There is a motorhome
dealer here in Minnesota that has a 1985 toyota for sale. It's got
the 4cyc engine and 5 speed manual 56,000 miles on it also. I don't
know much about toyotas or motorhomes. I do have mechanical ability
so thats not the issue, but I don't know what to look for in a used
motorhome. I am unsure of the make of the conversion as I have not
looked at it yet (only in pictures). I want to arm myself with as
much information as I can before I go check it out becouse it is
about 200 miles away from my home. I do know it is the style that
has the sleeping area over the cab (larger model?) and they
advertised the price at $5,000, but when I called they had it at
$3,000. Any help would be great! Your site is a god-send!

Andrew Westeren
Pine City, MN

Andrew.

Start out by reading our Achives. Note carefully
the posts on the one ton axles. (Example: The
rear wheels must have 6 lugs to be safe.) Then
post your questions to the list. But read first.

The Achives are at the top of the messages page
on the main page of the Toyota-Campers site.

Jack A2.

--- In toyota-campers@y..., Michael Smith <msmith@s...> wrote:

I changed the axle in my rig from the bad one to the good one. The

bad one had

a gear ratio of 3.9 to 1 or in other words it took 3.9 revolutions

of the

engine to make one revolution of the wheels. The new axle had a gear

ratio of

4.1 to 1. My rig had a 4 speed in it. After the change I found my

top speed

was about 58 miles per hour. I was able to get up to 60 but she was

really top

ended at that speed, petal to the floor. In my humble opinion you

really need

a 5 speed transmission if you put a 4.1 to 1 rear end and axle in.

Or you

could change the gear in the one ton rear end to a 3.9 or there

abouts. I did

a speedometer check, my speedometer was dead on.

Thanks to the person who e-mailed me a lead on a Sunrader for sale

in Las

Vegas. It had a million miles on it so I passed it up. I'm still

looking and

getting less picky as time goes on.

Michael Smith

Michael.

Did you change the good one's gears back to 3.9:
and did the gears from the bad one fit the good
one?

If you changed them over, how does it drive now?

Jack A2

I'm thinking about my first toyota rv. There is a motorhome
dealer here in Minnesota that has a 1985 toyota for sale. It's got
the 4cyc engine and 5 speed manual 56,000 miles on it also. I don't
know much about toyotas or motorhomes. I do have mechanical ability
so thats not the issue, but I don't know what to look for in a used
motorhome. I am unsure of the make of the conversion as I have not
looked at it yet (only in pictures). I want to arm myself with as
much information as I can before I go check it out becouse it is
about 200 miles away from my home. I do know it is the style that
has the sleeping area over the cab (larger model?) and they
advertised the price at $5,000, but when I called they had it at
$3,000. Any help would be great! Your site is a god-send!

Andrew Westeren
Pine City, MN

Thanks,

Michael Smith

Dick Rettke wrote:

?

I changed the axle in my rig from the bad one to the good one. The bad one had a gear ratio of 3.9 to 1 or in other words it took 3.9 revolutions of the engine to make one revolution of the wheels. The new axle had a gear ratio of 4.1 to 1. My rig had a 4 speed in it. After the change I found my top speed was about 58 miles per hour. I was able to get up to 60 but she was really top ended at that speed, petal to the floor. In my humble opinion you really need a 5 speed transmission if you put a 4.1 to 1 rear end and axle in. Or you could change the gear in the one ton rear end to a 3.9 or there abouts. I did a speedometer check, my speedometer was dead on.

Thanks to the person who e-mailed me a lead on a Sunrader for sale in Las Vegas. It had a million miles on it so I passed it up. I'm still looking and getting less picky as time goes on.

Michael Smith

TommyZ writes:

this thing has it looks like just a plain rear end..with 2 duel
wheels bolted together..

I saw something today, another Toyota rig, but with an extra *tag*
axle behind. It still looked overloaded, with the front end obviously
elevated. It was parked, so I had time to look it over.
The thing that struck me most was that the tag axle was about
where my duals are located on my rig. It had hubcaps all around so
I couldn't tell if the driving duals were on a 1-ton rear axle.
My rig, a '83 Phoenix by Santana, has a *stretched* chassis frame
in addition to the 1-ton axle. You've got to get dirty to slide under the
rig to see what the coach mfr did to make his marriage to the Toyota
chassis a viable one. (Ignorant me lucked out when buying my rig.)
Just the 1-ton axle fix alone ain't gonna cut it on heavier or longer
(say, on a 22 foot rig) coaches !!!!

Paul/Calif

Dick:

It looks like your computer's system clock is set to the year 2000 instead of
2001. I noticed this on all messages you sent out. You can check/adjust it by
double-clicking on the time readout on Windows. If your date is right, then
check with your ISP's mail forwarder.

Regards,

Rod

Dick Rettke wrote:

Hi Ed, Glad to hear that the overdrive is working now. It is hard to
believe that taking a factory part OFF actually fixes it, but it
does, and at no cost. By the way, my override switch still works on
my unit, even with the o-ring removed.

Thanks for the info on the temp sending device.

Jack R

--- In toyota-campers@y..., "Dick Rettke" <dickrtke@c...> wrote:

I just had the oil changed and they used a NAPA oil filter{?} do you

know

anything about this kind. Also had the back brakes checked, my guy

says

they are ok. Although I found some "white oily liquid" on the

driveway

dripping from the front of the engine, my guys says there do not

seem to be

any leaks in the power steering or any place else. Next? I will put

the

cardboard under the unit, and see if we can get an id point or too.

Any

other ideas? Oh, he changed the plugs, said that they where junk!

Seems we

are ready to roll in WI.
-=dr=-
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From: <jacka2@e...>
To: <toyota-campers@y...>

Dick.

As far as I know only the VW and the Toyota
filters have check valves. If your chain or
valves aren't rattling go ahead and make your
trip then put in a Toyota next oil change.

I wonder if they put in the right plugs?
IF you have the 22RE ,the book calls
for NGK BRP5EY or Nippondenso W16EXR-U

Jack A2

Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:29 PM
Subject: [toyota-campers] Use Toyota oil filters only.

Toyota dealer filters have a check valve
to stop the oil from running back down in-
to the pan when the engine is shut off.
On start up oil is instantly supplyed to
the valves and timing chain.

Cheap after market filters, especially "Fram"
and the ones supplyed by the quick oil change
houses, do not have these check valves and
will cause excessive wear on your engine during
cold start ups. (Even worse for RVs that set
for long periods.)

If you must use the quick change shop, bring
you own Toyota filter and have them install it.

Jack A2

PS the Toyota oil filter only costs $3 more
than the cheapy.


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--- In toyota-campers@y..., theeagle@k... wrote:

Dick,
Are you thawed out in Wisconsin yet? It sounds like your getting

your Toyota ready for some traveling. Using the cardboard under the
unit is a good idea in locating your drip. Regarding oil filters, no
one in my family of five Toyota camper owners have used a Toyota oil
filter and we have never had any engine problems related to oil and
all of our units have around 100,000 miles or more. We all use the
cheap Fram or whichever brand is on sale. I am sure, like Jack says,
the Toyota filter has a check valve, which keeps oil from staying in
the filter when the engine is off. It is also true that campers
usually go longer between starts than cars, so this could help. I use
oil additives like (Dura-Lube, Skick 50, Prolong, or Motor-Up) every
30-50k miles. They are designed to protect against cold starts. Have
been very satisfied with these products. I am not an expert, these are
just my opinions.

That is what is great about this site, you can get different

thoughts and advice, and decide what works best for you. If you feel
more comfortable having a Toyota oil filter then it is worth the extra
$3. I just want to let you know that some of us get by with out them.

Happy Trails,
Nate

Nate.

Your reply on the Fram oil filters ($2.50 at Wal-Mart) is
like the old man who smoked 3 packs a day and lived to be
99. Some get away with it most don't.

My statment on OEM oil filters stands, and is echoed on
other Toyota lists.

I have had pesonal experience with severe valve lifter
problems on start up, which were solved by replacing a
Fram with an OEM unit on my Vanagon. Others on the
Vanagon list had the same result and it was damatic.
We researched and found that it was the check valves in
the VW, OEM filters that made such a big difference.


In my research on V-6'S I read a lot of Toyota lists, and
they were adamant about their use of Toyota filters only,
and talked about "check valves" After my experence, I
had no reason to doubt them, and thus I posted this.

Jack A2

Dick,
Are you thawed out in Wisconsin yet? It sounds like your getting your Toyota ready for some traveling. Using the cardboard under the unit is a good idea in locating your drip. Regarding oil filters, no one in my family of five Toyota camper owners have used a Toyota oil filter and we have never had any engine problems related to oil and all of our units have around 100,000 miles or more. We all use the cheap Fram or whichever brand is on sale. I am sure, like Jack says, the Toyota filter has a check valve, which keeps oil from staying in the filter when the engine is off. It is also true that campers usually go longer between starts than cars, so this could help. I use oil additives like (Dura-Lube, Skick 50, Prolong, or Motor-Up) every 30-50k miles. They are designed to protect against cold starts. Have been very satisfied with these products. I am not an expert, these are just my opinions.

That is what is great about this site, you can get different thoughts and advice, and decide what works best for you. If you feel more comfortable having a Toyota oil filter then it is worth the extra $3. I just want to let you know that some of us get by with out them.

Happy Trails,
Nate

Owen,
It sounds you got a pretty nice unit. Welcome to the Toyota camper family! I have traveled up through the New England states a few times. The last time was two summers ago. We went from Ohio through Upstate NY (Cooperstown, Ft. Ticonderoga) and Vermont (Lake Champlain), New Hampshire, Maine (Acadia N.P.), Massachusetts (Salem, Boston). Great trip with lots of great scenerey! If you go to Boston watch for the tunnells. Have a great trip and if you have any more questions feel free to ask our group!
Happy Trails,
Nate

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Hi Nate,

I own a 1987 (1986 Toyota chassis with everything else being a 1987
Granville RV) with a 22RE engine Fuel Injected, Automatic w/OverDrive,
21ft, 70,000 miles, 1-ton axel (4 tires on 1 axel).....we just bought
it for $5500....we are very happy....now for the layout:

door on the passenger side between the rear and front axel (i would
love to see the door behind the rear axel as you said that you looked
at) and as you walk in (up 2 steps) couch straight ahead with a
captain's chair immediately to the left....sleeping above the driver
and passenger seats up front....as you go to the rear of the rv the
sink and stove/oven is on the left (next to the captain's chair) and
the fridge/freezer is accross from the oven (with a microwave next to
the fridge....you pass through a door (just past the oven) to the very
back of the rv where straight ahead is the toilet, shower to the right
and storage to the left.......

wish i could draw a map, words fail me sometimes.....oh well,
hopefully you get the picture....we are traveling east sometime this
year (gaspe penninsula, maine, new hampshire and vermont....maybe a
little upstate new york....)

happy traveling....owen