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Re: Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810

 

Chris, the owner of this truck and RV repair been in business since 1960,

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called me today to report he found two 22R used engines.?

1.?? ?104,215 miles used engine for $2400.?

2.?? ?127,000 miles used engine for $1900.?

I bought this Sunrader Shorty with 110,000 miles on it year 2000.?

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Chris said he has 1 acre lot and the mechanics who know such old things as mine, and so he charges $175/hr labor to install.? He will give me 10% senior discount on the parts OR labor, which ever is the GREATER price.?

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When I told him people in my Toyota Motorhome forum of 5000 members, said they found 22R engines for $350, he said there are a lot of our Toyota motorhomes still out there, and so the demand for these scarce engines get the price that he is quoting (over $2000 for used) and they sell in a day or two.? Do you think that is true?? I don’t think a 22R will sit on the shelf for more than 3 weeks, even that 155,000 miles one costing $2000.

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I looked at JDM?California and San Diego, but they don't have anything "that OLD".? I need to weigh the price of a remanufactured engine, vs a used engine.? If the used ones are gonna cost $2000, as I have been quoted so far, how much is a remanufactured engine???? I assume the business that found the engine, won’t let me have it, tell me where it is, or tell me how to acquire it, unless I agree to letting them do the labor to install it.?? Isn’t that the way it goes??

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Julia - Scottsdale, AZ


Re: Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810

 

To piggy back off this issue, I find that no matter what the repair might be, I can't find a shop that wants to work on my rig (1987 Sunrader). It would be a huge benefit to Toyota camper owners, if there was a directory of shops in cities or states of the members of the site. I live in Tampa, Fl and will add listings, if and when I use them. We could also give a rating and post comments. If this already exists, forgive my ignorance and point me to the list. If not, can a list be created that each person can contribute?


On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 12:20 PM Linda S via <fly12fire=[email protected]> wrote:
I just talked to Rudy at California Mini Truck.?
He has a rebuilt engine and he can do the install for about $5000 total.
This place has been around since the 70's and has been the go-to place for parts for our rigs for a very long time.?
A long tow but I think it would be worth it. He said he could have it done in about 3 or 4 days.?
Better tell him your girlfriend called for you cause he's going to know you're not me. He knows it's a Sunrader not just a truck. He had no problem with that
Linda S


Re: Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810

 

I just talked to Rudy at California Mini Truck.?
He has a rebuilt engine and he can do the install for about $5000 total.
This place has been around since the 70's and has been the go-to place for parts for our rigs for a very long time.?
A long tow but I think it would be worth it. He said he could have it done in about 3 or 4 days.?
Better tell him your girlfriend called for you cause he's going to know you're not me. He knows it's a Sunrader not just a truck. He had no problem with that
Linda S


Re: Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810

 

Unfortunately, I think your situation is caught up in a complex web of factors including:
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--General price inflation
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--The "flat rate" compensation system in the auto repair industry reaching a breaking point
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--You being older and woman (It really ***sucks*** that some shops try to take advantage of that, but they do)
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But you are armed with some information. You have a quote of 8 hours labor. You have a (ridiculous) quote of $1999
for the engine itself. You've found prices on used engines. You can use this information to negotiate.
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You can go to a shop and say, "Here's what I was quoted. The 8 hours of labor may be reasonable. The $1999 for
the engine when they're $325 retail is outrageous. What would YOU charge for this job?"
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This is going to take some leg work. It would help if you can marshal whatever resources you can to narrow
down the possibilities (friends, family, Facebook, NextDoor, Better Business Bureau, etc.).
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There are SOME decent honest shops out there. Demand for auto repairs is such even ethical businesses can
be profitable. But finding them can be daunting.
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Good luck.
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Buzz L.
San Jose, CA
Former '86 Dolphin, '89 HiLux, and '96 Tacoma owner


Re: Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810

 

I have rebuilt and replaced several motors and I would advise you to not chance rebuilding this motor a second time. I had a similar experience with a motor that overheated really bad and I took a chance and tried to rebuild it and it only lasted 40,000 miles which is not much.
Here in San Antonio we have some large junk yards and a used motor would be $325. I have bought a couple used motors and they worked out good for me because I know what I'm doing and what to look for.?
Maybe it's time for you to cut your losses and get rid of this RV? I know that's not what you want to do but it might be best for you.?
In my opinion the best used motor you can buy is a Toyota JDM motor. I have purchased one so far and it looks really good but of course they are also really expensive for used motors and I don't know if they would have the model you require and then you would have to pay for installation which is a simple job but there are a lot of mechanics just waiting to rip off women like you and I've seen it so many times.
Good luck Julia


Need 22R Engine replacement for my 1982 Sunrader JTRN44DOC0052810

 

Last Nov 2023, I overheated my 1982 Toyota Sunrader I owned for 24 years.? Of course no brick and mortar shop would deal with something so tall and old, so finally a mobile mechanic named Will came to my driveway in San Diego.? Will determined it was a blown head gasket ?and said he would charged me $1500 to fix it.? I paid Will $700 down that he asked for, and he did get the cylinder head remachined, but the engine was already rebuilt 50K miles before.? So being that there wasn’t much room to grind, the machinest sold the mechanic a “thicker head gasket”.?

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After putting it on, Will called me Christmas Eve and said that tomorrow he would put the rest of the parts on and then take it for a test drive.? But before doing so, he “asked me a favor”.? He had earlier told me that he was living out of San Diego hotels at $225 - $325/night because he was staying with his best friend, a married woman, and her husband got jealous and kicked him out. ?Well now, Christmas Eve, he claimed he lost his debit card, therefore had no way to get a bed for the next two nights. So Will asked if I could advance him $400 for a hotel for the next two nights, till his bank would open to replace his debit card.

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? ?Being that Christmas was on Monday that year, and he had solid 5 Yelp stars, my kind-hearted soul got scammed into letting him charge my credit card for another $400 to buy him a bed for Christmas. ?So now I was out $1100.? He abandoned the job, never came back, and long story short when the credit card dispute asked that I send them a “second opinion from another mechanic”, I found out why Will abandoned the job.? He had always promised me that the engine below was not damaged “I know it isn’t ! I worked for an engine rebuilder for 5 years and I know!? Only the head gasket was blown” (I saw the piece was missing between cylinders 3 and 4).?

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Well the second opinion mobile mechanic did a compression test that showed 30 in two cylinders and 60 in the other two.? I realized at that moment when Will did his own compression test on Christmas Eve and saw the hopeless numbers, he came up with the scheme to scam this old gullible senior woman for another $400.?

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The credit card dispute did get me back the $1100.? But here we are today.? Due to putting out other fires in my life, I haven’t dealt with getting my engine replaced till now, a full year later.

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Yesterday, a local tire shop that a body shop referred me to

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found a used 22R engine for me located in LA with 155,000 miles on it for $1999, plus they quoted 8 hours labor at $150/hour to install it, totaling $3200, excluding water pump or other parts, as they have not seen my vehicle to determine other replacement needs.? Unlike other shops, the tire shop has a large lot and outdoor area to store my Sunrader.

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My VIN is JTRN44DOC0052810 , 5 spd manual trans (I changed the 4 spd to 5 spd). The engine was rebuilt before at 120K and now has 173K miles on it.? I googled Toyota 22R for sale, and come up with numerous findings for new or remanuf engines for cheaper than that used one for $2000.? An RV repair place told me about a rebuilt one for $500 or I heard of used engines for $350 are the prices people are throwing at me.? So $1999 for a used engine that? has 155,000 miles on it sounds outrageous.? Last year, when I was looking for a used engine, the reviews for the businesses selling them all had 1 star ratings, reviews described such horrible experiences in great detail, I was too afraid to do business with them, and even told them so on the phone.??

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Last year, two mechanics quoted me $5000 and $6000 to install a remanufactured engine they provide.? Later other people told me a used engine is so much cheaper.

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I don’t know what to do, and I don’t have any experience with engine replacements and what are rip off prices and what are fair prices .? I just want to get my Sunrader going so I could enjoy it.? People told me it is too risky and full of unknown issues when you rebuild an engine that has been rebuilt before.? Everyone I told this to, said "That is true".? Like already the cylinder head barely had enough room to be smoothed, so a thicker gasket had to be sold to Will.? Another mechanic said, "The thicker gasket is a red flag already!"? ?When people tell me comments like that, I feel so confused and can't take action, cos I know NOTHING.??

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Any help or feedback where to get another engine would be appreciated.?

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Location of the disabled Sunrader is La Jolla, CA? 92037

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Julia - Scottsdale, AZ


Re: Gas fumes

 

Ken, Check your fuel lines, both the filler and the breather lines.? They come up from the tank through the floor and under the dinette seat behind the cab passenger side.? Mine breather line had chaffed on a clamp just below the floor and fumes entered the camper to the point I could smell it.? I had to replace the breather line.? I don't recall, but I think you can replace it with a 5/8" fuel line.? I also made sure that at attachment points, I wrapped the fuel line with rubber (I used the?old fuel line)? to prevent chaffing?in the future. I hope your issue is as simple as mine to resolve.
Doug

On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 2:40?PM KCStuff via <kstuff44=[email protected]> wrote:
We are smelling gas in the cab of our 87 Toyota Dolphin. No apparent leaks. Is there a ‘common’ cause? Something I should check?
?Thanks Ken?


Re: Front hub cap

 
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The originals are not easy to come by, however, ones like this are more common on eBay and will also work with a bit of electrical tape to keep them snug.?


Front hub cap

 

Lost a front hub cap on our 87 Dolphin. Is there a good source for a replacement? 5.5” diameter.
?Thanks Ken?


Gas fumes

 

We are smelling gas in the cab of our 87 Toyota Dolphin. No apparent leaks. Is there a ‘common’ cause? Something I should check?
?Thanks Ken?


Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

Happy Thanksgiving to you Tika


On Wed, Nov 27, 2024, 7:53 PM Tika via <tika_ee=[email protected]> wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!? Is anybody camping this holiday weekend?


Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

Only camping out in my kitchen doin' the work! Happy Thanksgiving to all of y'all!
Sue Crowe


Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

We are very jealous, have fun!


On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 8:37?AM DaveM via <davemisunas=[email protected]> wrote:
We will be RVing in ? Palm Springs CA.
Best to you all during this Thanksgiving!?
Dave and Nada
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Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

Happy Thanksgiving Weekend to everyone!


Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

We will be RVing in ? Palm Springs CA.
Best to you all during this Thanksgiving!?
Dave and Nada
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Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

Happy thanksgiving to you too.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 8:53?PM Tika via <tika_ee=[email protected]> wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!? Is anybody camping this holiday weekend?


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Chuck Bridges


Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

 

Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone! ?Is anybody camping this holiday weekend?


Re: It started - then, just won’t…

 

Hello Tom, you should start a journal section of the toyota site, and share your thoughts more often, there's lots of younger rvs than yours, (and younger people people out?there than us), but experience and the gift for telling a story never get old.? Keep on truckin'-


On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 12:44?PM Tom L via <tomlonthego66=[email protected]> wrote:
After starting our 1987 Toyota Sunrader today a number of times, on our last stop at the grocery store, it wouldn’t start.? Fortunately, it was within walking distance of home, to get our car and our groceries home and have supper. ?
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All startup sounds are the same, and all the instrument lights show bright.? But, nothing from the starter.? What is heard is a single click from this attached electrical device.? Turn the key to start - one click.? The same each retry.? Any ideas?
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We bought this Sunrader 13 years ago on 11/1/11.? And when I bought it, I never had the idea of not using it.? I thought we would always enjoy traveling with it.? But our last trip with it was in June 2023, and that was just for three days.? I start it every three months, drive it around to exercise the tires, but time hasn’t allowed for doing more with it.
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On 2/23/23, our Grand Girl was born and started living with us.? And that is where our time is being well spent.? My birthday is June 23rd, so each month on the 23rd, we celebrate our birth days.? She was just 20 months of age and on the same day, I was 952 months of age.? In other words, 79+.
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And it is age though, that has me now thinking of letting somebody else use the Sunrader, for we aren’t getting around to it.? Yet when it started right off today, I couldn't help by think, well if it still has get up and go, maybe I can keep up with it.? The 22RE has an age of only 59,000 miles.? I realize I don’t have such longevity.
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Such thoughts were with me as I drove it around today, pleased again that it started right up.? Though we were just driving errands around town, moving along with it - I was moved, like the pleasing experience of being on the road again.? Got it filled with gas, Sta-Bil in it and the cover ready to shelter it from the winter rains.? I just got to get it home.? Tom


Re: It started - then, just won’t…

 

right. just depends on where the click is coming from
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Re: It started - then, just won’t…

 

This has the Denso starter, a common problem occurs after many years, the starter solenoid contacts wear out and then all you get is a click. Repair kits are available or just replace the starter.
Aaron from Colorado