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Re: Scary ineffective lousy brakes on 1986 NIssan D21 Hardbody Sunrader

 

This is about what Roy Vannoy said here about his Nissan Sunrader Shorty's brakes.? I bought a 1986 18 foot Nissan Sunrader Aug 2022.? The brakes are sooooo like I don't have brakes.? I have to pull back on the steering wheel and step down on brake HARD, to get Sunrader to stop.? One time I was trying to stop on a steep downhill, and put all my body weight down on the brake pedal, and "not much stopping was happening".? I almost rear ended car waiting at stop sign at bottom of the hill.

? I am almost afraid to drive that Sunrader, cos the brake pedal doesn't have much effect.? People who don't know these ToyHomes say "it is the weight of the camper".? No not true.? My same Toyota 18 foot Sunrader stops on a dime with little pressure on the brake.? One time I got a red light running ticket (photo) because the light turned yellow and I hesitated too long, knowing that if I stopped, all my groceries I just bought for camping would be rolling all over the floor, cos it stops so suddenly.? So, I got a red light running ticket for my indecision!? But I got out of it, AZ requires personal service by human, and I proved to the judge, they served wrong person in another state.??

I don't know what is the cause of my Nissan Sunrader brakes requiring so much pressure and effort to stop the vehicle, like Roy seems to know about his Sunrader "strong front, weak rear".? See what Roy wrote below.

?I am assuming poor braking power is a design that comes with Nissan D21 Hardbody brakes not being as effective as Toyota brakes, because I own same Sunrader (1982)on Toyota chassis that stops SO GOOD, THE WHOLE RV PITCHES FORWARD, when I step lightly on the brake!

?It is hard to get some mechanic to resolve this, when they do not know how Nissan is SUPPOSED TO BRAKE!? Anyone here know? I don't know either, I only know my Toyota HAS OPPOSITE BRAKING, so instantly effective, that RV lurches forward.? ? Julia?
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Re: Rear Brakes?
From:?roy vannoy
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 04:07:25 PST
Robert keep us posted, I have had the same issues with my brakes since I have owned 18 Nissan Sunrader. Lots of front braking, weak rear. I order all my parts from Rock Auto all fit except the rear brakes shoes. My shoes were to big, I kept them for reference. I'm Still looking for a set of new shoes. My Nissan did not have a proportion valve when I bought it, don't know if it ever came with one. I'm hoping the new shoes will help.?

Roy is responding to what Robert Himler said on Nov 13:
I am sort of leaning towards glazed brake shoes, thus wanting to replace them with something better than stock, or stock parts. Also gutting, or totally replacing the proportioner valve with a tee fitting. New cylinders, hoses, steel brake lines.?

Locking up the rear end vs locking up the front end? I will take "Neither for $200 Alex"... I would be fine with locking both ends at the same pedal pressure because my foot can control that situation......
See more by going to that date on this forum.





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Julia - Scottsdale, AZ


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

awful lot of toyota camrys out there. many had shim adjust valves
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rz


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

Having burned more than a few valves on off road dirt bikes... I can say that having poor compression... Is a bit too late in the game. By that time the valve seats or heads are toast, it's too late to adjust them. Keep that air cleaner clean! All of my 4 22R Toyotas and 5 Honda motorcycles are overhead cam, screw and locknut adjustable, by the owner. No shims . So far it seems that no auto shop has any real world experience in doing a shim adjustment for the V6 engine. Search until you find one. You shouldn't have to pull more than the cylinder heads, at most.


Re: Where to find 21" long Sunrader tail light replacements

 

Hi RZ, in a previous post I showed how you covered up the rectangular hole in the backside of the coach body where the old taillights were. By using a piece of plexiglass. In my case, and the original person asking about replacing the taillights, we both had fiberglass Sunrader's. So I left the original holes in the sunrader body alone and bored the plexiglass cover plate holes a little larger than the screws . The new LED lights then fasten on to the plexiglass cover plate.


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

Sue,
This is not you you want to hear, but when I burned a valve in my winnie, those where the two codes that I was getting. To rich & too lean. I found my issue with a compression test. 2 cylinders were really low...like 30psi.
I just had an inexpensive screw in compression tester. If you have a friend that is even a little mechanically inclined, its not hard to take out a spark plug, screw in the compression tester and crank the engine. Check the reading on the tester. Unscrew it, replace the spark plug and move to the next plug and repeat the process for all 6. This may not be the "proper" way to get the "true" reading, but you want consistency. For example if the 1st three cylinders come in close to each other, say 110, 120, 115....then the 4th one comes in at 30, then you have a problem. If they are all similar than you have some other issue. Make sense??
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JohnJab01


Re: Where to find 21" long Sunrader tail light replacements

 

the hole is bigger than the screw?? how does it hold.? ?or do you mean to use a machine screw with nut
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rz


Re: Where to find 21" long Sunrader tail light replacements

 

Hi Julia, Here is an all in one unit, Tail, Brake, Turn and Backup, you would only need a pair to do everything. Check out their video, the turn signals strobe! Currently $30 minus 25% off. You could mount these way out to the edges of your rig to give more clearance for your kayak .

These are the ones I got that dont have a backup light and required two pairs, $21 less 10% coupon per pair (I wired in two LED spotlights separately angled to the rear and sides for those late night backups in the woods...


NOTE: When drilling mounting holes in the plexiglass cover use a sharp bit, don't apply too much pressure, and drill the holes slightly oversized of the screws. Otherwise you might get plexiglass cracking at the holes.


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

The dealer was mistaken to claim “that little rubber bits around the
valves would tear up during the adjustment, and it would kill the valve”??

There are no rubber parts anywhere in the vicinity of the valve?
adjusting mechanism that could be torn up.??This short video?
shows exactly how?the old valve shim is removed and a new?
thinner one is installed on the same 3VZ-E engine you have?
(notice no rubber parts are involved)


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

lean rich can happen with fowled plugs caused by dirty injectors
low compression caused by tight valve doesn't mean new engine
little rubber bits is bull.? i think he doesn't want the job
if a valve is tight it needs adjustment- miles not withstanding
? ?so compression check can point to a tight valve, but doesn't show the one that's on the verge? of being too tight causing compression loss
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rz


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

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I hope they didn’t screw up the tune up. These are the only two spark
plugs that should be installed in the V6 (although equivalent NGK brand
nickel (not platinum) plugs could also work):

They are both factory original Denso’s and come pre-gapped so?
no adjustment needed.? The red and white box ones are purchased?
from Toyota dealers. The blue and white box ones can be ordered?
from auto parts stores. ?If the wrong plugs were installed or physically
damaged during installation it’s possible the check engine light might?
come on.

It’s only partially true that “if a valve had low compression, it would?
need a new engine instead of shims.”? True only if a cylinder had?
zero compression, but if around 75-150 PSI then a thinner shim?
can often fix the low compression as was demonstrated at the 1:10?
mark in this video:?
?

All your six intake valves?and even some of your six exhaust?
valves likely still have correct valve clearances?even though?
no one ever checked and adjusted them.

But there are two or three exhaust valves?that may now have overly?
tight clearances which in turn can cause low compression numbers on?
those cylinders.? Thus if the Toyota dealer did the $300 compression?
test and all six cylinders had good compression it would be safe to?
assume all the six exhaust valve clearances on the engine are still?
within spec or close to it.?

Bottom line is everyone you have dealt with so far seems to be only
semi-competent. ?The Toyota dealer mistakenly told you the valve?
clearances cannot be adjusted because the engine is old. And?
your local guy who says he doesn’t know how to adjust them. ?

Now the big question is: Can either your dealer or the local guy?
perform a compression test competently and honestly?

Paul Cherubini


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 01:36 PM, drscrowe wrote:
if a valve had low compression, it would need a new engine instead of shims. The reasoning was that little rubber bits around the valves would tear up during the adjustment, and it would kill the valve and you'd be back to engine replacement anyhow.

This does not make mechanical sense. Maybe there was a miscommunication along the way?

I can imagine if they find low compression and find it's due to a valve or valve seat that has been damaged by lack of adjustment, then they'd rather just
replace the whole engine rather than removing the cylinder head(s) and having a "valve job" done on them.

Perhaps that's what they meant to communicate.

The valve adjustment itself (if done properly) will not harm the engine in any way.? But it is expensive and cannot correct any
damage that may have already been done.

It's too bad your mechanic didn't do the compression test while he was changing the spark plugs. That would have been the opportune time.

Good luck,

Buzz L.
Phoenix, AZ
Former '86 Dolphin 500 owner


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

Update:

The new local mechanic said he couldn't adjust the valves, and didn't know anyone who could. He could do the compression test but hasn't gotten back to me about cost. So far they have only tuned up the engine (said plugs were fouled and some had incorrect gap) on the search for why the check engine light is on (my Bosch engine tester said both "engine runs lean" and "engine runs rich"). I seriously doubt that is what is going on, but I guess it needed done anyway. They are going to try to work on it more next week.

Called nearest Toyota Dealer, and the gal at the service desk quoted $310 to do compression test, and sure they could adjust....until she called back and said she'd spoken with the lead mechanic, who said that on an engine this old, if a valve had low compression, it would need a new engine instead of shims. The reasoning was that little rubber bits around the valves would tear up during the adjustment, and it would kill the valve and you'd be back to engine replacement anyhow.

My motor-head daughter, who worked several years as Asst Mgr in parts, told me that if the camper had valves checked and adjusted every 30K miles, it might have helped, but to do a first one at 100K miles, it may not be recommended. I haven't had the camper the entire time but I don't think it's ever been done.

Sheesh. And of course I was mixing up "compression" with "checking valve clearance." So I guess I have to get back with my local guy and ask if he can do THAT.

Of course, now I have TWO campers of the same age! The 93 Warrior rear dinette has the 100k, the 92 Itasca rear bath has 33K.

Thanks guys! Sue


Re: What is Best Way to Remove and Replace Dometic fridge from 18 ft 1986 Sunrader Shorty?

 

The usual way ToyHome owners get the fridge in and out of the coach is to remove the front passenger seat (4 bolts + one or two if the seatbelt needs to move) and
jockey the fridge out the passenger door opening.

If you have an oversized rear window, you can also remove the window and get the fridge out that opening.? That's more awkward because you have
to lift it several feet in the air and you don't have a proximate floor to rest it on as you maneuver it. The window is basically a "sandwich" of the
inner and outer frames with the cab wall in between. Remove all the screws holding the inner frame to the outer frame and they just come apart
(Note: be sure to support the glass if/when you separate the window frames).

I don't know of a competent/reliable/inexpensive RV mechanic (I usually did all my own work). One possible compromise solution if you're somewhat
handy is to do the physical removal and installation yourself, then hire an RV expert to hook up the gas and electrical systems.

Good luck.

Buzz L.
Phoenix, AZ
Former '86 Dolphin 500 owner


No one to help me in San Diego with 22R blown head gasket or cylinder on my 1982 Sunrader

 

First of all, this post is NOT about the Sunrader I posted that needs the taillights and Dometic fridge replaced.?

Nov 17, I was driving my 1982 Sunrader Shorty from San Diego to Norco to use as a hotel, for a weekend horsey event.? When in Escondido, it was making "water hammer" noises coming from the 5 speed transmission area (under the hump in the middle).? Then smoke started coming into my cab from the floor!!!? And then the front was not visible due to all the white smoke, which I later figured was steam because it didn't smell and dissipated quickly.?

Sunrader lost power and I pulled over on the 15 fwy.? Only then did I notice that the temp was way beyond the H, as far to the right as the needle would go.??

25 mile tow back to the driveway where the marine layer (5 min from the beach) turned it into a rust heap in the last year.? Poor Sunrader makes weak and dying wretching noises (like the dry heaves - Oh so sad!) when I turn the ignition and won't start, which I played to a couple of mechanics on my phone.? They said I blew the head gasket, the dry heaves speak of "no compression" or maybe I also ruined a cylinder.? ?

One said I cannot rebuild the motor because I already did so 50,000 miles ago, and "there is no room to do it again".? Another mechanic disagreed, but he'd have to take it apart to assess what can be done or not done.? He also said he'd have to find and rent a place to store it, so he could work on it at that storage facility.??

My problem is no mechanic has the facilities to handle 8 foot camper with dually wheels that "doesn't run".? It appears that their insurance will not cover any loss to my Sunrader while they are working on it, if it is not locked up.? ?But no one wants to work on it, even if it DID run, because they just don't have the hoist or overhead bay clearance for 8 ft camper, or ramp for dually wheels, as you all are familiar with "being in my place".

Does anyone on this forum know of an engine mechanic in San Diego, CA, who can help me repair the 22R engine, or where could I get another engine, and someone who would do the swap?? ?

So sad, because I owned this 1982 Sunrader for 23 years, purchased in Mesa, AZ Sept 2000.??
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Julia Genevy, who sometimes lives in San Diego, CA where I grew up.


What is Best Way to Remove and Replace Dometic fridge from 18 ft 1986 Sunrader Shorty?

 

Hello Everyone?

The original Sunrader Dometic RM 2400 (23" wide, 32" H, 16.5" deep) compressor died and I need to remove it to install Dometic RM 2354 (21"W, 27"H, 14"D only 3.0 CF) I bought used on Craigslist for $350.??

What is the best way to take out the old fridge and bring in the new one on the 18 ft Sunrader Shorty 1986 that has the really large rear window?? They surely cannot make it through the usual door to the house, right?.??

Do you have to take out the rear window and the dining table to get the fridges swapped??

Or can you do a swap by removing the passenger seat and the middle part of the cab bed, and can the old and new fridges be passed through the passenger door after the passenger seat is removed?

Can anyone refer "someone" who could do the labor for the swap and hook up the new used fridge so it works right, in Phoenix area?? Or do I have to pay RV repair place $175 - $195/hr?

Julia - Scottsdale, AZ


Re: Where to find 21" long Sunrader tail light replacements

 

Thank you SOOOO much Robert Himler for all your posts to help me with the Sunrader taillights.? I forgot to mention that a camping and kayaking buddy welded me a kayak and bike carrier from a Harbor Freight hitch basket, to carry my fat Perception Swifty kayak on it's side, but diagonally between the two taillights.?

So the outer taillights should be the regular night taillight and also be the turn signal taillights, otherwise the kayak would be blocking the other lights next to the outer ones.? I have not YET put that kayak carrier on THIS Sunrader, as it doesn't have a square hitch yet.? The square hitch would also block the path to where you put the pole key to lower your spare tire.

I still want the 3 6 inch taillights on each side, but the most important light and turn signal needs to be the most outer light.

? I assume I can just screw the 6 inch lights onto the plexiglass panels into which you drill holes to run the wires through.? Right?

But I was rather overwhelmed by all the info you posted, and since you are so into all that advice, would it be too much to ask of you, Robert, if you could just tell me which taillights to buy for my application I describe above?
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Julia - Scottsdale, AZ


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

Paul is an extremely experienced mechanic when it comes to these Toyota RV V-6 engines.
Experienced with the 4 cyl, but less so with the V6 as I haven’t ever
owned one.

From what I gather, it is more important that the compression be close
to the same on all of them, rather than the actual numbers. If one is
very low (most commonly #6) that's when an adjustment is needed,
before any of them burn. Paul, did I get it right?
More or less true. In other words, if a cylinder compression check
reveals the compression is high on all 6 cylinders (over about 160+ PSI )
then the owner can skip the more expensive valve clearance
check, but should still consider having the compression checked again
about every 25,000 miles thereafter.

But if compression is under about 150 PSI on some cylinders then
the owner knows the exhaust valve clearances on those cylinders
have become too tight and their clearances should be adjusted
(loosened) soon to prevent severe valve burning and permanent
total loss of compression.

Paul Cherubini


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

A valve clearance check is going to cost almost the same as an adjustment.? Hundreds if not into the thousands.??
Linda S?


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

not paul, but often when compression is down the damage is already done. this is why valve clearance check is more important than compression
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rz


Re: Valve Adjustment, AGAIN

 

Paul is an extremely experienced mechanic when it comes to these Toyota RV V-6 engines.? ?From what I gather, it is more important that the compression be close to the same on all of them, rather than the actual numbers.? If one is very low (most commonly #6) that's when an adjustment is needed, before any of them burn.? Paul, did I get it right??