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Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

Brad Lambert
 

I love?the 25ft Prism class C on the Mercedes Sprinter Chassis. And if ya get a Chevy spark manual transmission :)?it’s the perfect tow behind.
I own both, have been all I’ve the country several times. Parking still easy enough, power of the diesel is unsurpassed, turning radius almost as tight?on the RV as the car. ?



On Friday, February 24, 2023, 6:24 PM, wme013 <wme@...> wrote:

Just to change the thought process a bit. Using the Tesla budget, how about a used 24-28ft class C and a lightly used Nissan Leaf??


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Just to change the thought process a bit. Using the Tesla budget, how about a used 24-28ft class C and a lightly used Nissan Leaf??


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

i agree. but ev s aren't so good for long distance, except in cali, better for people who commute less than 60 miles one way. no need for gas stations. in other areas hybrids make more sense
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rz


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Don B, ?I agree the EVs are probably the best.? I also agree with, was it Bob from Denver, thoughts on pollution from EVs, ie: power plants being way easier to control and reduce than pollution from gas or diesel vehicles.? But, at this point the hybrids are much more practical.? Maybe not in and near big cities but for a person in the middle of MN (me) or in another rural setting some other states, until there are sufficient charging locations I think Hybrids are the way to go.? Then there’s the purchase price which the average person isn’t able to afford. Not that the average person would necessarily choose a hybrid either.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023, Don B. via <donb8016=[email protected]> wrote:

Jogues, I've heated my home with many different energy sources too, but for the last 15 years, it's been 100% electric (small electric space heater). Easy to do when you live in what is essentially a large walk-in closet. :)

As far as hybrid vehicles, I've done a ton of research on them, and from a reliability perspective, it's not nearly as good as a pure battery electric. In fact, you've got two energy systems to maintain, one being an internal combustion engine with all the "baggage" that goes along with it. And because of two systems, compromises are made in both. And as the years go by, gasoline will be more difficult and more expensive to obtain. And this may sound implausible, but some of the automakers who made those hybrids may no longer be around in the future, which affects out-of-warranty service, not to mention resale value. Just say'n


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

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I think we all ‘win’ and get points for the thoughtful, civil and diverse opinions.


On Feb 24, 2023, at 3:18 PM, Kathleen Becker via groups.io <kmbecker42@...> wrote:

?This has been a great discussion- thank you to all!


On Feb 24, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Brad Lambert via groups.io <brad.lambert25@...> wrote:

? :) I’m trying to bow out here, a google search for anyone that is interested in finding out more?


I just grabbed the first one, plenty of stuff out there about the pollution and toxicity of the panels and what would be the consequences if we made large solar farms. ?I’m sure someone has a rebuttal, please just don’t attach my name :) I concede the point.?



On Friday, February 24, 2023, 1:29 PM, Don B. via groups.io <donb8016@...> wrote:

Brad, I'd question the source that says that large solar arrays cause catastrophic harm from the raising of the ambient temperature. Those power utilities that have added these "solar farms" in FL (a fairly hot state) have not seemed to have run into this issue. Yes, the solar panels do get warm from the sun's rays, and I can see how that heat would raise the surrounding air temps some, but I don't think that lots of these power plant solar arrays would raise the climate's temp more than CO2's greenhouse effect does. I'm thinking that converting all power plants in the U.S. to solar and no more fossil fuel burning would be a net positive, even considering the temperature raising effect of the panels. I have to wonder that since there are powerful interests who want to slow the adoption of solar (and wind), if this is simply more misinfo (there's plenty of other utterly rubbish misinfo about solar, EVs, etc. courtesy of Big Oil alone).


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

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This has been a great discussion- thank you to all!


On Feb 24, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Brad Lambert via groups.io <brad.lambert25@...> wrote:

? :) I’m trying to bow out here, a google search for anyone that is interested in finding out more?


I just grabbed the first one, plenty of stuff out there about the pollution and toxicity of the panels and what would be the consequences if we made large solar farms. ?I’m sure someone has a rebuttal, please just don’t attach my name :) I concede the point.?



On Friday, February 24, 2023, 1:29 PM, Don B. via groups.io <donb8016@...> wrote:

Brad, I'd question the source that says that large solar arrays cause catastrophic harm from the raising of the ambient temperature. Those power utilities that have added these "solar farms" in FL (a fairly hot state) have not seemed to have run into this issue. Yes, the solar panels do get warm from the sun's rays, and I can see how that heat would raise the surrounding air temps some, but I don't think that lots of these power plant solar arrays would raise the climate's temp more than CO2's greenhouse effect does. I'm thinking that converting all power plants in the U.S. to solar and no more fossil fuel burning would be a net positive, even considering the temperature raising effect of the panels. I have to wonder that since there are powerful interests who want to slow the adoption of solar (and wind), if this is simply more misinfo (there's plenty of other utterly rubbish misinfo about solar, EVs, etc. courtesy of Big Oil alone).


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

Brad Lambert
 

:) I’m trying to bow out here, a google search for anyone that is interested in finding out more?


I just grabbed the first one, plenty of stuff out there about the pollution and toxicity of the panels and what would be the consequences if we made large solar farms. ?I’m sure someone has a rebuttal, please just don’t attach my name :) I concede the point.?



On Friday, February 24, 2023, 1:29 PM, Don B. via groups.io <donb8016@...> wrote:

Brad, I'd question the source that says that large solar arrays cause catastrophic harm from the raising of the ambient temperature. Those power utilities that have added these "solar farms" in FL (a fairly hot state) have not seemed to have run into this issue. Yes, the solar panels do get warm from the sun's rays, and I can see how that heat would raise the surrounding air temps some, but I don't think that lots of these power plant solar arrays would raise the climate's temp more than CO2's greenhouse effect does. I'm thinking that converting all power plants in the U.S. to solar and no more fossil fuel burning would be a net positive, even considering the temperature raising effect of the panels. I have to wonder that since there are powerful interests who want to slow the adoption of solar (and wind), if this is simply more misinfo (there's plenty of other utterly rubbish misinfo about solar, EVs, etc. courtesy of Big Oil alone).


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Brad, I'd question the source that says that large solar arrays cause catastrophic harm from the raising of the ambient temperature. Those power utilities that have added these "solar farms" in FL (a fairly hot state) have not seemed to have run into this issue. Yes, the solar panels do get warm from the sun's rays, and I can see how that heat would raise the surrounding air temps some, but I don't think that lots of these power plant solar arrays would raise the climate's temp more than CO2's greenhouse effect does. I'm thinking that converting all power plants in the U.S. to solar and no more fossil fuel burning would be a net positive, even considering the temperature raising effect of the panels. I have to wonder that since there are powerful interests who want to slow the adoption of solar (and wind), if this is simply more misinfo (there's plenty of other utterly rubbish misinfo about solar, EVs, etc. courtesy of Big Oil alone).


Re: Transmission Coolers

 

Scott, I added an external transmission cooler (with fan) to my Dolphin MH when I saw that my highway driving in hot weather was "burning" the tranny fluid (turning it from pink to light brown). I changed the fluid, added the cooler, and haven't had any issues since. The cooler I used was:

Make sure to use a thermostat so it'll turn on and off the fan at the proper temperatures. Just as you don't want the fluid too hot, you don't want it too cold either.


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

Brad Lambert
 

So I saw? these massive solar farms in the Sahara Desert ??, Europe even envisioning a solar farm in Africa to supply all their energy needs. Recent studies say the solar farms?increased the air temperature and on a larger scale would cause catastrophic harm. Sounds good in theory but in reality it just doesn’t workout, good thing they didn’t rush into that one. I will gladly read any other thoughts on the matter with a cup of tea but I believe my opinion on the matter is documented. Can’t wait for the next hot topic.?


On Thursday, February 23, 2023, 8:30 PM, Don B. via groups.io <donb8016@...> wrote:

Hi Bob in Denver, I'd like to address your concerns.

>? If we're counting on petroleum, coal, and natural gas to produce the electricity, switching to EVs isn't really a net gain environmentally.

Actually EVs are a large gain because of the huge difference in efficiency between a gasoline engine vehicle and a battery EV. One way to tell is to compare the MPGs. Average gas vehicle in the U.S. is 26 MPG. EVs can get 120 MPGe (the "e" is for "equivalence"). This is an apples-to-apples comparison (there's a conversion to BTUs to do this). Another way to know is to realize that to drive a distance that uses 10 gallons of gas, 8 gallons go towards waste heat and 2 go towards forward motion. An EV using the equivalent of 10 gallons of gas uses 9 for forward motion and only one goes to waste heat. Also CO2 capture tech and pollution filters can be integrated into power plant smoke stacks, but can't be fitted to tailpipes.

As far as #2, as EV adoption and production increases, so too will renewable energy production. And as I mentioned in #1, it's not a BTU-to-BTU equivalent... EVs are much more efficient. When window ACs were made available for sale to the public, that put a huge strain on the grid, and we made it through. And now we have battery/solar power plants that can be built (and are).

For #5, with improvements in battery chemistry, recharging on road trips will be less frequent and of shorter duration. But even if it will always take a bit longer to "fill up" with EVs vs gasoline vehicles, I think that's a small price to pay for the benefits. Many EV owners who have vehicles that get 250 miles of range who do long trips aren't cussing anything. Especially EVs that self-drive on the highway.

Re: #6 I know many people who fuel their EVs from the sun, directly. And as time goes by, this scenario will be more affordable to more people. Big Oil will have to adjust. BP and Shell are adding EV charging pedestals to their filling stations.

I hope fail-safe nuclear can be developed (like reactors with frozen-water plugs for the liquid fuel), and they can replace all fossil fuel plants. (Nuclear reactors for vehicles aren't safe because of the tendency for some vehicles to self-destruct at high speed).

Don B.

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Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Hi Bob in Denver, I'd like to address your concerns.

>? If we're counting on petroleum, coal, and natural gas to produce the electricity, switching to EVs isn't really a net gain environmentally.

Actually EVs are a large gain because of the huge difference in efficiency between a gasoline engine vehicle and a battery EV. One way to tell is to compare the MPGs. Average gas vehicle in the U.S. is 26 MPG. EVs can get 120 MPGe (the "e" is for "equivalence"). This is an apples-to-apples comparison (there's a conversion to BTUs to do this). Another way to know is to realize that to drive a distance that uses 10 gallons of gas, 8 gallons go towards waste heat and 2 go towards forward motion. An EV using the equivalent of 10 gallons of gas uses 9 for forward motion and only one goes to waste heat. Also CO2 capture tech and pollution filters can be integrated into power plant smoke stacks, but can't be fitted to tailpipes.

As far as #2, as EV adoption and production increases, so too will renewable energy production. And as I mentioned in #1, it's not a BTU-to-BTU equivalent... EVs are much more efficient. When window ACs were made available for sale to the public, that put a huge strain on the grid, and we made it through. And now we have battery/solar power plants that can be built (and are).

For #5, with improvements in battery chemistry, recharging on road trips will be less frequent and of shorter duration. But even if it will always take a bit longer to "fill up" with EVs vs gasoline vehicles, I think that's a small price to pay for the benefits. Many EV owners who have vehicles that get 250 miles of range who do long trips aren't cussing anything. Especially EVs that self-drive on the highway.

Re: #6 I know many people who fuel their EVs from the sun, directly. And as time goes by, this scenario will be more affordable to more people. Big Oil will have to adjust. BP and Shell are adding EV charging pedestals to their filling stations.

I hope fail-safe nuclear can be developed (like reactors with frozen-water plugs for the liquid fuel), and they can replace all fossil fuel plants. (Nuclear reactors for vehicles aren't safe because of the tendency for some vehicles to self-destruct at high speed).

Don B.

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Re: Flat-towing a Dolphin MH

 

yep. forgot about the center carrier bearing. you'll have to unbolt it , disconnect from diff, then bolt it back in
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Re: Flat-towing a Dolphin MH

 

I've had my 3 section drive shaft out before to replace all the universal joints. But I have a feeling the rear of the shaft that attaches to the dif can't be detached unless the other sections are detached first. I could be wrong. If it's only a matter of removing those 4 nuts and sliding the rear section off the dif flange, I'll do that.


Re: Flat-towing a Dolphin MH

 

Thanks rz! I passed by an automatic transmission place today so I thought I'd ask them for their opinion. The ole guy there, who was aware of the transmission our motorhomes use, said if I didn't want to fart around with detaching and reattaching the drive shaft, it would be less expensive to install an outboard transmission fluid pump which would keep the ATF flowing through the tranny when I'm driving. It just needs 12v power. I like that idea! Better than burning 9 gallons of gasoline for the trip.


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Thanks Bob for the common sense.

Aaron from CO


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Jogues, I've heated my home with many different energy sources too, but for the last 15 years, it's been 100% electric (small electric space heater). Easy to do when you live in what is essentially a large walk-in closet. :)

As far as hybrid vehicles, I've done a ton of research on them, and from a reliability perspective, it's not nearly as good as a pure battery electric. In fact, you've got two energy systems to maintain, one being an internal combustion engine with all the "baggage" that goes along with it. And because of two systems, compromises are made in both. And as the years go by, gasoline will be more difficult and more expensive to obtain. And this may sound implausible, but some of the automakers who made those hybrids may no longer be around in the future, which affects out-of-warranty service, not to mention resale value. Just say'n


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Don, I'm going to have to drop this... thousands of wind & solar
generators producing power that can't go into the grid?
I can't think of anything I can say that will be good, helpful to the
group or do anything about your dream of towing a Toyota camper behind
your electric vehicle.
Good luck sir.

Rob
vwrobb@...

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 6:36 PM Don B. via groups.io
<donb8016@...> wrote:

Rob, my understanding is that power generated from solar and wind cannot go onto the grid directly (too variable). Makes sense knowing how the grid operates. But yes, some wind turbines. properly equipped, can send energy to a nearby substation where it is stepped up to 800,000 volts, and that power can be directly "fed" to the grid. But ultimately it doesn't matter if that power went onto the grid directly or it gets stored and that stored power goes onto the grid; the power generated makes its way onto the grid. Large battery storage facilities used with large solar/wind generation simply makes the power more easily integrated into the grid, allowing for precise modulation (to match demand to supply).

And hydroelectric power is not an apples-to-apples comparison because that falling water turns generator turbines, which are not variable as is solar and wind. So hydroelectric power can be "integrated" into the grid with no intermediate storage in the same way as power made from coal and oil fired power plants.


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

Rob, my understanding is that power generated from solar and wind cannot go onto the grid directly (too variable). Makes sense knowing how the grid operates. But yes, some wind turbines. properly equipped, can send energy to a nearby substation where it is stepped up to 800,000 volts, and that power can be directly "fed" to the grid. But ultimately it doesn't matter if that power went onto the grid directly or it gets stored and that stored power goes onto the grid; the power generated makes its way onto the grid. Large battery storage facilities used with large solar/wind generation simply makes the power more easily integrated into the grid, allowing for precise modulation (to match demand to supply).

And hydroelectric power is not an apples-to-apples comparison because that falling water turns generator turbines, which are not variable as is solar and wind. So hydroelectric power can be "integrated" into the grid with no intermediate storage in the same way as power made from coal and oil fired power plants.


Transmission Coolers

 

I found this interesting link to oil and tranny fluid coolers.? ?If the link doesnt work just click on the coolers category on the website jegs.com? ? ? ? Adding a tranny cooler has been on my list for a long time.

https://www.jegs.com/p/Derale/Derale-Atomic-Cool-Remote-Fluid-Coolers/1335941/10002/-1?pageSize=30&Tab=SKU&storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&fq=Inactivewstock:In+Stock%7CShips+in+24hrs&trk_msg=T9TRAP3L4E24B1LUR6TRC93S94&trk_contact=5DB2UBOAMFEHD7RP10OUQU0IJC&trk_sid=DF5V76IOG1LIVD9GFC8KSIPKO4&trk_link=A5BPTAKQSG2K15DNN5C87HGEOG&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Derale+Atomic-Cool+Remote+Fluid+Coolers+-+Shop+Now&utm_campaign=February+2023&utm_content=New+Transmission%3a+Enhanced+Your+Rides+Performance


Moderated Re: When it gets too old to drive but not too old to live in

 

I think that in the future Electric Vehicles (EVs) will be the way to go.? Oftentimes new technologies have to first get going by fits and starts, so there are still some issues to get ironed out.? However, I have some concerns about the way EVs are being implemented at this time.?

?1.? If we're counting on petroleum, coal, and natural gas to produce the electricity, switching to EVs isn't really a net gain environmentally.

?2.? If we're planning on wind and solar to provide the power, then charging the EVs at night during "off peak" times for the grid, they won't be off peak for long.? And since the sun isn't shining at night, the grid would have to rely on battery storage to charge the huge new population of EVs.? That's a lot of megawatt hours to draw from batteries.? Or, the peak times might require going back to the traditional generation from fossil fuels or nuclear to meet the demand.? Again, we might as well just burn the fossil fuel directly in the vehicle and skip the layers of energy transfer.

?3.? I for one think the appearance of wind and solar farms are the opposite of a beautiful countryside.? Have you driven through the once-beautiful Palm Springs, California, now with all the windmills, and so many other vast wind and solar projects across what used to be our wide open spaces in America?? Do you like seeing miles of that as you're driving on vacation?

?4.? Gregg Braden and others present an interesting if not compelling case for Selenium Nuclear Reactors that might offer a more attractive alternative by producing large amounts of electricity 24 hours a day, without the devastating dangers of the more common nuclear power plants.

?5.? My main objection, other than the ugly wind and solar farms, is the mileage range for EVs.? For example, if I want to drive from Denver to Pasadena to visit my daughter, I would probably have to make two or three 8-hour stops along the way to recharge the EV batteries.? Unplanned side trips to various national parks might be problematic.? On the other hand, with my gasoline car or RV, just one over-nighter would be needed, and that would only be if I wanted to stop.? With a couple drivers, we could drive straight through without stopping.? With EVs, no choice.

?6.? My vision for the future would be a very small nuclear generator as part of the car or RV, maybe the size of a gallon paint can, that could power the vehicle virtually forever.? Of course, that would be anathema to the likes of a George Westinghouse, who would insist on power that runs through a meter and into his pocket.? Just ask Nicola Tesla how that went for him when Tesla wanted to produce free power out of thin air for everyone, and bypass Westinghouse's ownership interest in the copper market.

?Bob in Denver

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