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hey nice site

 

well the site is picking up pretty quick.Hey you might want to show
dad the Chinook link sometime later Jeff


Re: Re Sunrader

Jack Redman
 

Hi, thanks for the message. I also saw the literature on a Sunrader, but the book store people told me it was only for the slide in units so I did not buy it.

Jack


From: rockhound@...
Reply-To: toyota-campers@...
To: toyota-campers@...
Subject: [toyota-campers] Re Sunrader
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:53:44 -0000

Hi Jack, In my searching for old literature on toyota campers I came
across a Sunrader motorhome and slide in camper owners manual on a
bookstore web site, I don't know what years it covers or anything, in
fact I just mailed the check off yesterday so when it gets here I'll
let you know what it is and what it covers. Your oil consumption
might be the valve guide seals letting enough past to show use but
not smoke, just a guess, Your probably on the right track with the
tranny problem, with all the computer controlled electronics it could
be thermal or some sensor or who knows what. Hope you figure it out.
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Re Sunrader

 

Hi Jack, In my searching for old literature on toyota campers I came
across a Sunrader motorhome and slide in camper owners manual on a
bookstore web site, I don't know what years it covers or anything, in
fact I just mailed the check off yesterday so when it gets here I'll
let you know what it is and what it covers. Your oil consumption
might be the valve guide seals letting enough past to show use but
not smoke, just a guess, Your probably on the right track with the
tranny problem, with all the computer controlled electronics it could
be thermal or some sensor or who knows what. Hope you figure it out.


Sunrader

 

Hi, I am glad to join this message board regarding Toyota campers. I
have a '86 Sunrader, 4 cyl, automatic. It is 21 feet long and has
the rear dining area. I just love it. We have taken 7 trips in it
so far (since July 2000) and find it very comfortable. I have done
several improvements to the unit... added a cd player, added cruise
control, added a tachometer, added a dash clock (out of a salvage
pick-up, and added an indoor\outdoor thermometer. My unit already
had supplemental air bags on the rear springs, but I added an onboard
compressor to keep them pumped up.

My biggest concern with my unit is that it uses oil. It only has
81,000 miles but uses a quart every 500 miles. I switched to 20-50W
but did not notice any difference. It does not smoke or leak oil, so
until it becomes an obvious problem I will just keep adding oil as I
go along.

I sure would like to get my hands on a copy of the original Sunrader
owners manual (not the Toyota owners manual). There must be a wiring
diagram in that documentation to help me. If anyone has a set I
would be happy to pay the expense to have copies made and sent to me.

Another issue with my Sunrader is that if I get into hilly country
that requires a lot of shifting, I find that my overdrive will stop
working. I think it is a thermal condition caused when the
transmission fluid heats up. The overdrive will eventually start
working again after we level out again. Has anyone else experienced
this problem?

Well, better close for now.

Jack


Re: Fuel filter replacement

 

Hi, I have a '86 Sunrader that I changed the fuel filer on recently.
It is a difficult job, but not impossible. The main trick is to use
a socket with a long extension to reach in from the front of the
engine area to remove the front bolt on the filter bracket. The rear
bolt is easy to reach. My engine had a sharp piece of metal on the
intake manifold. I kept pressing my forearm against it while I was
removing and replacing the filer. Later I counted 47 small punctures
in my arm from this razor sharp piece of metal. I removed that
piece so that will not happen again.

I also replaced the valve stem seals on my 22RE engine. I was lucky
to have a friend that had the tools to compress the springs, and also
to keep the cyls pressureized while we released the valve springs.
That was a job that I would not attempt again (unless my friend
helped).

Jack

--- In toyota-campers@..., jacka2@e... wrote:
--- In toyota-campers@..., rockhound@n... wrote:
Those are no fun to get to for sure, there is a removable panel
on
the fenderwell, at least on the 4x4 there is, that will allow you
to
use a long extension to reach in without having to remove the
starter, but its still a pain trying to break the fuel lines
loose
with the limited access. The guy that designed that setup ought
to
have to change one himself. Good luck

Thanks Rockhound,

I was afraid of that. No my unit does not have access through
the fender well, so I guess I'll wait until Spring to tackle
that one. (we are buried in snow and temps have been around zero)
I'll dump some fuel antifreeze in and hope there's no water in
the system to freeze the lines.

I checked out the pics of your Chinook on your home site. Looks
great and the history was interesting. Was the camper unit a
slide in or was it built in at the factory?

Jack A2


Chinook question

 

Hi Jacka2, the Chinook was built by Chinook Mobilodge during the 70's
they used the toyota truck as a base and removed the bed, cut out the
rear of the cab and installed the camper body for a walkthru type
installation, if you were real short anyway. Their all fiberglass
construction like the Sunrader you have. I installed the 4 wheel
drive under the one I restored as toyota never built a 4x4 before
1979 and the Chinooks were only built until 1978. It was one of those
projects that got out of hand and I didn't know where to quit. Thanks
for looking.


Re: Fuel filter replacement

 

--- In toyota-campers@..., rockhound@n... wrote:
Those are no fun to get to for sure, there is a removable panel on
the fenderwell, at least on the 4x4 there is, that will allow you to
use a long extension to reach in without having to remove the
starter, but its still a pain trying to break the fuel lines loose
with the limited access. The guy that designed that setup ought to
have to change one himself. Good luck

Thanks Rockhound,

I was afraid of that. No my unit does not have access through
the fender well, so I guess I'll wait until Spring to tackle
that one. (we are buried in snow and temps have been around zero)
I'll dump some fuel antifreeze in and hope there's no water in
the system to freeze the lines.

I checked out the pics of your Chinook on your home site. Looks
great and the history was interesting. Was the camper unit a
slide in or was it built in at the factory?

Jack A2


Hi...Just Signed On

 

Thanks to Jacka2's tip on another RV list, have just signed up here.
I have an 82 (or 3) Phoenix on a Toyota platform. It is a 4 banger
with 4 speed manual trans. Tapes out to 22 ft. The rig is orphaned,
made by Santanna in SoCal, who are no longer in business. No
problems except standard ones...fridge, furnace, etc...common
to most any older rig. As long as the crapper works I don't sweat
over slight inconveniences as I travel alone except for the dog.
The one problem I have is the rear wheel clearance, on the
right side. It rubs audibly when pulling slow into, say, a gas station
driveway, when the rig sways side to side. Previous owner tried a
fix, beefing up that spring. Also has air charged shocks back there.
Could be a problem I'd have to fix as I like boondocking in the
back country or desert areas where roads are primitive.
Look forward to hearing about Toyota-based rigs here. All
the other RV lists concentrate on Detroit platforms.

Paul/Calif


Fuel filter replacement

 

Those are no fun to get to for sure, there is a removable panel on
the fenderwell, at least on the 4x4 there is, that will allow you to
use a long extension to reach in without having to remove the
starter, but its still a pain trying to break the fuel lines loose
with the limited access. The guy that designed that setup ought to
have to change one himself. Good luck


Fuel filter

 

I have an 86, FI, 22R-E. My Chiltons book notes that the
starter "may" have to be removed to replace the fuel filter.

Any one replaced it without pulling the starter?? How?

Jack A2


Another Toyota nut

 

Hi, I joined after finding out about the club from fellow member
Jacka2, Thanks. If it has to do with toyota's I can't resist.
I currently have 3 toyota campers, its an addiction I think! a 76
Chinook poptop I've had for almost 13 years I did a ground up
restoration on, a 78 Odessey I got and restored about 3+ years ago,
the wife wanted a bathroom and the extra room is nice too, and just
recently got another 75 Chinook poptop for another project to keep me
ocuppied and broke.
My Chinook restoration got me started on these mini homes and my
search for more info on there history. Just recently started a club
for toyota motorhomes on yahoo and also built a web site devoted to
the Chinook. I will post the address's on the links page if anyone is
interested in looking or joining. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas.


Toyota-Mini MH.

 

Nathan,

Thank you for starting this list. I will spread the word.

I'm now on a list, here at egroups, for the Ford Festiva
(aka Mazda 121) we grew from 4 members to 340 in about 3yrs.
Our members are from all over the world.

The Festiva has high seats, wide doors, is a great driving
little car and is, within reason, towable by our Sunraders as
it weighs around 1800Lbs. The car can be towed all four down
and many are in service as toads. Made 1988-1993 a good one
can be purchased for $800-1,500.

My Sunrader is a 1986, 20ft, pop up. Auto trans, power steer.
I get around 19-20 Mpg. I restored this machine after it sat
undriven for 4-5 years. (yes they did start it up from time
to time).(54k on od.)

I have a friend who also has a Sunrader. His is a 1985, 19ft.
his has a bathroom, mine does not. We traveled together this
fall and both units ran trouble free.

I have lots of Sunrader stuff to impart and lots to learn.
Thanks again for starting this list.

Best regards.

Jack A2
Ann Arbor Mi.


Welcome

 

I want to welcome any new members to this site for Toyota campers. Please share with the group some information about yourself and your RV. Thanks


Toyota camper

 

I own a 1986 Toyota-based Damon Escaper 21ft. It has the 2.4 four
cylinder engine with a 5 speed manual transmission. I have owned this
camper since May of 2000. This past summer I traveled from Ohio to
Seattle Washington. Other stops included Mt. Rushmore, Yellowstone,
Teddy Roosevelt N.P., and Olympia N.P. My camper gets between 17-20
mpg and has every option except a generator. My father owns a 1978
Toyota 17ft camper and my grandfather owns a 1986 21ft and 1977 Toyota
Chinook pop-up as well. We all have around 100,000 miles on our units
and could not be more pleased with the platform. The units are easy
to work on and get very good mileage and very dependable. As a family
we have traveled from Ocean to Ocean in these little units. The size
and versatility of these units are great, they are very easy to drive
on the open road or in city trafic. I have been unable to find any
groups that are designed for toyota based mini-campers so I decided to
start this one. Please share your travels and experiences.


Re: The $500 Chinook takes a trip

Dick Rettke
 

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I can tell you we replaced our engine 33Re with a Jasper for 3700 - it is not cheap to go this way, however, we now have a 01 model.? -=dr=-
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From: W0AH@...
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:02:12 AM
Subject: [toyota-campers] The $500 Chinook takes a trip
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After buying the 1976 Toyota Chinook that lay abandoned in a neighbors field
for over 4 1/2 years (reported here a couple of weeks ago), I finally got it
ready for it's first trip this past weekend to Panarama Point, the highest
point in Nebraska, where I operated a ham radio contest. ?I had this
unreasonable, compulsive desire to drive her to Nebraska for the contest
since I bought her July 3. ?The round trip distance was almost 500 miles from
here near Pikes Peak. ??In the past two weeks I spent over 20 hours cleaning
the cabin and cab, rewiring the tail lights, replacing the horn, adding a new
12 volt battery, making sure the electrical converter was wired and working
properly before using it, replacing some of the water tubing to/from the
sink, and replacing many of the rusting nuts, bolts, and screws. I also
bought a porta potty at Walmart. ?I also bought the Chilton Toyota pickup
repair manual and intended to try to to some of the maintenance, but ran out
of time- and had the wheel bearings repacked and the right front caliper and
front rotars and break pads replaced at a local repair shop where they also
took the good 16-ply tires off the dualies and put them on the four wheels
with balancing. ?They also replaced the transmission oil and the belts. ??
Cost was $300. ?At another repair shop, I had the spark plugs, points, and
condenser replaced and the timing adjusted and a compression test. ?Cost was
$200. I asked both dealers to eyeball the Chinook for any problems. I got
fairly clean bill of health, but was told by repair shop #2 that i better
take my credit cards with me for the trip! ?I added the Chinook to my AAA
coverage for $25, but was told it didn't take effect for 5 days, so I was
prepared, if necessary, to spent 5 days with the broken down Chinook ?:-) ??
Luckily, that wasn't necessary, and I didn't need my credit cards either. ?I
drove 200+ miles to the Panarama Point in Nebraska, Saturday morning, and
returned, via Cheyenne WY, on Sunday afternoon and evening. No problems,
except I needed to add a quart of oil every 150 miles, more often than I had
to stop for gas! ??The almost clean bill of health included a compression
test which was cylinder #1- 85 psi, #2- 105 psi, #3- 100 psi, #4- 95 psi. ?
Guess my engine needs new piston rings and probably a lot more. ?The engine
starts easily and sounds fine. ?I can go over 65 MPH on the level at 5000'
ASL, much less going up hills especially near home at 9000' ASL. ?
I paid $500 for the Chinook and have put about $700 in to it since. ?Auto
repairman #2 said just drive and enjoy her, but have your credit cards
handy...it's not worth putting a lot more money into her. ?Yep, I knew a $500
motorhome would have a lot of problems and also be a good gunea pig for
learning a little auto mechanics, maintenance and repair of body rust,
fiberglass damage, and motorhome appliances. ?So far it's been a lot of work
and a lot of fun. ??Unless the stock market and my stocks (my retirement
funding) do a quick reversal, I'll have my gunea pig for a while! ?I may
drive her down to Mexico in September where I can have the engine overhauled
at a shop rate of $10 or $15 an hour, compared to $60 an hour up here, or
maybe I'll just drive her as is.
The cabin has actually cleaned up quite nicely and is attractive. ?I'm
repairing some of the Toyota body rust and plan to repair a few places where
the fiberglass is scraped or cracked. ?Plan to repaint the cab. ?She will
look presentable after all that. ?It may be too late for this old dog to
learn enough auto mechanics to do anything serious, but I can do all the
maintenance from now on and minor repairs. ?Do the affianados here think I
should -
1) have the engine overhauled here for mucho $$$$
2) Buy a replacement engine
3) Put the Chinook camper on a different Toyota chasis with a good engine
4) drive to Mexico- I plan to go there in any case- and have the engine
overhauled there for $$ pesos
3) drive her and enjoy her as is
4) put her back out to pasture where she was resting peacefully until July 3rd
Doug in Woodland Park CO

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Re: need suggestion in leveling

Dick Rettke
 

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I use a 2x12 for my unit, can use these on front or back, just put a block or two under the one edge and back on to it.? -=dr=-
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-------Original Message-------
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From: Bill
Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 03:26:39 PM
Subject: [toyota-campers] need suggestion in leveling
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I found out the hard way that the refrigerator had to be level. I
can't believe the replacement cost of the cooling unit. I guess I
learned an expensive lesson here.
Anyway, my dilemma is leveling my 1987 Odyssey MH on my driveway.
The elevation difference between the front and the back wheels is
around 7-8 inches. I know that you can get those stackable plastic
pieces you drive over for minor leveling (1-5 inches), but I have not
seen anything that could raise the backend by 7-8 inches. I have
dual wheels on each side, so a pair of mechanical ramp would not
work, unless they make them extra wide, which would be ideal. It
doesn't have to be portable since I would only use the device for my
driveway.
I can't back into the driveway since the RV door is on the right and
the fence is on the left, so I need raise the back wheels somehow.
Any suggestion is appreciated.
Thank you.

Bill


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Re: MoHo Refers

C.Howard Walker
 

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Did you change the switch in front from gas to elect. the switch has to almost exactly on the mark or it may not get contact.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [toyota-campers] MoHo Refers

Nolan-

So what would you say was wrong if my refer was cold and freezer was freezing
while using propane and then once we plugged into the outlet after we were
plugged in at the campground, it defrosted and felt like it was off?? Power
works- we were watching TV.

Sabrina
Beanie8028


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Re: WV Tow Car

Dick Rettke
 

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Thanks for the pointers on the no OD and shifting down, I will keep that in mind as we will be leaving on the 23d.? -=dr=-
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-------Original Message-------
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Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 07:28:40 PM
Subject: [toyota-campers] Re: WV Tow Car
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--- In toyota-campers@y..., "Dick Rettke" <dickrtke@c...> wrote:
> Ah the on going saga of "To tow or not to toW"
>
> We have a 17footer RBR Mini Cruiser/Auto and we have decided to take
the plunge and tow our 1973 VW Bug Convert on a trip from WI to SD and
back. Took the unit out for a test run, and did kick down a gear on
the hills we have here, however, in SD we are going to camp at Rapid
City instead of Deadwood so "Mini" won't see the hills, however,
"Sweet Pea" the Bug will.
>
> We will keep you posted on the progress of our adventure. I figure
it this way, if we had a 21 or 22 footer the strain would be about the
same. What you guys think of my theory?-=dr=-


Dick.

Your theory sounds right to me. Install a trans
cooler before you leave and don't let the trans
kick in and out of OD. Shift down for hills and
run it in 3rd (not over 55 mph).

Keep us posted. I'm thinking about towing a Festiva
(1800 lbs) soon.


Jack A2


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WV Tow Car

Dick Rettke
 

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Ah the on going saga of "To tow or not to toW"
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We have a 17footer RBR Mini Cruiser/Auto and we have decided to take the plunge and tow our 1973 VW Bug Convert on a trip from WI to SD and back.? Took the unit out for a test run, and did kick down a gear on the hills we have here, however, in SD we are going to camp at Rapid City instead of Deadwood so "Mini" won't see the hills, however, "Sweet Pea" the Bug will.
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We will keep you posted on the progress of our adventure.? I figure it this way, if we had a 21 or 22 footer the strain would be about the same.? What you guys think of my theory??? -=dr=-?
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Re: MoHo Refers

Dick Rettke
 

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This is our second Motor Home, our previous was a Class A, then and now, we simply put the refer on at the beginning of summer on "gas" and leave it on all the time.? After many experiences with hot/cold etc. we found this to work the best for us.? Oh yes, we do level the unit in the driveway, and leveling is the number one action as we pull into a camp site, as well.? -=dr=-
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-------Original Message-------
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From: Nolan
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 07:58:41 PM
Subject: [toyota-campers] MoHo Refers
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Hi Jacka, I'm gonna have to differ with ya, sorry. The 2 way refer is
designed to operate on propane or 110 volt, the 3 ways are made for
propane, 110 volt, and 12 volt. Like you said the 12volt is not very
effecient and a battery eater if the engine is shut off. They were
designed to cool down on either gas or 110 then when traveling the 12
volt was supposed to help maintain the temp until you were able to
plug back in or light the gas, it would help as long as you didn't
open the door too many times. Most people run on propane while
traveling then 110 volt while parked where you have 110 v access.
Theres some safety factors associated with running the propane while
driving but thats for the operator to decide :)


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