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Starting this month, we have printed power warning labels on the surface of tinySA.


 

Hi EuGene,

I don¡¯t know why you are specifically addressing me, but here goes:

5 W is 37 dBm (log10(5 W / 1 mW) log10(5000) ¡Ö 3.7).
Since you don¡¯t really know what exactly the transmitter will output, let¡¯s say you want to be safe up to 40 dBm, giving 3 dB safety margin.
10dBm is the max safe input, and 40 dBm - 10 dBm = 30 dB (no m;
dB is a measure of gain or attenuation; dBm is a measure of power by giving the gain relative to 1 mW).
Of course, the fact that an attenuator nominally is 30 dB does not mean that it really is at the frequency you are going to use it with, so that may use up some of the 3 dB safety margin we gave ourselves above.

Now, you probably don¡¯t just want to not blow up the tinySA, but also get a good measurement. I don¡¯t recollect immediately if a lower input than 10dBm gives you better results with the tinySA.

Gr¨¹?e, Carsten

On 2021-02-11, at 05:58, bigusmith via groups.io <bigusmith@...> wrote:

Carsten,

I'm looking to get attenuators to use with various QRP transmitters baur am not sure how much dB of attenuation is needed to use for each of the QRP transmitters with the following watts output: 0.5 watts, 1 watt. 3 watts, & 5 watts. I will select four 10 watt max input attenuators, one for each of those four transmitters, and have the following attenuations to choose from: 6dB, 10dB, 20dB, 30dB, 40dB. I will label each one with which transmitter if will be used to provide a safe input to the Tiny SA.

I do have a KAY Elemetrics model 520 step attenuator but have been unable to fins a spec sheet on it to let me know it max input in watts and the min & max attenuation steps in dBs, so I'm hesitant to use it for anything while I am in the dark on it specs.

EuGene, KA5NLY


 

EuGene,
You can check the attenuation steps of the Kay 520 by turning on the tinySA calibration signal and connecting your atttenuator to HIGH and LOW on the tinySA.? I think it is 0dB to 70dB in 10dB steps.? It should be good for at least 0.5 watts, and probably works reasonably well to at least 500MHz.? (I have seen one reference to it working up to 2GHz.)
--John Gord


On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:53 PM, bigusmith wrote:
Carsten,

I'm looking to get attenuators to use with various QRP transmitters baur am not sure how much dB of attenuation is needed to use for each of the QRP transmitters with the following watts output:? 0.5 watts, 1 watt. 3 watts, & 5 watts.? ?I will select four 10 watt max input attenuators, one for each of those four transmitters, and have the following attenuations to choose from: 6dB, 10dB, 20dB, 30dB, 40dB.? I will label each one with which transmitter if will be used to provide a safe input to the Tiny SA.

I do have a KAY Elemetrics model 520 step attenuator but have been unable to fins a spec sheet on it to let me know it max input in watts and the min & max attenuation steps in dBs, so I'm hesitant to use it for anything while I am in the dark on it specs.

EuGene, KA5NLY


 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:17 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
I don¡¯t recollect immediately if a lower input than 10dBm gives you better results with the tinySA.
When measuring harmonics of a transmitter you want maximum spur free dynamic range of the tinySA.
This spur free dynamic range depends on the input level at the mixer. With +10dBm input the mixer will see at least -20dbm which is not optimal
For best measurement results try to get the input level to the tinySA between -25dBm and -15dBm so you can still use the built in attenuator to optimize the measurement
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Eugene,
I would not put more than 100mw into that Kay. It is a 10 db step attenuator 0-70db. Why get separate attenuators for each transmitter? Just use one transmitter under test at a time. Get a 30db 10 watt attenuator. That makes a watt to milliwatt converter. So then your various transmitters are converted to -3, 0, 3 and 7 dbm. These are all safe levels for the tinysa. If you want, you could add your Kay 520 on the output of the 30db attenuator to reduce by about 10-20 db more.
Gary
W9TD


 

Spec sheet says the Kay 520 is rated for half a watt.? If it were my attenuator, I wouldn't push my luck.