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Spur at 4.275 GHz on ZS-407


 

Hello Erik and everyone.

I've recently purchased a TinySA Ultra+ from a local vendor and the unit has an issue.
It is a ZS-407 with HW version V0.5.4 and S/N SU-407-25011571.
It has a spur at ~4.275 GHz that is present regardless of the Spur Removal or Sample Rep settings:?
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When I narrow the frequency bandwidth to 100kHz and turn off Spur Removal, I see that the "spur" is actually five pulses:?
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The instrument passes the self test and calibration successfully.
This issue was present in the factory firmware (I believe it was V1.4-195) and is still present after upgrading to the latest V1.4-197.

The vendor has checked a few other units they have in stock and they show the same spur:
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The vendor assures me that the units are genuine and that they get them directly from ZeenKo.
I also have an older TinySA Ultra (up to 5.3 GHz, ZS-405 maybe, it has no model number on it) and it has no such anomalies.

So my questions are:

- Is this device really genuine?
- Is this a known issue?
- Is it faulty hardware?
- How can this be fixed (if it's possible)?
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Thank you!
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Best wishes,
Andrew
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PS: This is the device in question:
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Do the spurs increase in level when you attach the telescopic antenna?
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Can you check if you see similar spurs at 1069 MHz, 2138 MHz and 4276 MHz?
I assumed these where solved but if you still see them I have to do some more work.
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Designer of the tinySA
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Do the spurs increase in level when you attach the telescopic antenna?
No, it remains the same. And it is present even when the RF input is short-circuited with the VNA calibration "S" cap.
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Can you check if you see similar spurs at 1069 MHz, 2138 MHz and 4276 MHz?
Not exactly at those frequencies (or that is just a measurement error), but some of them are there with Spur Removal turned off. When I set it to On or Auto, they are gone, except for the one at 4.276 GHz.?


 

OK, let me try to improve the situation at 4.3 GHz
Just to be sure, there is nothing wrong with the HW.
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Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to


 

Erik, I too have the 4.766GHz spur as described by Andrew. as purchased from R&L a couple months ago. The attached plot #1? is with a terminated input, Spur Removal? ON. No change with the external antenna. I don't see any other spurs. Plot #2 is the same with the Spur Removal OFF.

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From: "Erik Kaashoek"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday March 25 2025 6:54:59AM
Subject: Re: [tinysa] Spur at 4.275 GHz on ZS-407

Can you check if you see similar spurs at 1069 MHz, 2138 MHz and 4276 MHz?
I assumed these where solved but if you still see them I have to do some more work.
--
Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to


 

Correction on my previous mail frequency is 4.2766 GHz (typo). On the plot with spur removal off Markers 4 & 7 appear to be ambient ingress not spurs.?

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From: "Ted Chesley"
To: "[email protected]"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday March 25 2025 8:47:28AM
Subject: Re: [tinysa] Spur at 4.275 GHz on ZS-407

Erik, I too have the 4.766GHz spur as described by Andrew. as purchased from R&L a couple months ago. The attached plot #1? is with a terminated input, Spur Removal? ON. No change with the external antenna. I don't see any other spurs. Plot #2 is the same with the Spur Removal OFF.

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From: "Erik Kaashoek"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday March 25 2025 6:54:59AM
Subject: Re: [tinysa] Spur at 4.275 GHz on ZS-407

Can you check if you see similar spurs at 1069 MHz, 2138 MHz and 4276 MHz?
I assumed these where solved but if you still see them I have to do some more work.
--
Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to


 

Let me make a joke:?The next person that complains about spurs in Ultra mode with spur reduction forced off gets banned from this group :-)
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Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to


 

I have a similar prob?although not quite as bad, the rear of my 407 is the same as Andrew's except the serial # as expected. Mine also appears to be a little later as the serial # is greater. I've duplicated?the first 4 images for comparison.

Dave

On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 at 02:36, Erik Kaashoek via <erik=[email protected]> wrote:
OK, let me try to improve the situation at 4.3 GHz
Just to be sure, there is nothing wrong with the HW.
--
Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to


 

I can confirm that the latest firmware has fixed the spurs as reported on my ZS-407.
after installing the latest firmware did a self test - all ok, but
I notice that the reference level (top left) and the minimum level (bottom left) is red
Performed a LEVEL CAL now all?back to normal.?

Thank you Erik.

Dave?

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 at 17:15, VK3DPM Dave via <davepm=[email protected]> wrote:
I have a similar prob?although not quite as bad, the rear of my 407 is the same as Andrew's except the serial # as expected. Mine also appears to be a little later as the serial # is greater. I've duplicated?the first 4 images for comparison.

Dave

On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 at 02:36, Erik Kaashoek via <erik=[email protected]> wrote:
OK, let me try to improve the situation at 4.3 GHz
Just to be sure, there is nothing wrong with the HW.
--
Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to