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How do people keep getting clones? #tinysa


 

Hello Erik,

Thank you for developing the tinySA.

You keep telling people where to buy an original. ?How the hell do some keep getting clones. ?Are the recommended dealers somehow receiving clones and then selling them as originals? ?You must be tired of answering questions about clones.

Thus, if the recommended dealers aren't selling clones, why do people keep asking for help when they must have NOT FOLLOWED YOUR ADVICE AS TO FROM WHOM TO BUY.

I love my 2 originals I bought from R&L. ?With all the questions about fake tinySAes, I worry that somehow I got a clone from R&L. ?Simply, if recommended dealers are selling originals, WHY ARE PEOPLE BUYING CLONES?

Thank you for your efforts! ? ? ? ? ?larry


 

Hi Larry. I bought my tinySA in the first shipment available from Zeenko (they had maybe 100 units available). I asked in another post about the graph, just to be able to compare the result with other equipment sold here in Brazil.?/g/tinysa/message/5481
Sellers claim to buy from official representatives, but with so many clones, it's hard to tell.?


M0PWX
 

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I came here after being recommended ?to join the group in the QRPLabs groups as I was looking at getting a TinySA

?

Looking at the information about how to spot a fake, mainly by serial number I checked a couple of ebay stores and all seemed to show the real type of serial numbers in the photos of the product but I suspect they were fakes

?

I had a few issues with this relating to RTL-SDR¡¯s s well, the stores on ebay / amazon etc use images and information from the real deal its only when you get the device you find its a fake and a poor copy

?

The webstores are good at making the product look genuine without actually claiming it to be, so can¡¯t easily be prosecuted for misrepresentation

?

I have looked at the UK reseller recommended its about ?15 more expensive than the ¡°genuine¡± ebay ones, but I will pay the extra and get it from there, saves a lot of problems later down the line

?

73

Peter

M0PWX

?

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From: Lawrance A. Schneider

?

Hello Erik,

Thank you for developing the tinySA.

You keep telling people where to buy an original. ?How the hell do some keep getting clones. ?Are the recommended dealers somehow receiving clones and then selling them as originals? ?You must be tired of answering questions about clones.

Thus, if the recommended dealers aren't selling clones, why do people keep asking for help when they must have NOT FOLLOWED YOUR ADVICE AS TO FROM WHOM TO BUY.

I love my 2 originals I bought from R&L. ?With all the questions about fake tinySAes, I worry that somehow I got a clone from R&L. ?Simply, if recommended dealers are selling originals, WHY ARE PEOPLE BUYING CLONES?

Thank you for your efforts! ? ? ? ? ?larry

?


 

Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform themselves about the tinysA
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For more info on the tinySA go to https://tinysa.org/wiki/


 

Erik

hi I would just like to echo Larry's comments, the TinySA is a brilliant piece of kit ...

?... I bought my TinySA from a UK supplier that was listed as a recommended? UK dealer - and I paid in full straight away, i.e. I purchased in good faith.?

As far as I can tell? my TinySA is genuine, the self tests run but I have not had to put it to any further tests, or upgrade firmware.

Erik,
I can understand your ire that 'non perfect' copies are infringing your intellectual copyright and tarnishing your Trademark, logo and reputation, but where do those who bought from a genuine source stand when the "genuine source", for one reason or another, drops of the list and our genuine items morph into clones??
The TinkSA price is a bargain and every Radio Amateur's dream come true but in relative terms it is still a significant amount for a home enthusiast to purchase, it is galling to think the investment made in good faith may become a piece of 'silicon' scrap.

I intended to buy a 2nd SA to use as a tracking generator and maybe the 'VNA as well, but where do I do my shopping?? If my 1st purchase transpires to be a clone what can I do ???

There ought to be a simple way for you to protect your products and the interests of those who purchase it.
Thank you for your efforts!


 

To be sure to buy a genuine tinySA have a look at the "where to buy" list:?
Look at the serial number at the back of your tinySA.
If the number starts with "AD" its a clone.
------------------------------------------
For more info on the tinySA go to https://tinysa.org/wiki/


 

PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
Release date: 03/12/2021
FAKE NEWS
HUMOR

A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings are published in the February issue of QST magazine.

Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio Amateur:

Amount Spent Pain level
=================================================================================
$00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
$03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a replacement
for less.
$05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
replacement items.
$10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being drawn up.
$20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
devices.
Table 1

A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases, observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:

1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is spending any money".
2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that thing, and I'm not giving it away".
Table 2

The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning center of the brain.

Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4, and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.

In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne transmission are becoming apparent.

Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make statements such as:

1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it for half that.
4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
Table 3

The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.



On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform themselves about the tinysA
--
------------------------------------------
For more info on the tinySA go to
73,
Dave,


 

Hit the atom right on the nucleus.

John
VE7KKQ


On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 7:37 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave@...> wrote:
PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
Release date: 03/12/2021
FAKE NEWS
HUMOR

A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
are published in the February issue of QST magazine.

Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
Amateur:

Amount Spent Pain level
=================================================================================
$00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
$03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
replacement
? ? ? ? ? for less.
$05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
? ? ? ? ? replacement items.
$10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
drawn up.
$20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
? ? ? ? ? devices.
Table 1

A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:

? ? ?1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
spending any money".
? ? ?2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
thing, and I'm not giving it away".
Table 2

The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
center of the brain.

Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.

In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
transmission are becoming apparent.

Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
statements such as:

? ? ?1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
? ? ?2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
? ? ?3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
for half that.
? ? ?4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
Table 3

The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.



On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
> Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
> themselves about the tinysA
> --
> ------------------------------------------
> For more info on the tinySA go to
>
73,
Dave,








 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this sadly debilitating disease
Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.

Regards,

Martin


 

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Erik ¨C it¡¯s a shame that the cloners have ripped off your product like this.? This is a global issue that is happening more and more often and, quite honestly, I take the point of view that a lot of what¡¯s for sale through Amazon is at a much higher risk of being fake, and try to be cautious (and buy elsewhere).? You would think that a company the size of Amazon would clamp down and actively prevent fake products from going through their systems.

?

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of Erik Kaashoek <erik@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, August 23, 2021 at 6:46 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [tinysa] How do people keep getting clones? #tinysa

?

To be sure to buy a genuine tinySA have a look at the "where to buy" list:?

Look at the serial number at the back of your tinySA.
If the number starts with "AD" its a clone.
------------------------------------------

For more info on the tinySA go to https://tinysa.org/wiki/


M0PWX
 

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Gets worse,

?

They spend thousand on a rig, mega bucks on antenna and tower, then feed it with a 30 year old RG58 from their scrap box then moan everything is rubbish

?

73

Peter

M0PWX

?

Sent from for Windows

?

From: Martin via groups.io
Sent: 23 August 2021 15:05

?

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:

The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this sadly debilitating disease

Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.

Regards,

Martin

_._,_._,_


 

or reuse a PL259...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)

ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 8/23/21 8:49 AM, M0PWX wrote:
Gets worse,
They spend thousand on a rig, mega bucks on antenna and tower, then feed it with a 30 year old RG58 from their scrap box then moan everything is rubbish
73
Peter
M0PWX
Sent from Mail <> for Windows
*From: *Martin via groups.io
*Sent: *23 August 2021 15:05
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in
this sadly debilitating disease
Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.
Regards,
Martin


 

It's an epidemic in the ham community and has been for decades. An antenna, and the line that connects it, is the heart of a ham station. I'd much rather run an old hand-me-down rig with a properly installed antenna than a multi-thousand dollar rig and a garbage antenna or feedline. And the antenna doesn't have to be BIG -- it just needs to be installed RIGHT.

Steve, KW4H
Tucson, AZ

?On 8/23/21, 9:19 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave (NK7Z)" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:

or reuse a PL259...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)

ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 8/23/21 8:49 AM, M0PWX wrote:
> Gets worse,
>
> They spend thousand on a rig, mega bucks on antenna and tower, then feed
> it with a 30 year old RG58 from their scrap box then moan everything is
> rubbish
>
> 73
>
> Peter
>
> M0PWX
>
> Sent from Mail <> for Windows
>
> *From: *Martin via groups.io
> *Sent: *23 August 2021 15:05
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
>
> The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in
> this sadly debilitating disease
>
> Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the
> cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martin
>
>


 

Steve and all,

You make a good point but...

Antennas and feed systems don't have flashing lights, fancy colourful displays and knobs, plus the "Oh Wow" factor missing.

John
VE7KKQ


On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:28 AM Steven Reed <reedsteve59@...> wrote:
It's an epidemic in the ham community and has been for decades.? An antenna, and the line that connects it, is the heart of a ham station.? I'd much rather run an old hand-me-down rig with a properly installed antenna than a multi-thousand dollar rig and a garbage antenna or feedline.? And the antenna doesn't have to be BIG -- it just needs to be installed RIGHT.

Steve, KW4H
Tucson, AZ

?On 8/23/21, 9:19 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave (NK7Z)" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:

? ? or reuse a PL259...

? ? 73, and thanks,
? ? Dave (NK7Z)
? ?
? ? ARRL Volunteer Examiner
? ? ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
? ? ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

? ? On 8/23/21 8:49 AM, M0PWX wrote:
? ? > Gets worse,
? ? >
? ? > They spend thousand on a rig, mega bucks on antenna and tower, then feed
? ? > it with a 30 year old RG58 from their scrap box then moan everything is
? ? > rubbish
? ? >
? ? > 73
? ? >
? ? > Peter
? ? >
? ? > M0PWX
? ? >
? ? > Sent from Mail <> for Windows
? ? >
? ? > *From: *Martin via
? ? > *Sent: *23 August 2021 15:05
? ? >
? ? > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
? ? >
? ? >? ? ?The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in
? ? >? ? ?this sadly debilitating disease
? ? >
? ? > Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the
? ? > cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.
? ? >
? ? > Regards,
? ? >
? ? > Martin
? ? >
? ? >











 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 06:19 PM, John wrote:
Antennas and feed systems don't have flashing lights, fancy colourful displays and knobs, plus the "Oh Wow" factor missing.
We have a TV/comms tower on the nearby hill with some nice bright red flashy lights scattered up it, helps stop the hairplanes bumping into it.
They've also been known to sometimes attach powerful lasers to it as well purely to make pretty colourful night light lines going far across the sky (tends to upset the local home based astronomers though).
?


 

I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :) Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700
"Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote:

PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
Release date: 03/12/2021
FAKE NEWS
HUMOR

A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
are published in the February issue of QST magazine.

Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
Amateur:

Amount Spent Pain level
=================================================================================
$00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
$03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
replacement
for less.
$05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
replacement items.
$10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
drawn up.
$20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
devices.
Table 1

A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:

1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
spending any money".
2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
thing, and I'm not giving it away".
Table 2

The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
center of the brain.

Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.

In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
transmission are becoming apparent.

Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
statements such as:

1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
for half that.
4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
Table 3

The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.



On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
themselves about the tinysA
--
------------------------------------------
For more info on the tinySA go to
73,
Dave,







 

Jim,

That is how it starts... Good luck! :)

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)

ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 8/23/21 5:53 PM, Jim Shorney wrote:
I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :) Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone.
73
-Jim
NU0C
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700
"Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote:

PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release
Release date: 03/12/2021
FAKE NEWS
HUMOR

A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
are published in the February issue of QST magazine.

Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
Amateur:

Amount Spent Pain level
=================================================================================
$00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
$03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
replacement
for less.
$05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
replacement items.
$10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
drawn up.
$20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
devices.
Table 1

A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:

1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
spending any money".
2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
thing, and I'm not giving it away".
Table 2

The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
center of the brain.

Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.

In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
transmission are becoming apparent.

Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
statements such as:

1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
for half that.
4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
Table 3

The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.



On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
themselves about the tinysA
--
------------------------------------------
For more info on the tinySA go to
73,
Dave,







 

It's not so much that people are cheap. The clones are not significantly less expensive than buying a genuine tinySA from the Zeenko store on Alibaba or Ali Express, or from R&L in the US. They are a bit cheaper than buying from Eleshop (Europe) or Mirfield (UK). It's more that they are impatient; it can take weeks to receive one through the Zeenko?store unless you're willing to pay a high shipping fee, and the authorized resellers are often out of stock. The official store is also sometimes out of stock.

So people try to buy them from eBay or Amazon sellers because they can get them faster. And occasionally somebody sells authentic tinySA there. But you're far more likely to get a clone.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:53 PM Jim Shorney <jshorney@...> wrote:

I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :)? Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700
"Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote:

> PRESS RELEASE
> For immediate release
> Release date: 03/12/2021
> FAKE NEWS
> HUMOR
>
> A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas
> Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes
> potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They
> identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the
> hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings
> are published in the February issue of QST magazine.
>
> Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that
> involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around
> neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how
> small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio
> Amateur:
>
> Amount Spent Pain level
> =================================================================================
> $00.00 - $03.00 Little to none
> $03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a
> replacement
>? ? ? ? ? ?for less.
> $05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for
>? ? ? ? ? ?replacement items.
> $10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being
> drawn up.
> $20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement
>? ? ? ? ? ?devices.
> Table 1
>
> A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a
> replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the
> process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for
> the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur
> Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness
> Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to
> the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases,
> observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:
>
>? ? ? 1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is
> spending any money".
>? ? ? 2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that
> thing, and I'm not giving it away".
> Table 2
>
> The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the
> first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning
> center of the brain.
>
> Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene
> JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4,
> and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted
> these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.
>
> In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was
> actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this
> disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur
> Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio
> population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne
> transmission are becoming apparent.
>
> Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and
> cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were
> some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make
> statements such as:
>
>? ? ? 1. I bet I can build that for half the price.
>? ? ? 2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars.
>? ? ? 3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it
> for half that.
>? ? ? 4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price.
> Table 3
>
> The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this
> sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a
> single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.
>
>
>
> On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
> > Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform
> > themselves about the tinysA
> > --
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> > For more info on the tinySA go to
> >? ?
> 73,
> Dave,
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I¡¯d love to help with the research. Where can I send $3.00?
Logan, KE7AZ

Entropy is winning.


 

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 12:42 AM, KE7AZ wrote:
I¡¯d love to help with the research. Where can I send $3.00?
Hello Logan,
Go to:
The last chapter is "Donations".
Click on the link "donating".

73, Rudi DL5FA