Re: How do people keep getting clones?
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Jim,
That is how it starts... Good luck! :)
73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z)
ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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On 8/23/21 5:53 PM, Jim Shorney wrote: I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :) Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone. 73 -Jim NU0C On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700 "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote:
PRESS RELEASE For immediate release Release date: 03/12/2021 FAKE NEWS HUMOR
A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings are published in the February issue of QST magazine.
Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio Amateur:
Amount Spent Pain level ================================================================================= $00.00 - $03.00 Little to none $03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a replacement for less. $05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for replacement items. $10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being drawn up. $20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement devices. Table 1
A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases, observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:
1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is spending any money". 2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that thing, and I'm not giving it away". Table 2
The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning center of the brain.
Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4, and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.
In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne transmission are becoming apparent.
Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make statements such as:
1. I bet I can build that for half the price. 2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars. 3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it for half that. 4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price. Table 3
The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.
On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform themselves about the tinysA -- ------------------------------------------ For more info on the tinySA go to 73, Dave,
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Thanks. ?The supplier was R&L. ?They¡¯re good people, I¡¯ll contact them. ?Unfortunately this will be the second exchange, because the first one had display problems (dark spots on the right side of the screen). ?
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It does look like we made it, but the attenuator is broken, we suggest you contact your supplier for a new tinySA. we will provide the supplier with a new tinySA host.
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
It does look like we made it, but the attenuator is broken, we suggest you contact your supplier for a new tinySA. we will provide the supplier with a new tinySA host.
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
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I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. :) Besides, I bought one of the first run pre-order units directly. Definitely not a clone. 73 -Jim NU0C On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:37:37 -0700 "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@...> wrote: PRESS RELEASE For immediate release Release date: 03/12/2021 FAKE NEWS HUMOR
A research team led by Quincy Raymond Michales, and Quincy Thomas Holmes, of Miskatonic Medical University have discovered two new genes potentially involved in Amateur Radio Cheapness disease, or ACD. They identified them by exploring which genes were turned on and off in the hippocampus of people who suffered from the disease. The team's findings are published in the February issue of QST magazine.
Amateur Cheapness disease, (ACD), is a neurodegenerative disease that involves extreme pain and the formation of protein plaques around neurons in the brain when any amount of money is spent, no matter how small. A table below outlines the effects of spending on a typical Radio Amateur:
Amount Spent Pain level ================================================================================= $00.00 - $03.00 Little to none $03.01 - $05.00 Some pain noted, with slight thoughts of building a replacement for less. $05.01 - $10.00 Marked increase in pain, actual designs thought about for replacement items. $10.01 - $20.00 Sustained pain, over longer time frames, designs being drawn up. $20.01 - and above Extreme pain, and actual urges to construct replacement devices. Table 1
A secondary effect was also noted, once the Amateur decides to build a replacement item, (see $20.00 and above in Table 1), to save money, the process begins to feed upon itself, as the Amateur shops for parts for the replacement item, he/she, experiences the effects of Amateur Cheapness disease overlayed on top of the original Amateur Cheapness Disease infection. In some cases this becomes completely debilitating to the Amateur involved. This process is extremely painful. In some cases, observers have noted this fact by observing statements such as:
1. "Oh my God, its like the walking dead in this hamfest, no one is spending any money". 2. "You have got to be kidding me, I paid good money for that thing, and I'm not giving it away". Table 2
The hippocampus, part of the brain involved in memory, is one of the first regions to sustain massive damage, followed by the reasoning center of the brain.
Many genes were already known to contribute to the disease, such as gene JT-65, and gene FT-8, but two were unknown, FST4, and FST4W. The FST4, and FST4W gene action is as of yet unknown, the researchers simply noted these genes expressed at the time of hippocampus destruction.
In a related study, it was noted that the size of the hippocampus was actually reduced by up to 12% in Amateur Operators experiencing this disease. Further this second study indicates that ACD, (Amateur Cheapness disease), is far more prevalent in the Amateur Radio population than initially thought, and that signs of airborne transmission are becoming apparent.
Overall, the new findings improve our understanding of the genetic and cellular mechanisms that cause ACD. Also noted by the researchers were some tell tail signs of this disease. Effected Amateur may make statements such as:
1. I bet I can build that for half the price. 2. That's outrageous, when I was a Novice it only cost X dollars. 3. There's only like twenty bucks in parts here, I could build it for half that. 4. I only buy used if it is 25% of new price. Table 3
The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in this sadly debilitating disease, however they are far too many to cover in a single paper. Thus, more funding is requested for the effort.
On 8/23/21 6:17 AM, Erik Kaashoek wrote:
Many people buy first from the cheapest seller and only later inform themselves about the tinysA -- ------------------------------------------ For more info on the tinySA go to 73, Dave,
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Front and PCB:

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Can you provide further pictures of the front and internal PCB?
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Can you provide further pictures of the front and internal PCB?
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My TinySA doesn't do the attenuator test. All other tests pass OK. Older versions work fine.
Bobby/N4AU
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Hi,
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Here is a photo of the back of the unit, and of the failure.

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Can you provide?the pictures of the back and the failed self-test?
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Can you provide?the pictures of the back and the failed self-test?
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
I upgraded, ran the self-test, and got an ¡°attenuator fail¡±.? Ran the self-test more than once.?
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Try updating the firmware and running the self-test.? Clones will fail.
Roger
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Re: Checking for legitimacy
Try updating the firmware and running the self-test.? Clones will fail.
Roger
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Hi ¨C I just received a TinySA from a vendor listed as legit.? On the back of the unit, for the serial number, is just says ¡°SA-¡° and then nothing after that.? Just checking to make sure that this isn¡¯t a clone.
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Thanks ¨C Steve, KW4H
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 06:19 PM, John wrote:
Antennas and feed systems don't have flashing lights, fancy colourful displays and knobs, plus the "Oh Wow" factor missing.
We have a TV/comms tower on the nearby hill with some nice bright red flashy lights scattered up it, helps stop the hairplanes bumping into it. They've also been known to sometimes attach powerful lasers to it as well purely to make pretty colourful night light lines going far across the sky (tends to upset the local home based astronomers though).
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Thanks! That is what I was looking for!
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Not sure if this helps but, according to an app installed on my phone, anything above -90dBm is regarded as good, above -97dBm as marginal, above -102dBm as poor with -110dBm as the cut of as unreadable. I think that's what the OP was asking... John G0GCD
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Re: How do people keep getting clones?
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Steve and all,
You make a good point but...
Antennas and feed systems don't have flashing lights, fancy colourful displays and knobs, plus the "Oh Wow" factor missing.
John VE7KKQ
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It's an epidemic in the ham community and has been for decades.? An antenna, and the line that connects it, is the heart of a ham station.? I'd much rather run an old hand-me-down rig with a properly installed antenna than a multi-thousand dollar rig and a garbage antenna or feedline.? And the antenna doesn't have to be BIG -- it just needs to be installed RIGHT.
Steve, KW4H
Tucson, AZ
?On 8/23/21, 9:19 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave (NK7Z)" <[email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:
? ? or reuse a PL259...
? ? 73, and thanks,
? ? Dave (NK7Z)
? ?
? ? ARRL Volunteer Examiner
? ? ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
? ? ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
? ? On 8/23/21 8:49 AM, M0PWX wrote:
? ? > Gets worse,
? ? >
? ? > They spend thousand on a rig, mega bucks on antenna and tower, then feed
? ? > it with a 30 year old RG58 from their scrap box then moan everything is
? ? > rubbish
? ? >
? ? > 73
? ? >
? ? > Peter
? ? >
? ? > M0PWX
? ? >
? ? > Sent from Mail <> for Windows
? ? >
? ? > *From: *Martin via
? ? > *Sent: *23 August 2021 15:05
? ? >
? ? > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
? ? >
? ? >? ? ?The authors add, there are a number of other symptoms involved in
? ? >? ? ?this sadly debilitating disease
? ? >
? ? > Yeh, like spending thousands on a new radio, but still using the
? ? > cheapest bit of wet string available as the antenna.
? ? >
? ? > Regards,
? ? >
? ? > Martin
? ? >
? ? >
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Hi Erik, The new FW update is okay as far as I can see. Calibration goes fine. Thanks, 73 Wim.
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Just in case for quite reference.?
-80 dBW (dB) |
-50 dBm |
10 nW |
0 dBW (dB) |
30 dBm |
1.000000 W |
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 09:40 AM, John wrote:
-50dBm equates to 0.000000008 Watts, (1e-8)
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Well I was just wondering if anyone had measured theirs and whether it was considered a good signal.?
I am evaluating omni cell antennas for my Weboost for my camper van.
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