Re: Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 10:25 PM, Hugen wrote:
Many thanks to Erik's efforts, we expect to be able to launch tinySA ULTRA plus in the coming month!? Includes two versions, the ZS-406 and ZS-407...
Erik,
? ?When will the ZS-406 and ZS-407 be added to the Wiki?
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Herb
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Re: Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
Is it possible to get a preview of the prices of the new units ?
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Re: Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 10:25 PM, Hugen wrote:
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Parameter
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tinySA ULTRA
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tinySA ULTRA+ ZS-406
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tinySA ULTRA+ ZS-407
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Max low input frequency
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800MHz, 5.3GHz in Ultra mode
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800MHz, 5.4GHz in Ultra mode
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800MHz, 7.3GHz in Ultra mode
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In the table above, shouldn't the "Max low input frequency" be 900MHz for the ZS-406 and ZS-407 in the normal mode?
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Herb
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Re: Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
Can orders be placed now???
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On Nov 30, 2024, at 03:46, Hugen via groups.io <hugen@...> wrote:
? The DANL of the three products at 7 GHz are as follows
tinySA ULTRA? -127dBm/Hz
ZS-406 -132dBm/Hz
ZS-407 -157dBm/Hz
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You can consider the sensitivity at 7 GHz to be 5 dB better for the ZS-406 than the tinySA ULTRA and 30 dB better for the ZS-407 than the tinySA ULTRA.
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 03:53 PM, Ash McKenzie wrote:
This is amazing,
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May I ask will this make 7G analysis more sensitive ??
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Many Thanks?
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Re: Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
The DANL of the three products at 7 GHz are as follows
tinySA ULTRA? -127dBm/Hz
ZS-406 -132dBm/Hz
ZS-407 -157dBm/Hz
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You can consider the sensitivity at 7 GHz to be 5 dB better for the ZS-406 than the tinySA ULTRA and 30 dB better for the ZS-407 than the tinySA ULTRA.
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 03:53 PM, Ash McKenzie wrote:
This is amazing,
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May I ask will this make 7G analysis more sensitive ??
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Many Thanks?
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Re: Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
This is amazing,
May I ask will this make 7G analysis more sensitive ??
Many Thanks?
Many thanks to Erik's efforts, we expect to be able to launch tinySA ULTRA plus in the coming month!? Includes two versions, the ZS-406 and ZS-407, the ZS-406 will go on sale next week and the ZS-407 is expected to go on sale at the end of December.
The ZS-406 version is used to replace the current version of tinySA ULTRA,up to 900MHz in normal mode to cover the European 868MHz ISM band.
The ULTRA mode of the ZS-407 version can go up to 7.3 GHz without the use of harmonics, and the LNA is effective over the full frequency range. With LNA on at 6GHz, DANL is as low as 163dBm/Hz, possible to use the fastest 850kHz RBW to find small signals as low as -100dBm.
?
The look of tinySA ULTRA plus will remain the same as the current version of tinySA ULTRA, and the firmware will remain compatible with tinySA ULTRA, which means that any of your peripherals and apps developed for tinySA ULTRA can be seamlessly migrated to the new tinySA ULTRA plus.
?
Below are the pre-release specs, there may be some changes in the final version, the final version is based on what Erik has posted on the wiki.
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Parameter
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tinySA ULTRA
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tinySA ULTRA+ ZS-406
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tinySA ULTRA+ ZS-407
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Display size
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3.98” IPS-TFT LCD (480×320)
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3.98” IPS-TFT LCD (480×320)
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3.98” IPS-TFT LCD (480×320)
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Max low input frequency
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800MHz, 5.3GHz in Ultra mode
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800MHz, 5.4GHz in Ultra mode
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800MHz, 7.3GHz in Ultra mode
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Resolution filters in 1,3,10 steps
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from 200Hz to 850kHz
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from 200Hz to 850kHz
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from 200Hz to 850kHz
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Max output frequency
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Sinus up to 800MHz, Square wave up to 4.4GHz
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Sinus up to 900MHz, Square wave up to 4.4GHz
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Sinus up to 900MHz, Square wave up to 6.3GHz
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output level
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-115dBm to -19dBm
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-115dBm to -19dBm
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-115dBm to -19dBm
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Ultra mode
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Level calibrated up to 6GHz
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Level calibrated up to 6GHz
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Level calibrated up to 8GHz
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Internal LNA gain
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20dB up to 4GHz
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20dB up to 4GHz
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20dB up to 7.3GHz
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Displayed points per scan
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max 450
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max 450
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max 450
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0-350MHz scan time
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165ms
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165ms
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165ms
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Shortest zero span time
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14 ms for 450 points
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14 ms for 450 points
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14 ms for 450 points
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DANL at 100MHz
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-153dBm/Hz (LNA Off) / -169dBm/Hz (LNA On)
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-153dBm/Hz (LNA Off) / -169dBm/Hz (LNA On)
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-153dBm/Hz (LNA Off) / -169dBm/Hz (LNA On)
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DANL degrading in ultra mode
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10dB above 3GHz, 25dB above 5.3GHz
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5dB above 3GHz, 20dB above 5.4GHz
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5dB above 5GHz, 24dB above 7.3GHz
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Phase noise at 10kHz offset
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-92dBc/Hz
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-92dBc/Hz
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-100dBc/Hz
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Phase noise at 100kHz offset
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-108dBc/Hz
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-108dBc/Hz
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-103dBc/Hz
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Input 1dB compression level
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+0.5dBm (LNA Off) / -26.5dBm (LNA On)
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+0.5dBm (LNA Off) / -26.5dBm (LNA On)
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+0.5dBm (LNA Off) / -25dBm (LNA On)
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IIP3 without LNA
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+18dBm (at least 2MHz apart) / 0dBm (500Hz apart)
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+18dBm (at least 2MHz apart) / 0dBm (500Hz apart)
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+18dBm (at least 2MHz apart) / 0dBm (500Hz apart)
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IIP3 with LNA
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-8dBm (at least 2MHz apart)
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-8dBm (at least 2MHz apart)
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-8dBm (at least 2MHz apart)
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Frequency stability
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<1ppm ( -10℃ ~ +55℃)
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<1ppm ( -10℃ ~ +55℃)
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<1ppm ( -10℃ ~ +55℃)
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SD card slot
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micro SD card
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micro SD card
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micro SD card
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Audio out
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3.5mm headphone plug
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3.5mm headphone plug
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3.5mm headphone plug
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FW update mode activation
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Push jog button before switch on
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Push jog button before switch on
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Push jog button before switch on
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Maximum current consumption
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330mA
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350mA
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400mA
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Maximum charging current
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1300mA
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1300mA
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1300mA
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Battery
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Li-polymer 3.7V 3000mAh
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Li-polymer 3.7V 5000mAh
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Li-polymer 3.7V 5000mAh
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RF connectors
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SMA female
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SMA female
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SMA female
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Communication Interface
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USB-CDC(Type-C)，UART-TTL(2.54mm Connector)
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USB-CDC(Type-C)，UART-TTL(2.54mm Connector)
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USB-CDC(Type-C)，UART-TTL(2.54mm Connector)
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Appearance Size
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117x72x23mm (Excluding protruding parts)
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117x72x23mm (Excluding protruding parts)
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117x72x23mm (Excluding protruding parts)
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Pre-sale, tinySA ULTRA plus
Many thanks to Erik's efforts, we expect to be able to launch tinySA ULTRA plus in the coming month!? Includes two versions, the ZS-406 and ZS-407, the ZS-406 will go on sale next week and the ZS-407 is expected to go on sale at the end of December.
The ZS-406 version is used to replace the current version of tinySA ULTRA,up to 900MHz in normal mode to cover the European 868MHz ISM band.
The ULTRA mode of the ZS-407 version can go up to 7.3 GHz without the use of harmonics, and the LNA is effective over the full frequency range. With LNA on at 6GHz, DANL is as low as 163dBm/Hz, possible to use the fastest 850kHz RBW to find small signals as low as -100dBm.
?
The look of tinySA ULTRA plus will remain the same as the current version of tinySA ULTRA, and the firmware will remain compatible with tinySA ULTRA, which means that any of your peripherals and apps developed for tinySA ULTRA can be seamlessly migrated to the new tinySA ULTRA plus.
?
Below are the pre-release specs, there may be some changes in the final version, the final version is based on what Erik has posted on the wiki.
|
Parameter
|
tinySA ULTRA
|
tinySA ULTRA+ ZS-406
|
tinySA ULTRA+ ZS-407
|
|
Display size
|
3.98” IPS-TFT LCD (480×320)
|
3.98” IPS-TFT LCD (480×320)
|
3.98” IPS-TFT LCD (480×320)
|
|
Max low input frequency
|
800MHz, 5.3GHz in Ultra mode
|
800MHz, 5.4GHz in Ultra mode
|
800MHz, 7.3GHz in Ultra mode
|
|
Resolution filters in 1,3,10 steps
|
from 200Hz to 850kHz
|
from 200Hz to 850kHz
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from 200Hz to 850kHz
|
|
Max output frequency
|
Sinus up to 800MHz, Square wave up to 4.4GHz
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Sinus up to 900MHz, Square wave up to 4.4GHz
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Sinus up to 900MHz, Square wave up to 6.3GHz
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|
output level
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-115dBm to -19dBm
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-115dBm to -19dBm
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-115dBm to -19dBm
|
|
Ultra mode
|
Level calibrated up to 6GHz
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Level calibrated up to 6GHz
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Level calibrated up to 8GHz
|
|
Internal LNA gain
|
20dB up to 4GHz
|
20dB up to 4GHz
|
20dB up to 7.3GHz
|
|
Displayed points per scan
|
max 450
|
max 450
|
max 450
|
|
0-350MHz scan time
|
165ms
|
165ms
|
165ms
|
|
Shortest zero span time
|
14 ms for 450 points
|
14 ms for 450 points
|
14 ms for 450 points
|
|
DANL at 100MHz
|
-153dBm/Hz (LNA Off) / -169dBm/Hz (LNA On)
|
-153dBm/Hz (LNA Off) / -169dBm/Hz (LNA On)
|
-153dBm/Hz (LNA Off) / -169dBm/Hz (LNA On)
|
|
DANL degrading in ultra mode
|
10dB above 3GHz, 25dB above 5.3GHz
|
5dB above 3GHz, 20dB above 5.4GHz
|
5dB above 5GHz, 24dB above 7.3GHz
|
|
Phase noise at 10kHz offset
|
-92dBc/Hz
|
-92dBc/Hz
|
-100dBc/Hz
|
|
Phase noise at 100kHz offset
|
-108dBc/Hz
|
-108dBc/Hz
|
-103dBc/Hz
|
|
Input 1dB compression level
|
+0.5dBm (LNA Off) / -26.5dBm (LNA On)
|
+0.5dBm (LNA Off) / -26.5dBm (LNA On)
|
+0.5dBm (LNA Off) / -25dBm (LNA On)
|
|
IIP3 without LNA
|
+18dBm (at least 2MHz apart) / 0dBm (500Hz apart)
|
+18dBm (at least 2MHz apart) / 0dBm (500Hz apart)
|
+18dBm (at least 2MHz apart) / 0dBm (500Hz apart)
|
|
IIP3 with LNA
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-8dBm (at least 2MHz apart)
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-8dBm (at least 2MHz apart)
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-8dBm (at least 2MHz apart)
|
|
Frequency stability
|
<1ppm ( -10℃ ~ +55℃)
|
<1ppm ( -10℃ ~ +55℃)
|
<1ppm ( -10℃ ~ +55℃)
|
|
SD card slot
|
micro SD card
|
micro SD card
|
micro SD card
|
|
Audio out
|
3.5mm headphone plug
|
3.5mm headphone plug
|
3.5mm headphone plug
|
|
FW update mode activation
|
Push jog button before switch on
|
Push jog button before switch on
|
Push jog button before switch on
|
|
Maximum current consumption
|
330mA
|
350mA
|
400mA
|
|
Maximum charging current
|
1300mA
|
1300mA
|
1300mA
|
|
Battery
|
Li-polymer 3.7V 3000mAh
|
Li-polymer 3.7V 5000mAh
|
Li-polymer 3.7V 5000mAh
|
|
RF connectors
|
SMA female
|
SMA female
|
SMA female
|
|
Communication Interface
|
USB-CDC(Type-C)，UART-TTL(2.54mm Connector)
|
USB-CDC(Type-C)，UART-TTL(2.54mm Connector)
|
USB-CDC(Type-C)，UART-TTL(2.54mm Connector)
|
|
Appearance Size
|
117x72x23mm (Excluding protruding parts)
|
117x72x23mm (Excluding protruding parts)
|
117x72x23mm (Excluding protruding parts)
|
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
It seems permanently resolved now!
Following the advice of the last messages I had also tried with a
professional semi-rigid cable, 2 ferrite cores, screen with
aluminum. Great tips to use in measurements and I will follow. In
this case, however: same error.
But, with the battery fully charged and tinySA connected to a USB
power supply, the test is now OK.? I have tried again several times
and the tests were always passed.
So it is not an interference error, but an error caused by low
charge level.
Thank you all for your valuable advice.
Al
Il 28/11/2024 22:40, Erik Kaashoek ha
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Can you test if using a powered USB hub for the tinySA makes
a difference?
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
that's why I use a rigid coax (ex Agilent SA)
adri
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----- Messaggio originale -----
Inviato: 29/11/2024 02:19:41
Oggetto: Re: [tinysa] tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
The RG174 cable supplied with the tinySA is single shielded and has poor immunity to interference, try to keep it away from the switching power supply.
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
I only use a low noise linear supply with my TinySA and liteVNA. I power the hub also with the linear supply, with the supply from the computer disabled inside the hub. Moreover, I also only use USB cables with molded ferrite cores on both ends. This keeps the screens free of any external spurs introduced by the USB port.
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John
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Re: New FW release: Bug fixes and DRAWPAD function
hi,
alter upgrading my tinySA ULTRA to fw 187 I have trouble by connecting my laptop. After around 40 sec the connection is gone.  if I go back to the previous fw everything works well. Is this a known trouble? btw, TinySA Ultra is a fantastic tool!! 73, PA0MIK (Gerrit)
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
Now that selftest works, you have a portable spectrum analyze with whip antenna. Go hunt for the spur :-)
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
The RG174 cable supplied with the tinySA is single shielded and has poor immunity to interference, try to keep it away from the switching power supply.
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
Can you test if using a powered USB hub for the tinySA makes a difference?
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Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit? Solved.
Spurs ?? Harmonics ??
All the way to the left looks like part of one, then another on
screen, then a couple of very little pips then a bigger one, etc.?
If they are harmonics would the distance between indicate the
fundamental frequency.
Do you have a Uninterruptible backup power supply ?? Can you plug
your computer into a more remove outlet in case emissions are
conducted ?? Or other peripheral that powers up and down, or goes
into standby with your computer being on or off ?
Especially if you use your computer and USB to record data for notes
etc, having to turn off the computer is a disadvantage.
On 11/28/24 12:49 PM, bitliner via
groups.io wrote:
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I live in a detached house on the hill in my town spaced apart
from other houses and do not have much interference.
After many tests I realized that the interference is caused only
when the computer is on (I tried to turn on only the 2 monitors,
but they do not give interference).
If I turn off the computer and the 2 monitors are on, no error,
all tests are passed.
If I turn on the computer (ASUS TUF i9-10900x 10 Core 3.70GHz +
nvidia 4090 + 64 GB RAM) the self test gives error 3.
I attach the screenshot
This is something to remember if measurements are to be made.
Probably a $33,000 HP spectrum analyzer under the same
circumstances would not give error :))
Al
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I live in a detached house on the hill in my town spaced apart from
other houses and do not have much interference.
After many tests I realized that the interference is caused only
when the computer is on (I tried to turn on only the 2 monitors, but
they do not give interference).
If I turn off the computer and the 2 monitors are on, no error, all
tests are passed.
If I turn on the computer (ASUS TUF i9-10900x 10 Core 3.70GHz +
nvidia 4090 + 64 GB RAM) the self test gives error 3.
I attach the screenshot
This is something to remember if measurements are to be made.
Probably a $33,000 HP spectrum analyzer under the same circumstances
would not give error :))
Al
Il 28/11/2024 17:18, Erik Kaashoek ha
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THis is what test 3 should look like
Your levels are all correct except for the spurs,
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit?
Might you have a strong local AM broadcast station near 1000 KHz?
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit?
THis is what test 3 should look like
Your levels are all correct except for the spurs,
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Designer of the tinySA
For more info go to
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit?
Seems there is a rather strong 1 MHz interference
Can't understand how that could be generated inside the tinySA
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Re: tinySA software counterfeit?
Is it interference from the neighborhood?
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