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Relating noise figure/noise temperature to displayed power on the tinysaultra
My TinySAultra noise figure came up as 5.7dB. That's a noise temperature, T of around 750K. When displaying up to 800MHz, with 850kHz bandwidth on each point, it displays a noise level of around -90dB for each point. I'm using P =kTB to calculate the power, so P = 1.38E-23 x 750 x 850k which gives 8.8E-15 W or -110dBm. That's exactly 20dBm too small. However, when I switch on the LNA, the noise floor drops to exactly -110dBm. Should not the noise floor without the LNA switched on be -110dBm? |
Re: TinySA Ultra "Self Test 10 Stopband Fail" , but then passes.
My (4G) phone was about 50cm away which could be about right for the 800Mhz region and there's wifi access points all over the place but they'd be at higher frequencies, and not be transmitting for about 5-10 minutes while I ran multiple self-tests all of which showed similar responses, and then go silent and stay like it. I think?
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Wouldn't the transmissions need to be pretty close/loud to exceed the limit when a 30cm cable is directly connecting the CAL and RF ports and (ideally) screening out any external signals?
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if only I had a tool to track down the source of mysterious radio signals... ;)
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Re: Access traces from the SD card via USB cable
Won't the TinySA App allow you to get screen captures at least (Windows PrtScn) On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 12:02?PM christiantauler via <christiantauler=[email protected]> wrote:
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Access traces from the SD card via USB cable
Hi, I am trying out my friend's tinySA. I'm hoping to replace my RF Explorer if I can get this issue resolved.
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One thing I cannot figure out is how to get the traces off the SD card just by connecting the tinySA to my Mac via the USB C cable. Any advice on an easy way to do this? This is a dealbreaker for me because I really don't want to fumble around with micro SD cards while I'm working on site. |
TinySA Ultra "Self Test 10 Stopband Fail" , but then passes.
After updating the firmware on my new TinySA Ultra, it repeatedly failed self test 10 with a "Stopband Fail" message. However, it then began passing and no amount of fiddling with the connector tightness/looseness seems to be able to reproduce it. Here's the failed plot; Now that it's passing, the right hand side is consistently about the same level as the left side, a nice 15dB below the limit.
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Any suggestion about what this could indicate? I bought it before reading about clones and official sellers, but did a firmware dump before updating. It shipped with v1.4-156-g4eb315d , so I compared the dump with the downloadable .bin file of the same version, and they differ in that six bytes from 0x21E4A to 0x21E4F are 0xFF in the dump vs 0x00 in the legit .bin file, which could be normal if an .elf file was used for the original and those few bytes in between blocks were left unprogrammed.
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Re: 50dB Tap
Also you have to note that there is a significant difference in the function of a Tap and an attenuator.
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A Tap allows the main signal to pass through with only a very small disturbance, with a very small portion 'tapped' off to the measuring instrument. An Attenuator on the other hand has to absorb most of the power and only pass the residue to the test equipment. Each has its own use but should not be confused. Taps can be very frequency dependant, depending on how they are constructed, whilst attenuators generally keep their value over a wide band. A better way to implement a tap is to use a wide band directional coupler with an attenuator of the appropriate vale on the sampled output. 73 Jeff G8HUL -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy G0FTD via groups.io Sent: 21 July 2024 20:17 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [tinysa] 50dB Tap On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:19 PM, Terry W7AMI wrote: Andy, I thought that the thread started when it was asked for the plans to build an RF tap. He was quickly told that they were rubbish, to not even try to build one, and to buy some expensive kit instead. No one asked what he needed it for or how he intended to use it. My point was that while it's nice to have precision test equipment and accessories it isn't always needed to get worthwhile results. Hence the good enough statement. And I acknowledge what you say. The original post didn't really specify the measurement task, and as usual there was some degree of supposition involved,a position than many of us still fall into the trap of. Depending upon what the user requires, a tap with a suitable attenuation level may well be perfectly adequate if you wish to observe some simple close in spurs within a few Mhz. But of course these days with easy access to wideband transmitting equipment, it's also fair game to assume that the average user might well be looking at someVHF / UHF equipment too, to at least it's 3rd harmonic etc. The days of hams only thinking about only an HF rig and requiring analysis up to a paltry 200Mhz or so have long since passed, Our scope has changed, and we often require some form of reliable measurements to at least 1Ghz. Our old fashioned and home made measurement kit using old school parts becomes obsolete. We can now obtain some really good stuff like 0-3Ghz attenuators for the cost of a hamburger, so why compete ? For about $50-$100 you can get the precision of good WIDEBAND attenuators that are far superior to a typical and crappy home made type. Whilst I totally support ham spiriy etc there's still sometimes these days when you gotta admit that some battles aint worth fighting. You're bank balance remains higher and your blood pressure remains lower '-) Pragmatism is key here, and we only live once. 73 de Andy |
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