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Re: New FW release: EXTERNAL GAIN restored after restart

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On May 31, 2024 at 12:16 PM, Wander Lucio <wanderlg@...> wrote:

Thank you, Erik. This feature is extremely necessary in my opinion, as the external attenuator becomes a physical part of the tinySA hardware. Having to remember and manually input the attenuator each time is equivalent to recalibrating the tinySA every time it¡¯s used. I haven¡¯t tested the feature yet since I¡¯m currently away, but I¡¯ll give you feedback once I do.

Re: New FW release: EXTERNAL GAIN restored after restart

 

Thank you, Erik. This feature is extremely necessary in my opinion, as the external attenuator becomes a physical part of the tinySA hardware. Having to remember and manually input the attenuator each time is equivalent to recalibrating the tinySA every time it¡¯s used. I haven¡¯t tested the feature yet since I¡¯m currently away, but I¡¯ll give you feedback once I do.
Re: Screen protectors

 

I use a screen protector on the SA Ultra and Tiny VNA. ?It¡¯s what I found at the thrift store for $1. ?Trimmed them down and stuck them on. ?They both work great. ?Just keep them away from the edge of the screen by 1/32¡±. ? There is nothing to touch at the edge anyway. ?I always use the plastic stylus and have no problems at all. ?Very happy I did it and easily replaced. ?
Re: TinySA Ultra Status line on the left of screen shows fgnbs

 

These letters are officially undocumented and can change with any release as their purpose is to help me understand the internal state of the device when someone submits a screen shot.?
Suggest you ignore them
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Re: TinySA Ultra Status line on the left of screen shows fgnbs

 

Tate

Thankyou - But I must be going blind.


Can you be more specific ?-
where the key to the letters forming this display ?is

or paste the relevant section in here ??
Re: Screen protectors

 

I've been buying Tech Armor protectors for older model iPhones. They are cheaper and depending on your device size one protector can be cut for two or three devices. Coincidentally I just put a clear protector on my trusty IC-32AT HT. The "remove this" factory plastic that was on it had been pretty much worn out so I had earlier put a matte screen protector in place. It cut the glare but fuzzed the display too much for my liking. Small display and a dim backlight made it hard to read. So I replaced it with clear a couple of weeks ago and it looks nice. I didn't cut it very accurately so it looks a little weird around the edges but even so the display looks much better than the rest of this beat-up old radio. This is not a touch screen of course and I don't try to read it in my car, but I thought it interesting since this has turned to other ham uses.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 21:15:31 -0500
"Bruce Hawkins via groups.io" <ac6dn@...> wrote:

Hi There.?

?I was wondering about cutting my own screen protectors for a ham radio with a screen I can't read in the sunlight in my car.? I guess I'll find some that are anti reflective.? As that's what I need.? It's an old Kenwood vhf low band with shinny LCD screen.
Can I get a link so I know what you got?
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73

-Jim
NU0C
Re: Screen protectors

Bruce Hawkins
 

Hi There.?

?I was wondering about cutting my own screen protectors for a ham radio with a screen I can't read in the sunlight in my car.? I guess I'll find some that are anti reflective.? As that's what I need.? It's an old Kenwood vhf low band with shinny LCD screen.
Can I get a link so I know what you got?
Regards to my sa.? I just keep mine in a camera bag with my vna. Hopefully they'll stay safe.

Best regards, Bruce Hawkins - AC6DN.? Sent from my Android phone.? And from: ac6dn@...

On May 30, 2024 8:16 PM, m1cxz m0cnl <m1cxz.m0cnl@...> wrote:
Here is the update as promised,
Please note that as this was only a proof of concept, I didn't worry too much about getting the screen protector to exactly the right size. My thinking was that if it wasn't going to work atleast reasonably well, then what's the point of spending too much time getting the exact size. (More about that later).

First I decided to just get the cheapest film type screen protectors that I could find on Amazon with next day delivery. This turned out to be a pack of 3 for the iPad mini 6th generation, costing less than ?4. Looking at sizes, this would mean that I would have 12 attempts to get the size correct and apply without bubbles.
I carefully measured the screen aperture using my vernier calipers, thinking that with my OCD there was no way that I could live with huge gaps. But this was just a test so I can live with gaps for the purposes of testing.

Anyway, Piece cut out very nearly my intended size. Not as close as I would have liked but good enough for the test. Screen cleaned (what I thought was adequately enough), I applied the test protector and got one just one small bubble due to a piece of dust I missed. Good enough for now, but I cannot have a bubble in the final version if this even works at all.

I fired up the tinySA Ultra fully expecting this to be a complete disaster and to my surprise the difference was basically imperseptible to having just the wrinkled default manufacturing protection. If anything, it was better with my bodged up test.

I will add a couple of bad photos at the end.


Spurred on by this success, I decided to do the same to my new NanoVNA-H4. I was a little rushed, so whilst applying the screen protector test piece it slid under the edge of the case by 2-3mm. Rather than take it out and starting again I decided to leave it as it would show me how accurate I needed? to be on size, or if I could removve the case, cut to the full screen size and then fit the case again. This would essentially make the screen protector invisible, if it woked.

As before with the tinySA, the NanoVNA-H4 performed with no perceptible degredation in touch sensitivity. Even more surprisingly the fact that the screen protector was between the screen and the case made no difference at all.

I will add a couple of bad photos of this at the end as well.

My next tests will be cutting the screen protectors to the full size of the screens so that there are no edges visible at all as they will be covered by the case completely.

Appologies for the image quality on these but I don't know if there are file size restrictions on images, but these images show my initial test versions and the fact that all funtions can still be controlled as they can without anything.
I have circled the small dust bubbles and arrows showing where I had obviously slid the screen protector too far to the left and under the case leaving a gap where the arrows are. Also sorry about the glare, but I didn't think about things like that when I took the pictures.
Re: Screen protectors

 

I'm just the opposite, a screen protector is the first thing I add. If you use a quality product the image quality and touch sensitivity are not impacted. Clear is better than matte for image quality, but some prefer matte for glare reduction.
Same here. Many times the screen protector and case are the things that arrive even before the device does.
Re: Screen protectors

 

Here is the update as promised,
Please note that as this was only a proof of concept, I didn't worry too much about getting the screen protector to exactly the right size. My thinking was that if it wasn't going to work atleast reasonably well, then what's the point of spending too much time getting the exact size. (More about that later).

First I decided to just get the cheapest film type screen protectors that I could find on Amazon with next day delivery. This turned out to be a pack of 3 for the iPad mini 6th generation, costing less than ?4. Looking at sizes, this would mean that I would have 12 attempts to get the size correct and apply without bubbles.
I carefully measured the screen aperture using my vernier calipers, thinking that with my OCD there was no way that I could live with huge gaps. But this was just a test so I can live with gaps for the purposes of testing.

Anyway, Piece cut out very nearly my intended size. Not as close as I would have liked but good enough for the test. Screen cleaned (what I thought was adequately enough), I applied the test protector and got one just one small bubble due to a piece of dust I missed. Good enough for now, but I cannot have a bubble in the final version if this even works at all.

I fired up the tinySA Ultra fully expecting this to be a complete disaster and to my surprise the difference was basically imperseptible to having just the wrinkled default manufacturing protection. If anything, it was better with my bodged up test.

I will add a couple of bad photos at the end.


Spurred on by this success, I decided to do the same to my new NanoVNA-H4. I was a little rushed, so whilst applying the screen protector test piece it slid under the edge of the case by 2-3mm. Rather than take it out and starting again I decided to leave it as it would show me how accurate I needed? to be on size, or if I could removve the case, cut to the full screen size and then fit the case again. This would essentially make the screen protector invisible, if it woked.

As before with the tinySA, the NanoVNA-H4 performed with no perceptible degredation in touch sensitivity. Even more surprisingly the fact that the screen protector was between the screen and the case made no difference at all.

I will add a couple of bad photos of this at the end as well.

My next tests will be cutting the screen protectors to the full size of the screens so that there are no edges visible at all as they will be covered by the case completely.

Appologies for the image quality on these but I don't know if there are file size restrictions on images, but these images show my initial test versions and the fact that all funtions can still be controlled as they can without anything.
I have circled the small dust bubbles and arrows showing where I had obviously slid the screen protector too far to the left and under the case leaving a gap where the arrows are. Also sorry about the glare, but I didn't think about things like that when I took the pictures.
Re: Screen protectors

 

Obviously it¡¯s not a screen protector for ¡°in use¡± protection and didn¡¯t mean to imply that it was at all.
However when you think about it. It is still a screen protector, even if the intended purpose is only to protect the screen during manufacture of the device that the screen is going into.?
Re: Screen protectors

 

That would be correct.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 07:17:24 -0700
"Matt Harris via groups.io" <kd4pbs@...> wrote:

I didn't think anyone would consider the thing that comes with it a screen protector that is to be used while operating the device.? I always thought it was just there to protect it from scratches during manufacture, like the stuck on plastic sheet pieces that most electronic devices come with when new.

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73

-Jim
NU0C
Re: Screen protectors

 

I didn't think anyone would consider the thing that comes with it a screen protector that is to be used while operating the device.? I always thought it was just there to protect it from scratches during manufacture, like the stuck on plastic sheet pieces that most electronic devices come with when new.

Then again, to each his own...? I remember a childhood friend, Stanley Hurwitz, whose mother apparently cherished her JC Penny family room and living room furniture so greatly that she encased every square inch of the whole set in custom made protective plastic slip covers.? Whenever one would get up from the furniture, it was a gamble as to whether or not skin would remain stuck to the plastic.? Of course, those hot summers always had us sitting on the floor instead because it just wasn't worth it.? Their home even included a gaudy plastic carpet runner going up the shag carpeted stairs and down the matching main hallway.? We kids always joked with Stan that his mom would encase their whole home in Lucite if she could figure out how.? By our teenage years all the furniture plastic gave the furniture this disgusting yellow hue, and the carpet runners had chipped and turned opaque white, and was quite gooey to the touch.? I imagine the carpet got ruined from the runners worse than it ever would have been from foot traffic.

And my mother-in-law, who left that stuck on plastic sheet attached to all of the stainless steel on her new refrigerator.? Her reasoning was that it would make the refrigerator easier to clean since she only had to clean the plastic.? SMH.? Of course, it looks terrible now, three years later... but hey, at least that stainless steel underneath the film will look great for someone one day when the next people who own it painstakingly remove the deteriorated plastic sheeting that's going to be, by then, stuck on like glue!
Re: Screen protectors

 

I agree, but am buying the cheapest, thinest junk that I can find as a test.
99+% of what I will want to do will be via pc control, so can live with slightly lower sensitivity with one of these screens on. After all they cannot be much worse than the wrinkled screen protector that is already on the devices as standard when they come¡­¡­
if they are then it is only a matter of a couple of pounds to find out.
Which in the scheme of things is nothing when you are paying about ?250 or so for the pair of these devices it¡¯s nothing really.

obviously, I will update you all on my findings after I have completed adding them.

Paul
New FW release: EXTERNAL GAIN restored after restart

 

New FW release
Version V1.4169
Ultra only

Changes:
- EXTERNAL GAIN is now restored after restart, both for SA and SG mode

WARNING: there is only one EXTERNAL GAIN setting, this is used both in SG and SA mode.
WARNING: the restored gain has resolution limited to 0.5 dB

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For more info go to https://tinysa.org/wiki/
Re: TinySA Ultra Status line on the left of screen shows fgnbs

 

That info and more is on the Wiki:



On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 2:05?PM Bruce Akhurst via <bruce=[email protected]> wrote:

Which I'm guessing is the status of various settings but where is the key to the possible ones that can appear here ?

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Thanks !



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Tate Belden

A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.
Re: Gain

 

Wow Erik. Your support of the product never ceases to amaze me.

I wish (Insert name of major T&M manufacturer?here) would address bugs and requests this quickly.

There are Rigol products with a laundry list of known bugs that seem to take forever to get addressed.

73,

Sam


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Re: TinySA Ultra Status line on the left of screen shows fgnbs

 

"? ... where is the key to the possible ones that can appear here ?"

See message, ?/g/tinysa/message/10610? . Erik is the designer of the tinySA Ultra and uses that status information to debug/troubleshoot user issues.? Not for general consumption.

? ?You might contact him privately if you have a compelling need for that information.

Herb
TinySA Ultra Status line on the left of screen shows fgnbs

 

Which I'm guessing is the status of various settings but where is the key to the possible ones that can appear here ?

?

Thanks !
Re: Gain

 

Yes, the behavior related to EXT GAIN requires a bit of polish.
Will be done soon
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Re: #bug_report Maintain external attenuator setting. #bug_report

D T
 

Yes, this is a issue that I am having as well. If it can be fixed, I would purchase more units for the workshop.
I can not trust that the workers will remember to set it each time.

Can this be fixed?

Toby D. N5SIM
FLexRadio Legacy Service Center USA.
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